- Location
- Canada
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Emir Valois
[X] Lilliane Cecille - Intrigue
[X] The Spirits
[X] Lilliane Cecille - Intrigue
[X] The Spirits
I'm a High Fantasy Tax Collector, So What? A CKII Tax Collector Quest
- Thread starter hYGP
- Start date
- Original Fantasy
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- Tags
- death ck2 quest all proceeds go to real spiders are we revolutionaries or reactionaries today criminal justice discussion makes the gm fuzzy don't count your boats before they sail granary management if i lose my meows get me likes to replace them justice spider knock knock it's the finance ministry meows for discussion while supplies last taxation taxes this is not an empire quest
- Location
- Pittsburgh PA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] Emir Valois
[X] Countess Natalia
[X] Vivien
[X] Countess Natalia
[X] Vivien
- Location
- Belgium
[X] Vivien
[X] The Spirits
[X] Lilliane Cecille - Intrigue
I would like to know whether or not Lilliane is to be trusted. Enemies within are just as dangerous as enemies outside if not more.
[X] The Spirits
[X] Lilliane Cecille - Intrigue
I would like to know whether or not Lilliane is to be trusted. Enemies within are just as dangerous as enemies outside if not more.
- Location
- The state of Paranoia
[X] Emir Valois
[X] Countess Natalia
[X] Vivien
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[X] Countess Natalia
[X] Vivien
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I think it has something to do with how his skin is dark and his ears are burned off at the tips. He's a drow, and has had to hide it in order to be respected in society. In comparison with Agueda, who openly parades around the fact that he's a spider (how could he do otherwise, after all?) yet still has managed to make a good name for himself, it's little wonder that Emir might be jealous.
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Gardener of Human Happiness
- Location
- Behind You
Not enough votes for The Learned.
You guys do realize that The Learned will inevitably become the core of the revolutionary leadership in the future, right?
You guys do realize that The Learned will inevitably become the core of the revolutionary leadership in the future, right?
- Location
- New York
[x] Emir Valois
[x] Vivien
[x] The Learned
[x] Vivien
[x] The Learned
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
[X] Vivien
[x] Emir Valois
[X] Lilliane Cecille - Intrigue
[x] Emir Valois
[X] Lilliane Cecille - Intrigue
Solarstream
It's all in the cards
- Location
- Zombie World
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[x] Emir Valois
[x] Vivien
[x] The Learned
[x] Vivien
[x] The Learned
- Location
- Canada
[X] Emir Valois
[X] Vivien
[X] Lilliane Cecille - Intrigue
[X] Vivien
[X] Lilliane Cecille - Intrigue
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It occurs to me that the minister likely wouldn't have asked us to spy on the meeting if she knew what it was about. It is within possibility that she wanted to know that her allies weren't betraying her, but she would want someone less inclined to run to the king in that case. Assuming that she isn't already in on it, then there are two likely outcomes. One, that she puts her coup on hold to fight off the external enemies, or two, she signs up with them. The issue is, that if she has any sense at all, she knows that it takes an extraordinarily charismatic or valuable traitor to not be regarded as a traitor by the people she helped by being a traitor. It might get her foot in the door to be a local advisor when they bring in their own people to run everything, but will also get her on the assassination list of everyone who doesn't like the change in management, when she could potentially get the local advisor gig just by getting out of the way at the right times and that would get her much lower on the assassination lists as mere collaboration instead of full-blown treason. Or loot whatever she can get away with and go someplace else as just another foreigner...
The point being that just because she is unpleasant and disloyal doesn't mean that she has any reason to side with these people. She can't be relied upon the be rational, but the prognosis on "tell a treasonous traitor about a plot against the nation" is not as bad as it might first appear.
The point being that just because she is unpleasant and disloyal doesn't mean that she has any reason to side with these people. She can't be relied upon the be rational, but the prognosis on "tell a treasonous traitor about a plot against the nation" is not as bad as it might first appear.
It isn't. Cecile could be an "Oskaria First" sort of traitor... but we need to actually see if she's actually that. Because distancing herself from the King in a situation where we just learned a possible Polish Partition event is uh... a red flag.
That it most certainly isn't winning is a miffing thing too.
- Location
- New York
In this quest, Agueda frequently has to work with the various social classes of Oskaria to solve the local issues to achieve the goal of collecting the province's taxes and punish tax cheats. Generally I noticed, Agueda prefers to empower the common people or try to better their lives in some way, makes alliances with the merchants, grudgingly works with the nobles which Agueda often regards poorly, and has a very antagonistic relationship with the Church.
Agueda has a direct line to the spirits and the spirits are fickle and conservative but they can be often made into potent allies of convenience. The Church has hindered the party's activities significantly in two of three cases thanks to Rosenberg and the rest of the church is very corrupt. The Church can't stop Agueda from talking to the spirits thankfully but they can sent hostile armies, deny shelter, and back Agueda's foes.
Agueda helped support the new worker cooperatives and notably convinced the merchant guilds to accept them. The merchant guilds were desperate to get the urban poor working again and get the money moving in the economy but Agueda might have convinced the guilds to water the seeds of their own downfall in supporting the cooperatives. It remains to be seen how well the cooperatives run by illiterate workers can work without the aid and money of an economic genius like Agueda helping them. If the workers fall for traps set by the guilds, became dishonest, or mismanage the money in poorly planned economic schemes, the cooperatives will collapse and be discredited. If the worker remains disciplined, honest, are able to wisely reinvent money made in the cooperatives, and use the money to educate themselves and their children, the cooperatives might eventually outcompete the often inefficient merchant guilds and give the urban workers a stronger position in society.
Also, I believe we have a tie in third position for the who to meet vote at this time.
Agueda has a direct line to the spirits and the spirits are fickle and conservative but they can be often made into potent allies of convenience. The Church has hindered the party's activities significantly in two of three cases thanks to Rosenberg and the rest of the church is very corrupt. The Church can't stop Agueda from talking to the spirits thankfully but they can sent hostile armies, deny shelter, and back Agueda's foes.
Agueda helped support the new worker cooperatives and notably convinced the merchant guilds to accept them. The merchant guilds were desperate to get the urban poor working again and get the money moving in the economy but Agueda might have convinced the guilds to water the seeds of their own downfall in supporting the cooperatives. It remains to be seen how well the cooperatives run by illiterate workers can work without the aid and money of an economic genius like Agueda helping them. If the workers fall for traps set by the guilds, became dishonest, or mismanage the money in poorly planned economic schemes, the cooperatives will collapse and be discredited. If the worker remains disciplined, honest, are able to wisely reinvent money made in the cooperatives, and use the money to educate themselves and their children, the cooperatives might eventually outcompete the often inefficient merchant guilds and give the urban workers a stronger position in society.
Also, I believe we have a tie in third position for the who to meet vote at this time.
- Location
- Canada
Assuming you are referring to the option to figure out her politics, it has a 30% chance of succeeding, and could very well tip our hand if things go wrong. And we cannot afford to make an enemy of a minister, or at least, cannot afford to make the antagonism any worse than the low level dislike we already have. If it were a higher chance I'd go for it, but it's too likely to fail.
On the contrary:
With TotT, we have 24 Intrigue and beating a DC29 means it's a coin toss. And again, Prudence softens the blow. It's a `higher chance`, isn't it~
Discussion Policy
- Location
- Somewhere over the rainbow
Hm, third vote's still tied. I'll keep it open a while later, probably until
or thereabouts. In the meanwhile, I might as well openly say this somewhere:
I greatly appreciate, and thus strongly encourage discussion. Some of you may have noticed that I give a lot of Meow ratings - others may have noticed the tag `meows for discussion while supplies last`. I am officially stating it in the thread now: discussion in thread will be rewarded with meow ratings, so long as I still have subscriber privileges. 🐱
If the tie is not resolved by then, well...then I suppose I'll have to let history decide with a roll.
I greatly appreciate, and thus strongly encourage discussion. Some of you may have noticed that I give a lot of Meow ratings - others may have noticed the tag `meows for discussion while supplies last`. I am officially stating it in the thread now: discussion in thread will be rewarded with meow ratings, so long as I still have subscriber privileges. 🐱
If the tie is not resolved by then, well...then I suppose I'll have to let history decide with a roll.
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[X] Emir Valois
[X] Vivien
[X] The Learned
i broke my tie
[X] Vivien
[X] The Learned
i broke my tie
- Location
- Canada
Still quite risky... But a 50/50 shot is a lot better than a 30% shot, and given the shitshow that we just got dropped into we need to know what's going on. The extra percentage does seem to make it actually worth the risk.
The point for some of these risky checks, I think, is that hYGP expects us to in some way fail them.
Prudence mitigates failures, and well- as seen above, I do not think that hYGP would be that much of an adversarial QM to not know what he's doing when he's putting these high DC checks. For some of these, I expect Agueda to "fall forwards".
- Location
- USA
[x] Emir Valois
[x] Vivien
[x] The Learned
With the post crusade war coming, I'm starting to understand why we need our Calamity Frame. I'm waiting for the Isekai to show up. Need to get that new wave Isekai reconstruction
[x] Vivien
[x] The Learned
With the post crusade war coming, I'm starting to understand why we need our Calamity Frame. I'm waiting for the Isekai to show up. Need to get that new wave Isekai reconstruction
I tend to side with the preparation crowd who like to murder risk in its infancy more than the no pain no gain gang, but in this case, it is perhaps more applicable to say that no matter the oddd you win, you still lose everything if you leave your chips on the table. We took a gamble on potatoes, and now have a somewhat grateful Countess who may be inclined to forget about the spider who helped her so long ago, when current matters are so pressing...
