Ironically, Germany uses metric system. But, I think, the issue is that you usually think of distance in km (or, in case of the US, miles), compared to which distance in metres (or feet) would seem small.
I must say, that's one tiny street.
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For a project to reach proposal stage, it already has to be fairly detailed. In case of forestation, the kinds of plants, their positioning, the rate and timing of planting, the cultivation techniques, etc, all could affect the efficiency and total output. I very much want to know the details the devil is in.
And this is important to know before JS incident, because it would, no going around it, result in a lot of damage being done to Earth. And that means rebuilding. And this, in turn, means, a chance to rebuild according to mana engineering principles. Not to mention all the building that's being done on Remnant and is going to be done on this plane.
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I wouldn't be surprised if managing tree dispersal and growth too closely harmed production of the color that least appreciates being managed.
Well, the parks on the MGLN plane had more green than the wilds...
It's a question of scale, really. How much mana are we talking about from the undercity? Is it like, a good land's worth per day? Or like, is it a lot more than that?
A curated forest might provide G or GG, but that might not be enough on its own. A tapped volcano or appropriate magma tap might provide R or RR. If they can set up a system that uses Sidhe's Harvest auto-magically that might itself bring in mana they can't normally access. But again, it's different if we're looking at half a dozen motes vs tens vs hundreds.
A curated forest might provide G or GG, but that might not be enough on its own. A tapped volcano or appropriate magma tap might provide R or RR. If they can set up a system that uses Sidhe's Harvest auto-magically that might itself bring in mana they can't normally access. But again, it's different if we're looking at half a dozen motes vs tens vs hundreds.
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Since we don't plan on spending weeks in those forests on MGLN-Earth to bond with them – how does that help us, or anyone?
Same with Remnant, unless we add forests to lands we already bonded with, the time to bond non-Red lands makes it inprofitable.
It's viable for Magnostadt (and our future city) because their mages can use the mana locally. For us, if we need green mana it's far easier to pick an existing GG or RG land and bond that.
So while I definitely want a copy of the forestation plan and other mana-generation proposals, we can deal with that later.
Jade seems to think it currently isn't worth her time, either.
That's the kind of thing we befriend that forest-mage-girl for.
1) Building the lands according to our / Agneyastra's designs might decrease the time needed to bond with them.
2) There are mana magic users in MGLN, including Nanoha's vampire friend (even if all her magic is internal enhancement, which we can't be sure about)
3) We don't know if their methods are limited to green generation - we need to learn if they are.
4) Even if they are limited to green, learning base principles would still be useful for Agneyastra to infer methods potentially applicable to other colors.
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Oh, the undercity is without a doubt supplying hundreds or thousands of motes per day. A mote is a personal unit of mana production, roughly equivalent to a third/fourth/whatever of an average mage's daily mana reserves. You can't support city of five thousand mages with only a few motes, let alone a city with such mana-exorbitant infrastructure.
Which isn't to say a curated forest would have mana returns anywhere close to that—it's hard to compete with literally tapping the life of hundreds of thousands for power. A few/several motes of Green is a decent ballpark estimate for 3 weeks of effort, unless we decided to really focus on it. Be mind-numbingly boring for Jade to set up, too.
I do think Green mana ramp may be a project worth pursuing... but only later, after JS, with help from the forest girl back on Jade's homeworld. Focusing on it now would cut into far too many other projects.
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I don't believe the undercity is supplying thousands per day. Hundreds would be my upper limit. I don't think the mages of the upper city are directly benefiting, only the city's infrastructure, so to speak.
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I did mention something about the contents of the books being a factor in dictating if it was heaven or hell, yes? Though I probably should have also mentioned "filing system, or lack thereof".
Yeah, it kinda is, when I consider it. Pretty sure I converted about right, though. Unless I'm misremembering, and it is about 100 meters long, and not feet. That seems a bit too long to me, though.
Uh, mate...I'm not sure you entirely thought that statement+the link through. Who are you calling a "prick", exactly?
Also, can I just say, I find the fact that at least half the thread doesn't know the name of a former Quest protagonist both amusing and sad. I mean, yes, it was short-lived, but still. Poor Aria.
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- Maybe, engineered lands bond faster. Since it goes directly against Green traits, I doubt it applies to forests, though.
- Maybe, MGLN-Earth's has Green mages, druids, or dryads. Still wouldn't help Jade, though.
- Maybe, Magnostadt has techniques to generate mana other than Green and Black in relevant amounts.
- Maybe, Agneyastra can apply the same principles to other colors. Since the traits of each color are vastly different, that's pretty unlikely.
Green and Black both are priority 4 and below on our to-do list. Compared to that, I'd rather learn priority 2 Blue spells.
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I'd place several hundred motes per day as the lower bound. It has to be a quantity of mana at least comparable to the daily production of the city's mages, or why bother tapping non-magical citizens at all?
So that the mages are free to do whatever they want with their personal mana and have the illusion (or perhaps even the reality) that the city doesn't put any burden on them.
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Yes, but several hundred motes would be the bare minimum for that to be possible. And Magnostadt does a lot more than the bare minimum.
It's a matter of scale—thousands of mages equals several thousand motes of personal mana production, which means you need at least a sizable fraction of that to make a meaningful contribution. An extra, say, 5% wouldn't be lightening much of a burden.
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Were we ever given an estimate of the mage population size?
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Magnostadt mage population:
A mote compared to the average mage's personal daily reserves:
Marina's estimate applies only to Velgarth mages, but Terry's account is consistent with Magnostadt magicians having comparable reserves, or a little less. 2-4 motes is a decent estimate.
A mote compared to the average mage's personal daily reserves:
Marina's estimate applies only to Velgarth mages, but Terry's account is consistent with Magnostadt magicians having comparable reserves, or a little less. 2-4 motes is a decent estimate.
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The article's joke goes that if people really did go to Hell for some of the things especially-strict religious fundamentalists say they would, there'd be more kind people than judgmental jerks, who'd end up in Heaven instead.
My joke was that if the Internet was Heaven, then the article is right and Heaven does have a bunch of jerks.
Considering how throughly I goofed up on that quest, I am glad people don't know her. I was too obsessed with avoiding QM meddling and forgot rule 0: If something is getting in the way of long-term enjoyment, bugger all that for a lark. It wouldn't have taken huge tweaks to make it playable, if challenging, as a non-MG, and I doubt players would've complained by then.
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[X] Ask for a tutor on a specific subject.
-[X] in 45min together with Sidhe
-[X] Blue spells (priority order: scrying, counterspell, hexproof, sleep, disorient, ice magic, divination)
-[X] in 45min together with Sidhe
-[X] Blue spells (priority order: scrying, counterspell, hexproof, sleep, disorient, ice magic, divination)
Ok. This just means that their geoengineering is all that more impressive, if it was at any point considered a viable alternative to powering their city with humans.
QM Answer Compilation III (Thanks!)
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@Alivaril: There's a few WoG posts I'd like to add to the QM Answer Compilation. Do you mind if I include them in the existing post?
Skills
Character sheet:
Linker Core magic:
Artifice:
Inventory
S-51 Stalker:
MGLN
Agni fire affinity:
Other planes
Magnostadt:
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Neph:
Nanoha:
Ferrets:
Indira:
World building
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Skills
Character sheet:
Linker Core magic:
Artifice:
Inventory
S-51 Stalker:
MGLN
Agni fire affinity:
Other planes
Magnostadt:
XCOM:
Characters
Neph:
Nanoha:
Ferrets:
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Indira:
World building
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Agni empire:
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I mean, you could, or I could just threadmark this one (which I now have). I feel like having them as separate threadmarks may be better; this way, people who've read the last compilation will have an easier time knowing there's a new one.
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I had very high hopes for that quest. "Get green mana and do all of green's classical nonsense while fighting off endless waves of witches and/or deluded magical girls" was a fantastic concept and I was eager to participate in it.
Sadly, in practice the quest was mostly about being emotionally abused and yelled at by absolutely everyone while doing nothing meaningful, which was not particularly fun at all. And as soon as things were going to get good, with Aria going full green and finally getting some agency, quest abandoned. At least it seems like based on Jade's visions Aria is doing everything that I hoped she would do, just offscreen where we never get to be entertained by seeing it. There's some small consolation in that.