fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Don't really see how. If nothing else we could have mined it to bedrock.
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- Thread starter Alivaril
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- fairy tail magi: the labyrinth of magic magic the gathering magical girl lyrical nanoha (magical girl) puella magi madoka magica rwby alternate universe spoilers unreliable narrator earned your happy middle feedback appreciated life slowly gets better metaknowledge is overrated never too much fire setting knowledge not required this can only end well what could possibly go wrong?
- Location
- Germany
Is the worship Sheherazade gathers for fictional deities split among the real ones, or does it dissipate?
We'll find out when we're added to her pantheon...
We uncovered Nanoha's secret to befriending!
45min isn't all that long, especially since arranging a tutor isn't instant. Let's copy their library while we wait for Sidhe and the tutor.
As a reminder, there are several priority 2 Blue spells we want to learn before the JS incident:
ice magic, scrying, divination, hexproof, counterspell, sleep, memory bank
Sidhe's specialty is mind magic, so she would profit from a tutor on non-mental Blue spells as well.
banjo2E
Has left the planet
- Location
- Mafia Town
I think the idea behind Avatar was that it was in the right time period for us to become the Agni but our expected power level would have left the setting still ending up somewhere vaguely canon-like. Having Agneyastra on our side, and considering the local tech and power levels, would have meant nothing posed a challenge or really gained us anything, which is a bit of a waste of a setting slot.
Nixeu
Lord of Madness, Harbinger of Llamas
- Location
- Your nightmares.
I don't think a spy would outright tell us he's able to show up to the meetings. Nor do I think he's actually a spy. But yeah, I suppose we haven't made much effort to hide it, so there's no real need to worry on that score.
Still, I think I'd prefer to learn about Black. Most of the higher level masters of it are kinda prone to being self-centered/world-class threats that we're unlikely to work with. We have multiple potential teachers for other colors, including ones that are likely to be better at many of the things we're asking to learn here. Not a whole lot on the docket for Black, since Acnologia, that psycho running Al-Thaman, and the Force on Remnant's Moon are all kinda...antisocial. And, while it looks like she might be able to use it, it, it's probably not Indira's specialty.
Except it's kinda not? We have at least one person on this plane we plan on allying with who is leagues above any Magnostadt magician in this area. If you're going to learn to work with Rukh, watching a Magi in action is going to be worth significantly more than a regular magician would be.
[X] Visit the library
-[X] Look up traits of colored mana
-[X] Have Agneyastra scan everything
[X] Request tutoring Jade & Sidhe on non-mental Blue spells after her seminar
-[X] counterspell, hexproof, ice magic, scrying
Am definitely a fan of this. Much as I'd like to expand our knowledge of Black, the utility of learning more about these sorts of spells trumps that.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
[X] Visit the library
-[X] Have Agneyastra scan everything
-[x]try to learn any information magic they have.
Best thing to do is learn more how to learn.
-[X] Have Agneyastra scan everything
-[x]try to learn any information magic they have.
Best thing to do is learn more how to learn.
- Location
- florida
[X] Visit the library
-[X] Have Agneyastra scan everything
-[x]try to learn any information magic they have.
I....
They might have a public library. Keep in mind spell books are a military resource.
Edit: also, anybody gonna talk about goi now that they are confirmed?
-[X] Have Agneyastra scan everything
-[x]try to learn any information magic they have.
I....
They might have a public library. Keep in mind spell books are a military resource.
Edit: also, anybody gonna talk about goi now that they are confirmed?
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Weren't they confirmed long ago?
Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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- She/Her
One other nations seem opposed to actually using below the absolute upperest class, and Magnostadt seems uninterested in restricting. Our guide was perfectly happy to explain how the city defenses work, and Sidhe was allowed to just wander into a class and start taking notes.
Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
[X] Ask for a tutor on a specific subject.
-[X] Any of the following:
-[X] Working with Rukh.
-[x] Theory and practice of Mana generation
Fair point about them complaining about generation, and we are going to be on this plane for quite a while so we should be able to bond to a few of its lands.
-[X] Any of the following:
-[X] Working with Rukh.
-[x] Theory and practice of Mana generation
Fair point about them complaining about generation, and we are going to be on this plane for quite a while so we should be able to bond to a few of its lands.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
I thought that we promised to get back to Sigurd soon?
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- He/Him
[X] Ask for a tutor on a specific subject.
-[X] Any of the following:
-[X] Working with Rukh.
-[x] Theory and practice of Mana generation
-[X] Any of the following:
-[X] Working with Rukh.
-[x] Theory and practice of Mana generation
- Location
- Germany
Basically, this. Most lands provide 1-2 motes, whereas lands on the king-seeker plane typically have 2-3, which bonding with the local rukh might double to 4-6.
Since only Magi know how to do that, I sincerely doubt a mage tutor would help, though.
The reason I vote for Blue tutoring?
Rank 0: farsight, reverse, stasis, hexproof, counterspell, blue flight, dimensional hop
undiscovered: divination, scrying, ice magic
All of these are useful, but would take quite some time to learn. A single tutoring session should save us several days of experimentation.
With our low mana control in Green, Black, and White, I doubt we'd get much use out of these colors during the JS incident. Blue gives us far more non-lethal options.
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Torgamous
Aspiring Gynoid
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- She/Her
I'd be surprised if Hexproof and Counterspell actually work on Linker Core magic. They seem to be designed specifically for disrupting mana structures.
Not that learning them isn't valuable, just don't expect them to come up with the Jewel Seeds unless we somehow end up fighting Olivie or Indira.
Nixeu
Lord of Madness, Harbinger of Llamas
- Location
- Your nightmares.
*mild discomfort over use of insults as terminology intensifies*
Some of the limited use of magic is because magicians are relatively rare, and Magnostadt is drawing in large numbers of them, and has been for some time. There just aren't that many of them to go around, and a lot of them aren't very good at it, if they're self-taught. Magnostadt does export graduates, and people do go there to learn, then head home to put their talents to use, but a lot of the magicians who go, stay.
Part of the reason they're letting us look around and answering questions is probably because they at least want our support, if they can't manage to get us enrolled in the school. We're strong enough to pass as a Magi, so we're an incredibly valuable student, even more so as a teacher or alumnus. We can do things they can't, and further their knowledge of magic in ways that the vast majority of people on the plan just can't equal. Basically, they're really trying to get on our good side.
A good enough teacher to observe would probably help immensely, but I doubt they have anyone with both the free time and talent right at the moment. And, really, I'm thinking of watching a Magi or very high-level magician in action, here. They don't exactly grow on trees.
...Actually, I say that, but uh...I think one of the members of Al-Thaman has a spell that could let him do that. Regrow his body via a tree, anyway. And he'd probably count. I mean, it is an extrapolation of a different spell, but it's possible.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
What would hexproof even mean in context of linker magic? Beams are not allowed to hit you?
- Location
- florida
Sorry could you explain that? I thought that is just what they were called.
Stumbled upon where exactly they were confirmed. Thanks, Nixeu!
- Location
- Germany
Less "not allowed to hit you" and more "flow around you".
Even if it turns out that hexproof and counterspell don't work against LC magic, in which case our LC magic can't be countered by Blue mages either, keep in mind that Jewel Seeds are a variant of MTG Hedrons and thus mana magic. Oh, and Alivaril rolled
so they're probably far more powerful compared to canon.
Madou Sutegobana
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- Twin Realms Mandala
We do not currently have any evidence on the existence of intelligent alien life. Nor do we have hard evidence on the existence of any extraterestial life.
Up until fairly recently, we had no evidence on the existence of exoplanets. Not too long ago we had no evidence on the existence of quarks.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Well in case of the aliens every failure to find aliens confirmed the non-existence of a certain type of alien.
- Lack of signals shows the non-existence of aliens sending those types of signals nearby
- Lack of visable mega structures confirms the non-existence of aliens that build visable mega structures within our range of view.
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Agreed, though my desire for learning about Black has more to do with the hints Jade has a secondary affinity for the color. We haven't practiced with it because we have no idea where to start, but she finds it easy and fun to manipulate, unlike Blue and White.
Visiting the library is an excellent idea. Agneyastra likely hasn't had a chance to copy their everything yet, what with their primitive lack of electronic storage.
Less certain on a tutoring session with Sidhe—she may prefer to attend another seminar, and we could get interrupted by politics—but a broad demonstration of spells from a Blue mage would save training time.
A few proposed modifications:
[X] Visit the library
-[X] Have Agneyastra scan everything
-[X] Look up traits of colored mana
-[X] Look up common Black spells
[X] Ask for a tutor on a specific subject.
-[X] in 45min together with Sidhe
-[X] Blue spells (priority order: sleep, disorient, scrying, ice magic, counterspell, hexproof, divination)
--[X] channel Blue while watching/attempting these
-[X] preface with a demonstration of working with rukh, if possible
Reasoning:
- Sleep is the most valuable Blue spell for the JS incident, and demonstrating only requires a willing
victimvolunteer. If need be, we can bribe a student or three. Similar logic with Disorient—a LC mage that can't concentrate is one who can't cast spells. - Hexproof and divination are reach goals; I doubt either would be easy to learn, and who knows if Magnostadt even has divination.
- Every magician can manipulate the Rukh in some capacity. We don't necessarily need anything fancy, only something to get started.
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Jade is red primary and blue secondary. Red is obvious. Blue, note that essentially every secondary skill we demonstrate is focused on gaining or making more efficient use of information (Enhanced Learning, memory banks, etc), and instinctively learning Spellsteal was just disgusting. I don't recall how the other three colors placed during character creation, but in absolute terms we're good at Black because we're a Planeswalker, and in relative terms we're probably better at Black than we are at White or Green because it's the color that is allied with both our primary and secondary. White is enemy-colored with Blue and Green is enemy-colored with Red, while Black doesn't have any obvious obstacles. Also, note that our only interactions with Black so far have been the nasty kinds, including at least one that we know was tainted with some intent that left mental effects behind and that I certainly am not going to trust for how "good" we are with Black. So I'm not sure I'd say that we have a "secondary" affinity, so much as it's totally neutral compared to our other colors.