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- The Outer Plane Of Munchkinry.
We set a system of magic up and then let it cascade into a spell. That tends to sum up all of our spells...Though thinking about it, that could be the problem; It could be that Ethernano just "dopes" something else in itself and then uses that as a spell. Like telekinesis versus bio-electrokinesis even when both systems use your brain. This might need looking into. Though on the other hand, if it is soul based, it might help our mental shields. And wouldn't that just about figure? The punch wizard magic being used for mind magic?The issue is that the methods of spell creation are quite different. While we can, for some reason, replicate Ethernano spells with mana, Ethernano spells are far more...physical, I guess? They've been described as similar to flexing a muscle, whereas mana manipulation is more manipulating the underlying power of the universe, and might be somewhat soul-based, and Linker Core magic is more based in thought (calculations). They have intrinsic differences in function and methodology.
Like a lantern versus a battery? If so then i bet we could get some interesting effects out of making the "light" coming off of it bend at different angles. Maybe we could use Aura as a "lense" if it really is soul magic.Again, mana storage material really isn't the correct word for it, and more applies to Dust and, presumably, lyrium. Ethernano's just sort of a wierd kind of radiation/energy that can be used for magical purposes. The biggest difference is in how it can be perceived by those lacking mana sense, despite not being solid matter in most case.
Well i also wanted to see if we could use Aura to form a spell* so it's not like we would be completely out of our depths if we could do that.And yeah, the difference in function kinda does mean that we'd have to work from quite nearly the ground up to replicate an effect. We'd need to research precisely how to 'flex' our Origin properly to replicate the spell. Because, again, they're very different systems on a really basic level.
*: Not the power source of Semblances. The actual shell of soul that they seem to have. I was thinking that we could use it to make something to fight Grimm and fuel it out of cities worth of people.
Probably something to do with it recoloring excess soul into something mana-ish. And if they use one type of Ethernano to make more of that type then that makes it interestingly similar to the Aura of Remnant; They both seem, from what i have been told, to be made out of imprints of a persons soul layered unto something again and again.I grow more and more confused as to how we can replicate Ethernano effects with mana the more I think about it.
It's the sort of thing that leads you to where you should be going anyway, if you are being logical, but is needed because human brains are somewhat...arbitrary about what it thinks is a good reason for doing things. I can't say, off of the top of my head, what else is used for that, but i am sure that there are other things like it in use.Given that I find applying that to animate systems rather silly (it's pretty much only useful for catharsis and nothing more), I'm sorta bound to have a problem with it.
I think that there are two different conversations going on here; I was talking about how emotions sort of count as a form of mind control even when the "strings" are sort of just dangling in the wind with no one controling them.It's not like I even disagree with Sidhe's decision. It's one she was perfectly allowed to make, and I understand why it might seem appealing. I am on psych meds so that I'm not a manic/depressed jackass, you know. It's just that, well, emotions aren't mind-control. They don't control you unless you let them. Comparing that with someone actually making you a slave to their every whim just kinda makes no sense to me.
And here we go with the "what makes a god" argument all over again. I am somewhat sure that he was talking about earths biosphere. Within which nature becomes a derivative of itself.And nature is still fundamental, because it's NOT the derivative, it's the whole. Nature describes the entire system, not any one part of it. Gravity and time are part of the system, ergo, they are a part of nature.
I actually suspect it to be somewhat like how the Ork WAAAGH works; A second system overlaping with the first, and causing a system to redistribute. With a neurological overlap i would think that there would be some form of probability based control, even if it was something like moving around some bioelectricity to make some parts more likely to fire then others.The more I think about it, the less likely it seems that Blue mind-control actually operates via neurochemical means. I think it's just imposing orders on the mind, maybe purely through conceptual or neurological (controlling what neurons fire) means.
Speeking of which: We should see if we can change a enchantment more easily making one and use the "You are fond of me" suit as testing.
She has a somewhat wonky sense of family; Maybe we could make it something like a "Brother/Sisterhood of something or other" and that would be okay with her?So to me the problem is:
Sidhe literally and clearly just told us she considers us family.
Jade clearly doesn't.
There is no way to resolve that without hurting Sidhe. Or lying to her, which is the same thing.
That's because of Nanohas Nanoha-ness. It's less that it's weird and more that this is the first "normal" one we have given someone.Actually, this is really weird to me. Why is this weird to Jade? Nanoha practically hugs her every chance she gets. Shouldn't Sidhe be well past the point where she has a personal space exception?
Obviously head in lap is an Agneyastra special, but hugging is weird? I'm almost to the point of thinking Jade's under the influence of something.
...That's actually a rather good idea. We could tell her that we don't know that it's like to have a...whatever it is that she wants to be, but that we are willing to figure out what that is like with her.How would she react if we told her that we don't know enough about what it's like to have a family (at least of the sibling variety) to be sure how we feel about her?
So we need to either go "WE'RE DOING IT LIVE!" of find another option. Since we would be trying to pack as many sanity checks into the system as we could either way that feels like a good start.The one who is offering her absolute trust is Sidhe. Jade's role is to be the kind of person that Sidhe can absolutely trust. We just got through dragging out that Sidhe does in fact have that kind of trust in us, which was half of what getting her to tell us the why was all about. But now we find out that Jade isn't ready to be the kind of person that Sidhe thinks Jade is or should be. It has only a little to do with how much Jade trusts Sidhe, and everything to do with whether Jade is worthy of Sidhe's complete faith.
Well yes, but saying something like "I did not think this hugging thing through" might help calm down Sidha if she isn't feeling comfortable about the suddenly-a-hug.actions speak louder than words, and i'm pretty sure Jade not being good at persons is well known by her friends.
Not necessarily. That could have been more about "This is a sad person. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to turn them into a sushi roll and make them feel better". Us not having a first person understanding of what some roles feel like when someone is in them might not have come up.Probably most of it. See: Mitra's little talk with Sidhe and Nanoha.
I think that we were going to get to that at some point but that with all of our advancement going on with that place Timestoped we couldn't have gotten around to it.It's kind of weird Jade brings up Indira like that. If Jade were really interested in the idea of 'blood relation as family', she would have pursued the Branch Agni a lot more determinedly.