That's White and Green use, not channeling, but yes. Channeling the two might give us a caretaking queen persona though. Queen Mama Bear if we add Red.
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That's White and Green use, not channeling, but yes. Channeling the two might give us a caretaking queen persona though. Queen Mama Bear if we add Red.
Demojay
Yes, let's put an end to this
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Her last name is Haizea
Major kudos to you. When Agneyastra 'adopting' us came up I rolled my eyes and resigned myself to that kind of thing coming up yet again and thought that at least this time it was parent instead of sibling which is nearly omnipresent so just hoped it wouldn't affect the story too much.
I see family as something entirely different from friends and thus I don't see the sense in it being an upgrade from best friends so even if in this case I can tell it is not agreeing with that notion just for the fact this is literally the first time I have ever seen a character in fiction give a moment's thought to this topic I must post and greatly congratulate you for this unique accomplishment.
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I was hoping I hadn't called it...
At least one of those comfort defaults should go in whatever vote gets made. It's a good time for them, and for Jade to internalize the responsibility of being to someone else what Agneyastra was to her. Some bleed-through should help.
At least one of those comfort defaults should go in whatever vote gets made. It's a good time for them, and for Jade to internalize the responsibility of being to someone else what Agneyastra was to her. Some bleed-through should help.
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People are different. Backgrounds are different. And now Jade is fretting over her definitions because the are different from Sidhe's.
Probably because Sidhe was clingy earlier. The awkwardness got associated with physical contact.
Alivaril
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Nanoha has successfully gotten Jade to change her opinion on hugs, yes. It's still at the edge of what Jade thinks is OK, even if it is within those boundaries.
For similar actions, it's more due to intent instead of the physical contact itself. Sidhe's clinginess was to comfort herself, so really, it was closer to a hug variant as opposed to something completely different. Something similar, like placing one hand on a shoulder or holding hands? Jade would be fine doing that to comfort other people, but thinks it would feel weird if anyone save for Agneyastra does it to her.
(see also: unreliable narrator)
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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How are we meant to manage Jade's feelings if she won't be honest with us?
That's even worse. Sure, it would be excusable as Jade Doesn't Like Physical Affection, except that Jade is fine expressing that to others? Those two ideas don't go together.
Motile Mollusc
Bitten by a radioactive were-tilde
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] You aren't family to me. Mind you, of my family one tried to kill me and another probably wants to eat my soul. But I can tolerate and even enjoy extended interaction with you without needing to flee to the maddening void between realities. That's almost as good as it gets with me.
And with that, goodnight, folks. Vote well.
] You aren't family to me. Mind you, of my family one tried to kill me and another probably wants to eat my soul. But I can tolerate and even enjoy extended interaction with you without needing to flee to the maddening void between realities. That's almost as good as it gets with me.Meh. I like frequently headpatting some people and hate people touching my head under almost all circumstances. My mother is a partial exception, incidentally.
And with that, goodnight, folks. Vote well.
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If Blue instead of Red, probably a Noblesse Oblige tutor of some variety. About the only color I foresee not easily being hybrid channeled is Black.
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I forgot, how much of Jade's traumatic past does Sidhe know about?
How would she react if we told her that we don't know enough about what it's like to have a family (at least of the sibling variety) to be sure how we feel about her?
How would she react if we told her that we don't know enough about what it's like to have a family (at least of the sibling variety) to be sure how we feel about her?
Very carefully?How are we meant to manage Jade's feelings if she won't be honest with us?
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Can't say I'm entirely surprised that 'love' and 'family' turned out to be hard for Jade, but I was surprised by how hard it locked down the process. Then again, Jade is a loooong way from being fully ready to open up to people.
That is... alarmingly plausible. We know Sidhe denied, point blank, having any same-sex attractions... but then again that very denial may reflect discomfort that could be an underlying part of why she'd decide as you suggest she did.
So... my vote.
[X] Try some other method of comforting Sidhe.
-[X] You're still fuzzy on what it all entails, but you don't intend to let anyone become your retainer if you don't already really like them.
-[X] You already treasure Sidhe, oaths or no oaths. She doesn't need to meet any arbitrary standards.
-[X] You aren't a fight away from leaving her. Period.
[X] Ask Sidhe if she wants Nanoha present for the giving of her oaths. It's entirely up to Sidhe, you just wanted to ask.
[X] If the answer to that is "yes," it's probably best to wait for Nanoha to wake up, then accept Sidhe's oath. If not...
[X] Accept Sidhe's oath.
That is... alarmingly plausible. We know Sidhe denied, point blank, having any same-sex attractions... but then again that very denial may reflect discomfort that could be an underlying part of why she'd decide as you suggest she did.
Oh, the support was nearly unanimous, ti's just that the "accept her oath" train came to a screeching halt at the part where Jade isn't comfortable saying "I love you" to a friend like Sidhe.
So... my vote.
[X] Try some other method of comforting Sidhe.
-[X] You're still fuzzy on what it all entails, but you don't intend to let anyone become your retainer if you don't already really like them.
-[X] You already treasure Sidhe, oaths or no oaths. She doesn't need to meet any arbitrary standards.
-[X] You aren't a fight away from leaving her. Period.
[X] Ask Sidhe if she wants Nanoha present for the giving of her oaths. It's entirely up to Sidhe, you just wanted to ask.
[X] If the answer to that is "yes," it's probably best to wait for Nanoha to wake up, then accept Sidhe's oath. If not...
[X] Accept Sidhe's oath.
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I almost no longer feel comfortable offering retainership. It is premised on an absolute trust. If Jade can't offer that, then she shouldn't accept. I think it would be pretty shitty of her given the thought process she just used. Really wish there had been a veto earlier if this is where we were going.
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[X] Skip ahead to taking Sidhe's oaths. You can try comforting her afterward.
I sort of feel like accepting her oath now would be the most comforting thing we could do for Sidhe... as opposed to what we have been doing, which was more for our own benefit.
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That's the nice thing about a mind-affecting loyalty oath. Once your retainer has made it, you can absolutely trust them. It's the Agni way.
I sort of feel like accepting her oath now would be the most comforting thing we could do for Sidhe... as opposed to what we have been doing, which was more for our own benefit.
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That's the nice thing about a mind-affecting loyalty oath. Once your retainer has made it, you can absolutely trust them. It's the Agni way.
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The retainer-ship is meant to smooth over those last hurdles. This is really important to Sidhe.
That's not what I mean, even without the joke.
The one who is offering her absolute trust is Sidhe. Jade's role is to be the kind of person that Sidhe can absolutely trust. We just got through dragging out that Sidhe does in fact have that kind of trust in us, which was half of what getting her to tell us the why was all about. But now we find out that Jade isn't ready to be the kind of person that Sidhe thinks Jade is or should be. It has only a little to do with how much Jade trusts Sidhe, and everything to do with whether Jade is worthy of Sidhe's complete faith.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Not actually mind affecting. You can still think whatever you want.
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Interesting point.
Have a counterpoint; how would "sorry, you should find a better person to swear absolute loyalty to" be better?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Well Sidhe can trust us who control Jade's actions.
It's not. We basically have to stay the course and slowly turn Jade into the kind of person who deserves her loyalty after the fact. I'm just disappointed, for pretty much the first time ever, in Jade as a person.
Points to the last update.
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Jade's past and current actions and SOP, viewed objectively, are quite enough to compensate for her thought process first thing in the morning not being quite up to standard yet. The issue may stem from seeing Sidhe entirely as a dependent, and there might also be yet another thing Jade wasn't told about her current body.
[X] Relative time-worthiness never was and never will be a factor.
-[x] Accept Sidhe's oath. The responsibility makes you a bit uneasy, but that just means you'll have to be sure to do it right.
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
Some of Jade's problems probably come from her definition of "family". Look at this, for example:
Sidhe probably thinks of the retainer bit as a way to join our family a bit more formally. Which is sort of accurate; when "family" includes people like Indira, you kind of need another category for "people you care about and trust".
I think that Jade's emotional connection Agneyastra is as Mom, not as family. Which Agneyastra immediately reinforced is by bringing up the confidant thing, emphasizing that family has a major royalty component. Whiiiich is probably where that "being a princess is hard" line came from. So Jade's view of family is super screwed up, by our, and more importantly Sidhe's, standards.
Sidhe probably thinks of the retainer bit as a way to join our family a bit more formally. Which is sort of accurate; when "family" includes people like Indira, you kind of need another category for "people you care about and trust".
Yes. I'm half-tempted to think that Agneyastra engineered this somehow, but I just don't see how she could have done it. And we're probably going to have to do it explicitly, just say "I don't deserve this. I'm just going to have to do better."
Some of this is on us; we didn't read Jade's or Sidhe's feelings on this topic right at all.
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A person doesn't want to be comforted by others, what's so unusual about it?
Be honest, then? It's obvious that family for Sidhe doesn't mean the same as it does for Jade. Sidhe knows that Jade has lost quite a lot. Jade won't let herself form an attachment and risk losing more so easily.
Opening up to people isn't easy, you know.
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