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Hope will never die : a Fire Emblem Awakening quest

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I think adding a fourth member to the training group could be a good idea as long as the personality clashes aren't to bad.
Owain is a pretty good swordsman and close friend of Lucina but would probably annoy the other to too much.

Inigo might be a good option since he was mentioned, if he hasn't started flirting to get over his shyness yet so he wouldn't annoy the girls and it would give us more time to reconnect and see what his skills are.

Yarne probably wouldn't like it but it might be a good chance for him to get over battle nerves in a semi safe way.

Nah... I don't know, I could see her maybe being a good addition, give her fighting experience and the others might get more experience fighting dragon/wyvern opponents

I could see Nah and Inigo joining pretty easy but would probably need to convience Yarne.
 
Ah. We might be able to see what Gerome is like when we visit Cherche, but I imagine he might fit well if he's taken to training already.

Owain is not as much of a fool as he acts, so he could surprise us. Could.

I would recommend against Nah, she's just not in a good place for it right now. Maybe in a turn or two we could invite her? We should make sure to keep doing something with her though, she might be getting isolated cause of Robin.

Yarne could use the training probably but, as Nyx just pointed out, you need to convince him it's worth it.

And idk on Inigo, but didn't he archer primarily?
 
There's a write-in for Noire's problem. I'm wondering if talking to Libra might help or having him with us if we talk to Tharja. It might be good idea to talk to Tharja in a nonconfrontationary way. Maybe apologize for not trying to understand what she was doing with Noire in past. Explain we know she cares for her daughter and Lucina does as well. Noire is a friend of ours and talked to us about wanting to learn dark magic for the coming war. In the past Tharja said what she was doing was to prepare Noire for the harsh world. We might be expected to fight in this upcoming war and want to know why Tharja feels Noire shouldn't learn this way to defend herself that she is well suited for. Probably want Noire there so she has a chance to stand up for herself to her mom.

Can't remember what Lucina's Charisma was in the past confrontation between the too but with it at B+ now i feel we have a not bad chance to mediate this somewhat peacefully without going behind Tharja's back
 
Just watched Noire and Tharja's supports from awakening. Tharja confirms Noire has a vast potential for magic but in the A rank support she decides not to teach her the dark arts because Tharja knows of the vast risks of using them and says that the reason her future self probably wouldn't teach her is because the risk and she cared for Noire. Noire seemed to loved Tharja but was unsure if she was cared about in return but the Tharja in the past grew to love Noire so the one who raised her probably does too.

If we could get them to talk and understand each other might be able to get Tharja to teach Noire magic just not dark magic.

Right now I want to try family therapy aka you all care about each other so talk it out. Instead of going behind Tharja's back as that will just make our relationship with her more strained and probably Noire and Tharja's too
 
While true, this quest has, or at least I have, been sticking to what Lucina would do. What information does she reasonably have and how would she interpret it and act upon it.

Macros generally sticks to the spirit of the write-in, but he cuts things out or changes them if Lucina wouldn't reasonably think, feel, or see things that way.

And here Lucina doesn't... well, Henry and Tharja are both Not Safe in their own ways. Henry we can handle really, or so Lucina feels and thinks, but Tharja has already proven to be beyond us. Curses are no joka and I feel Lucina should suspect Tharja might have cursed her considering what happened and the feeling she had afterward.

I'm kind of just trying to get across that there's bad blood there and Lucina doesn't want to confront her at all if she can help it.
 
Ah that's true, I hadn't considered that. You are right about the bad blood between them and how Lucina wouldn't have that insight into how Tharja and Noire feel. Hmm I'm not crazy about the default choices as they are though.

Lucina was what 8 or 9 when she and Tharja had that conversation, that seems petty of Tharja to dislike Lucina for so long because she was concerned about Noire, even if she did suggest Tharja was hurting Noire for no reason. I would like some way for them to not be friends exactly be not actively distrustful and dislike each other. How to do that in character is a bit harder.

Hmm I want to say Lucina might feel the need to be more responsible and get along with the other shepherds better now that she feels she needs she to fill her father's role but that might not work what with Robin being a traitor and Lucina already not trusting Tharja.
 
AzuraNyx said:
that seems petty of Tharja to dislike Lucina for so long because she was concerned about Noire, even if she did suggest Tharja was hurting Noire for no reason.
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Petty would be the wrong word. Dark Magic... how to put it... The way Dark Magic works makes it so that practitioners are more likely to remember grudges, slights, pain they inflict and is inflicted on them, etc. They hurt themselves, hurt their surrounding, or hurt others to power their spells.

There are people that petty and if we stepped on something important enough I could certainly see her holding a grudge. Her trying to protect her daughter, as twisted as the method might have been? I could see it. We stepped between a mother and her daughter after all.

Which is why I'm especially leery of doing so again.

Actually... I can't tell if it's Magic in general she wants to learn or Dark Magic in particular, but it sounds like the latter.

I could see an argument that we could make, maybe not near Noire though:

"She's going to try. She told me she's already learned a couple of spells from the glimpses she saw of your tome. I've learned magic myself, so I know just how good that is. And she knows it too. She's going to try and she's going to try on her own or, worse in so many ways, she's going to ask Henry."

... No, not going to work out really. Too much... stuff there on Lucina's side. She all but watched Noire get tortured, Libra helpless to stop it (unable or unwilling), felt herself become less after the argument (and that's really a connection too easy to make), and just can't do anything about her in general (a helplessness all her own) to end up as anything but upset in confronting her.

It's a Fear, but one that's grounded in "What can I do, what should I do, and what can I do about her specifically?" and just not having an answer.

I... don't think I can agree with Henry teaching her. We're a swordsman first and foremost (or a Ruler first and foremost with Sword! being a close second), our ethics and mindset are grounded in that. I'd be worried about Noire picking up too much of Henry's irreverence from his sociopathy since that would be her primary path. Her mother isn't exactly a great well of ethics and moral fiber, but (again) Lucina knows Tharja cares as twisted as she sees it as being.

So I can't trust Lucina to talk to Tharja without something falling apart on her end and I can't/really don't want to trust Noire to Henry, especially with how little we'll likely be there to learn... *Shrug* I wouldn't know who to ask to help with arguing with Tharja either. Normally I'd go to Libra, but...
 
Dang very good response and very informative. Thanks for such a good reply.

Hmm so if dark magic is so risky is there a chance of persuading Noire to take up regular magic instead? I don't think we are that close with any adult shepherd that's great with magic but Laurent is a magic focus right and his mom is definitely a magic user maybe Noire could study regular magic with him and his mom. Yeah I know you said it seems like Noire wants to learn dark magic but maybe we could persuade her that's not a good idea. Lucina can't have a good opinion of dark magic, right?

If she still wants to do it I feel like Luciana would support her somehow but I don't know which would be the best option.
 
AzuraNyx said:
Lucina can't have a good opinion of dark magic, right?

If she still wants to do it I feel like Luciana would support her somehow but I don't know which would be the best option.
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We can try I suppose. It might do something. Maybe.

Ultimately Noire has even more reason to dislike Dark Magic than Lucina. For Lucina she's informed and used to how it works and can use it herself to a small degree. She dislikes, but understands it's usefulness on an intellectual level.

Noire on the other hand was hurt using Dark Magic by her own mother. She should honestly be rather traumatized by it all. And likely is to a good degree.

Noire's honestly probably got a bit of a twisted mind herself, if in a more benign expression.

Like I said, we can ask, but she very well might not be good with Anima magic the way she is with Dark magic.
 
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Yeah I don't know, I might just hold off on voting on that for now. There probably isn't a perfect solution but I can't think of a good one right now. Looks like there is a couple votes for the Henry option right now though which I guess isn't that bad, in that there is at least adult supervision, even if that adult is Henry.

For the training group I'm leaning towards inviting Owain. He likes to ham it up put I think his skills put him as a pretty competent swordsman so maybe there girls can at least respect him in a spar.
 
Mmm... the Noire situation is delicate, on one hand Noire has need to feel useful, on the other we have reasons for her to not pursue it.

Yeah I'm not sure which way I fall there.

As for turning the trio into a quartet...

Once again Owain is a prime contender because he's skilled with a weapon, but again an annoying fop (I find him charming).

Yarne has the physical characteristics to be good but lacks skill and is also very aware of his own mortality. We could convince him that he needs to learn to fight because he's the last of his kind, that he needs to be able to better defend himself at least. But that might take some doing.

Inigo has shown an interest so would likely be the easiest to get on board, that said we would need to work him a bit to get him up to par with the rest of us.

Nah is... I'm not entirely sure?

Gerome I don't know enough about to have an opinion one way or another.

Cynthia could also work, as was suggested the first time we discussed this. And she is stable now so I can't see it backfiring.

[] Suggest a name
-[] Ask everyone - You honestly don't know. Maybe it's just better to ask everyone and see who's interested.

Or

[] Suggest a name
-[] Approach: Owain

Again my previously stated reasons for him stand.
 
I'm on board with recruiting Nah, so long as we never fight her with Falchion. Ever. Really don't need to discover its Dragonbane quality that way. Personally I think we should ask Cherche to teach draconic warfare to Lucina, Gerome, and Nah together.

Maybe we could ask Maribelle to teach Noire. Assuming she reached Valkyrie she can use staves and tomes. And Noire (alternately very vocal or quiet when sad) might remind her of Lissa when she was young. She would easily slot into the strict teacher role (which Noire might see as the good points of Tharja) without the obssesions/dark urges.
 
Hmm maybe we could suggest Noire comes with us to visit Henry and Maribelle (if she can use tomes) so that Noire can learn more about both types of magic and hopefully make an informed decision on who she wants to teach her. I don't know how busy Maribelle would be, if she would have time for another student but if not maybe another non dark magic user. Lucina seems to somewhat trust Henry but isn't crazy about dark magic and this way we would be giving Noire a choice instead of just telling her what we think would be the best option for her. And her learning on her on from a book we have to steal seems both risky and stupid for a couple reasons.

I'm going to suggest Inigo for team training right now because Severa mentioned he wanted to learn so he shouldn't have much problem joining, good chance to reconnect, I want our friends to have combat skills so if they get caught fighting they don't die, and hey maybe him and Lucina can bond over dancing. She did just get a skill in it... through sword training but still
 
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[X] Suggest a name
-[X] Ask everyone - You honestly don't know. Maybe it's just better to ask everyone and see who's interested.
[x] Suggest Noire to come the next time you go see Henry

Its been long enough I can't say for sure I know how well a given character would fit in. Might as well poll fresh character data.
 
Hmm, things are worsening and the Risen are a big problem. Theoretically all 13 (maybe not Morgan as she is pretty young) could get some training in.
 
[X] Suggest a name
-[X] Ask everyone - You honestly don't know. Maybe it's just better to ask everyone and see who's interested.
[X] Suggest Noire to come the next time you go see Henry

Still iffy on the Noire course of action, but if Noire is set on this she definitely needs a teacher. Even if that teacher is Henry.
 
So far, we have a by default consensus on going to Henry concerning Noire, and a tie between picking Inigo as extra training partner or polling for everyone interested. Small clarification though: since with this last option it is conceivable that you'll end up with more than one volunteer, ending up with a larger group will probably end up with Lucina more concerned on checking how the others are doing instead of focusing on her own progress - which admittedly she can do with her other actions anyway.

You'll also have the option to only pick one of the willing candidates, but that might mean disappointing a few people.

Leaving the votes open for 24h or so. Maybe a bit more, this week might be busier than usual.
 
Quick question, but wasn't there an actual reason that Tharja didn't want to train Noire as a dark mage? I want to say there was, and if that's the case training Noire further in it might hurt Noire. Not to mention that training her in secret, without Tharja's consent is sure to make things even more...difficult regarding her. Remember, for all Tharja isn't a good person, she's not evil either. And she does care for Noire, if by a mentality that isn't entirely healthy, for either of them.
 
Zedman7054 said:
Quick question, but wasn't there an actual reason that Tharja didn't want to train Noire as a dark mage?
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From Tharja herself in her support conversation with Noire: "The dark arts carry with them tremendous risks". My way of showing it in this quest canon has been pretty well summarized by ShadowAngelBeta.

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[Dark Mages] hurt themselves, hurt their surrounding, or hurt others to power their spells.
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Basically, Tharja couldn't resolve herself to put Noire through this (especially since of the three methods available, guess which one she's the most likely to pick?).

EDIT: welcome to the thread, by the way!
 
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