Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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Xiao Yingzi 28 - [HeroForge] [Regimand of Taurus]
Xiao Yingzi 28
[HeroForge]
[Regimand of Taurus]



Regimand of Taurus, a Centurion of the 43rd Legion.

So this is just a random character I made for a fight scene when I couldn't think of anything else to write about. I rather like how heroic he came out to be. His face is really the sort of handsome face you want to punch.

Weirdly, simply because of my name choice for him, he automatically has quite a history. He's a member of the 43rd legion - an original member from before they lost their Legate. This means that he's a body cultivator with a specialty in the clan's formations and discipline in general. That he made it to centurion means that he's good at it and has been at this for a while. Now consider his last name. Taurus is the name of the family that runs Antonius' 96th Legion. Antonius is part Taurus himself from his grandmother's side. His father and his grandfather were also a part of the 43rd Legion and they were there because his grandfather Ambrosius rejected the Taurus legacy in order to create a clan of his own. Technically Antonius is of House Ambrosius though that doesn't come up often. Now, what does that mean for Regimand? House Taurus is notorious for recruiting their family into their own legion even with the mark-up in requisition cost for favoritism. So how did he join another legion, even if that legion had close ties to the 96th? Was he out to create his own legacy the way Ambrosius was? But he kept the Taurus name. Perhaps he's out to prove himself, trying to succeed without house resources. Perhaps he's the black sheep of the Taurus family and they didn't want to recruit him. All sorts of interesting possibilities. I'm going to try and see where I can use him again.
 
I look forward to the wiki. Once it is up creating characters with a very connected backstory just based on their names should become easy.
 
Maria 31 - Seven Conversations
Seven Conversations
Maria Turn 10 Tenth Omake

For the rest of his life, Georgios "Georgy Jr" Angelus would wonder precisely how he ended up stuck with these lunatics. It was a fair question. Compared to his brother Abel, he was the height of sanity. Never asked weird questions about mortals. Didn't try and build bizarre weaponry. Had not *once* ranted about specialization being for insects. His life should have been pretty normal.
And yet. Somehow. He'd ended up there. With those psychos.
The answer, although he would never discover it, was simple.
Seven conversations.
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"Captain."
" 'Conis."
"Need to raise a topic with you."
"Do you, though?"
"Yes."
"Are you sure? Because it might be, and I say this with love, that you are trying to piss me off in the middle of training by bringing me shit."
"Entirely sure, yes."
"Ugh. Fine. What?"
"Need more squad members."
"This is starting to sound like shit."
"We've front-lined two major engagements so far; Shu Cangquiong and the caravan escort."
"So?"
"So you have a habit of throwing us into suicide missions. That we admittedly then survive."
"…Not on purpose."
"That makes it much better."
"Alright, yes, fine. Why add dawnfresh into it?"
"Because I can fix dawnfresh. I can't fix not having enough bodies in a formation."
"…So I have to."
"Not to put too fine a point on it, but yes."
"That means paperwork."
"I daresay you'll cope."
---

"Marcus, a word in your shell-like, when you've a minute."
"Myron. Pleasant surprise. What can I do for you?"
"A bottle of Te Qui La, some orange wine, some limes, and half an hour of uninterrupted peace with a Margarita."
"…And perhaps right afterwards I could try for world peace?"
"I've seen people get booze."
"It's not the booze that's the problem. It's the time. In case you've failed to notice, this war business is something of a long-term project."
"Good thing I have a fallback then."
"I thought you might."
"More troops."
"…Half an hour, you said."
"I'm serious."
"The Legate-"
"Is a career soldier and an honourable servant of the Clan."
"She also hates bringing in new kids. Especially during an engagement. This isn't the Scorpion Road; we don't have time to take the shine off before throwing them in at the deep end. And that's ignoring the trials."
"Marcus. I have a dozen captains operating below capacity, and another dozen running squads too damn small. The only reason it's not impacting efficiency yet is that damn technique palace."

"Gods damnit, fine. I'll put in a bid for more front-liners."
"Thank you."
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"So, joining the Legions at last, hmmm?"
"Yes, Centurion."
"An Angelus, I see."
"Yes, Centurion. My brother is Zeno."
"…Yan's Zeno Angelus."
"What?"
"From the book. 'Passion And War.' Your brother and Yan are in it. Very romantic. Lots of sex."
"WHAT?!"
"Oh yes! Rather good, honestly. Prose is overwrought, in places, and quite frankly there are other words in the dictionary than 'turgid', but-"
"Oh my Gods."
"Bit of a sore subject, is it? Well. I imagine having such a cosmopolitan family made up for it."
"I didn't have a cosmopolitan family, I-"
"Oh, Yan didn't stick around? Gods. No wonder there was never a sequel."
"Centurion-"
"Aaaaah, that's why you're here! Trying to win his approval! Reconnect!!"
"NO! Centurion-"
"Makes sense. Good, warlike young man, awakening the blood of bronze, demonstrating the might of the Optimatoi… good plan, lad. Good plan. I'd want to talk to you again."
"No! I mean – yes, but – "
"No, no. No need to explain. I understand. So. Somewhere dramatic, somewhere dramatic…"
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"The owl."
"Calm down."
"I swear on the grace and light of the IMPERATOR HIMSELF, she will find some awful way to use it."
"You don't know that."
"OH DON'T I!? I have served… Elder Duca… for FIFTEEN YEARS. That is LONG ENOUGH."
"I- alright, yes, perhaps she will do something unconventional, but-"
"She will GRAFT IT TO THE JUNIORS' GUTS, is what she will do. We have to get them out. All of them. Now."
"Well, perhaps not now, but-"
"NOW. RIGHT NOW. What bids do we have?"
"…well, off the top of my head, the Second Scorpions want-"
"Approved."
"You don't even know what they want-"
"APPROVED."
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"Ah! Angelus! Come in."
"Centurion."
"Did some digging for you."
"…Right. Yes. So just to stop you-"
"And I think – THINK – We've got something for you."
"-right but to continue my point I think perhaps I need to make it clear-"
"Now, Yan is of course a well known warrior. Heroic. Same generation as Rina Callista and the Thirteen. You'll need something impressive."
"Centurion I have absolutely NO interest in proving myself to Senior Yan, I have never even met him-"
"THE CAD!"
"NO! I- what?! No!"
"Gods. Well. If you still want to press ahead-"
"MY BROTHER IS NOT YAN'S LOVER!"
"And break ups can be hard, even on family, I know."
"Oh Gods…"
"Now. The Second Scorpions. On the Fearless Line right now. Good batch of fighters. Make a man out of you in no time. What do you think?"
"…If I say yes, can this conversation be over?"
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"Marcus. I don't CARE."
"I am aware of that, Legate, but-"
"No. No, you can't be aware of it. If you were aware of it, I would not be here, just returned from saving another damned city, to see you smiling at me with a sheaf of paper that the Imperator himself has clearly forsaken."
"Of course, Legate, but-"
"NIETHER would you persist in this madness after I have expressed my complete disinterest. You would know better. You would leave me alone."
"Finished?"
"Yes."
"Good. New troop allocations. You can do them or I can hit you with this stick."
"I could kill you by blinking."
"You could. But then you would have to do ALL of the paperwork on your own."

"That was uncalled for."
"I tried the stick and you escalated."
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"Ah… Captain Maria?"
*Fwomp*
"AAAAAAGH!"
"Oh for gods sake, Dawnie. Calm down."
"WHY DID THAT EXPLODE?!"
"Because you distracted me. Training techniques do that. What do you fuckin' want?"
"I… was assigned your unit."
"Really? Fuck. Prove it."
"I have the paperwork here?"
"That'll do. Give it over."

"…Hang on. Angelus?"
"Yes."
"Zeno's kid brother."
"Yes."
"Zeno Angelus… from Three Frogs."
"Oh Gods."
"Am I right?"
"Look. I need to make this very, VERY clear. The book is wrong. Alright?"
"What?"
"No! No WHAT! No WHAT at all! It's bullshit! Every word! Start to finish! At no point did my brother part his dusky buttocks that Yan might show his sweltering passion and sate their towering lust! TOWERING IS A TERRIBLE DESCRIPTOR FOR LUST ANYWAY! ALRIGHT?!"

"I was going to say I know him."
"…What?"
"Your brother. I helped him out with the Gaiarados thing."

"Oh."
"What book are you talking about?"
"It's not-"
"It refers to your brother's dusky buttocks. I have to read it, now. Possibly send passages to him."
"Oh, Gods…"
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Yay, playing with my NPCs again! The (almost completely fictional) romance novel comes from this mission report. @uri 's Yan and @Juugo 's Zeno Angelus have never actually met, as far as I know, and Zeno's definitely married. Happily, too. Georgy himself is @fictionfan 's Abel's brother, who wandered off to join the legions. I decided, since I'm still writing about turn nine, to borrow him (with permission!) and now he's the straight man for Maria's little squad.

Honestly kind of proud of this one. @Humbaba @ReaderOfFate @TehChron , can I have another threadmark please?
 
Abel Angelus 19 - Computer Science Part 2
Computer science part 2
My progress on making a clockwork macro chip has made great strides. I have recreated the memory and the ability for my clockwork model to use an instruction set of punch cards and solve the given mathematical problems as well as display the answer. Basically I have a 16 bit graphing calculator the size of a closet. Unfortunately, I have hit a roadblock. There is only so much energy that can actually be stored in clockwork meaning that my 'computer' can only work through a very thin stack of punch cards before winding down. Currently it is still simpler to just solve the math problems normally then going through all the trouble of making the punch cards and winding up the 'computer'.

I could solve the power problems with qi. Put in an array and some spirit stones and my machine could solve any stack of punch card problems as long as I supply enough qi. I am not going to do that however. Because there already exists a qi powered calculation machine. It is called a cultivator. There is simply no point in wasting spirit stones on a mechanical calculating machine.

And so I go back to Apoikía Bucephalus with it's wide Yomon river this time wiser, more skilled and most ironically much more humble. I have to schedule quite a bit of array work to justify my going there. Cover the walls in defensive arrays and add disease purification arrays to all the latrines. The mountain regions that we have taken from the Battle Blood Cannibal Sect don't need the usual arrays that are required for the desert. No need for heat deflection arrays in this climate. Also thankfully no need to make spirit stone powered water fountains. I honestly hate those things. Using that much qi just to move water around? It makes my gut clench. There has to be a mechanical way to do it. Every time I have to make a spirit stone powered water fountain I can almost feel myself developing a heart demon as my soul cries out in horror against the inefficiency. I can't even talk about it to anyone because everyone just assumes that my objections are based on using so many spirit stones on mortals.

The mountains have a much worse spirit beasts problem than the desert does. This is both because of the higher ambience qi levels, but is also because the Battle Blood Cannibal Sect had very little use for spirit beast cores and therefore were not that diligent in hunting them. But that doesn't really change the nature of the defensive arrays that I put up on the walls. Defenses against cultivators and spirit beasts tend to have quite a bit in common. In general how we have been dealing with spirit beasts so far is streamlining the process for mortals to report spirit beast sightings and putting them up on the contribution board. The detection arrays also help even if they are not as good as I would like. At this point a clan dedicated spirit beast hunter doesn't need to spend any time or effort searching out spirit beasts and can instead go directly from one hunt to the next with no downtime in between.

There are a lot more mortals running around this time then last time I was here. I guess Apoikía is starting to feel safe enough for mortals to come to seek their fortunes. Plenty of them were interested in the money I could throw around to help build a water wheel. Despite my personal misgivings about pure array work I have to admit that compared to a mortal income it pays extremely lavishly. I should think about putting together a dedicated team. All of this hiring and personnel management is starting to seem a bit inefficient.

We construct a water wheel without much problem at all this time. The spinning wheel nicely handles my power problems. With my power problems solved I expanded from a 16 bit machine all the way up to a 64 bit machine. Now that I have figured out the design, scaling up is no trouble at all.

Money is the greatest superpower of cultivation. It sort of surprises me just how few cultivators seem to really take advantage of it. Then again many cultivators only hang out with other cultivators which makes it hard to feel rich. The exceptions tend to be cultivators that come from mortal backgrounds and they usually need to work hard just to keep up with their cultivation. Well I am in the lucky position of being a young master of the Angelus family. Who seem oddly willing to accommodate my hobbies. I keep expecting to get some pushback at some point, but it just doesn't happen. I guess I could have far worse vices than a love of machinery.

Speaking of machinery, I smile looking over my mechanical monstrosity. It consists of 8,000 parts, weighs 8 tons and measures eleven feet long and seven feet high. My feeling of pride and contentment makes my cultivation as enjoyable as a warm shower. I really love second thoughts. No longer does time fly when having fun. I savor every moment of fun. Wish someone had told me about second thoughts when I first got started cultivating. I would have worked much more diligently if I had known it was just the first part that sucked.

Both proud and a little put out it can only manage 594 operations a minute. Mechanical processes just can't go much faster. At least not without an unacceptable amount of wear or possibility of error. I might manage better with more iterations and reconstructions, but I am clearly hitting a point of diminishing returns.

"Do not be too proud of this mechanical monstrosity you have constructed. The ability to calculator pi to 5 trillion digits is insignificant next to the power of qi"

Old pop culture references have done as much to help me develop my path of cultivation as the insights of this world's great sages. Even if Darth Vader was basically wrong. Still now that I have gotten the mechanical base working it is time to start adding qi.

Making an array to send one bit of information just a few feet is not difficult and just adding a few such arrays to my computer allows for far faster calculations than just a physical mechanism could manage. The trick is trying to minimize the qi use of the signals. If the qi use is even close to enough for someone to usefully cultivate with it then it would make more sense for the qi to be used for that. Every drop of qi is rationed like gold.

As I work I keep finding new ways to make said drops smaller so I spend a few contribution points to look the problem up. What is the smallest unit of qi? Apparently there isn't one. Or at least that is the general consensus after more than 5000 years of researching the question. So far every bit of qi no matter how small can be divided further. I don't resist the urge to laugh maniacally on discovering this. Oh the implications and all the ways I can take advantage of this.

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Notice how it's accepted as a matter of course that in any Jingshen/Devil war, the Heavenly Bandit Kingdom would be on our side. I really think that we can skip right past the Intrigue and Diplomacy stages and head right for the Fortify Ally stage of our relationship
Which is apparently a step so obvious that the Jingshen have already planned out contingencies for it

Which given the existence of Nascent Soul relevant cannons, is a bit of an issue. The need for prudence hasnt changed.
 
Which is apparently a step so obvious that the Jingshen have already planned out contingencies for it
Obvious as the move may be, what contingencies do you expect Jingshen to have for it? They slacked off on the defenses on one of their own mines in their own territories. We share an entire border with the Heavenly Bandits.
Moreover, the Spirit Oasis is practically indefensible, and its cession to us is, I suspect, part of a greater Jingshen strategy. The Glorious Sixty-Two (some of our finest and most valorous martial analysts, I might add) concur that the Oasis presented an open way for the Golden Devils to march through and link up with the Heavenly Bandits in any possible Jingshen-Devil War. Ironically, this prospect has been made entirely real by the Seventh Cannibal War, with the Bandit Kingdoms bordering the Golden Devils directly regardless.
Their strategy for dealing with the possibility of us linking up with the Bandits was A) not building a road from the Oasis to their territories and B) giving the Oasis to the Righteous Path so we would refrain from sending our troops through it. Cheap and easy. And now we share an entire border with the Bandits. I wouldn't be surprised if they reached out to us next turn.
Nascent level cannons are really expensive, I'd almost be happy if they spent shots on taking out our rank and file. Their Great Spirit Cannon (And it is hilarious that Jingshen has literal Money Cannons) at Wangshen didn't have enough spirit stones to fire even once. And that was right next to their Bloody Scar Mines. Let me reiterate. Jingshen didn't put enough spirit stones to supply their Great Spirit Cannon in the fortress right next to their spirit stone mines. Do you really think they'd put expensive cannons allllll along the borders of the Heavenly Bandit Kingdoms, stuffed with hoards of expensive spirit stones, ripe for the stealing?

There's a time for carefully making sure all our ducks are in a row, and this isn't it. Each of our Actions is incredibly precious in the middle of this race. Jingshen gets three actions to our two each turn. With it being clear that the Heavenly Bandits would love to have our support, we can easily take the risk of skipping the Diplomacy phase.
 
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With it being clear that the Heavenly Bandits would love to have our support, we can easily take the risk of skipping the Diplomacy phase.
From what, exactly? because Jingshen didnt want us to easily link up with them?
Also, do keep it in mind, that would count as stepping over the line of plausible deniability, the only thing that would save us from the RP calling another crusade on us.
We NEED them to switch sides before, not after we start this shit show otherwise we would be the ones escalating to throwing the first punch (even if we were provoked).
 
Obvious as the move may be, what contingencies do you expect Jingshen to have for it? They slacked off on the defenses on one of their own mines in their own territories. We share an entire border with the Heavenly Bandits.
I didnt predict Old Cannibal having an insane amount of Light Qi ready to hard counter Manuel either, but I was still rightfully cautious

Do you recall your own position during that vote as well?

The difference here is that I'm aware that my own lack of imagination is not authoritative on the limitations of what can be brought to bear against us. It's a good thing the majority of the thread agreed with me then, too.

Why should we bet on Manuel's peers being incompetent when we've had every indication that theyve been preparing for us to move against them for literally centuries?

It makes no sense
 
Jingshen gets three actions to our two each turn.
I don't think that is the case. They only have 2 nascent souls not 3. Also they don't have either the obedient or contrabrution board shinies. I would not be at all surprised if they have to spend 2 thirds of their actions on internal wrangling. Those fort might even have been underfunded not by policy decision, but internal graft.

We went all unity build for a reason.
 
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I don't think that is the case. The only have 2 nascent souls not 3. Also they don't have either the obedient or contrabrution board shinies. I would not be at all surprised if they have to spend 2 thirds of their actions on internal wrangling. Those fort might even have been underfunded not by policy decision, but internal graft.

We went all unity build for a reason.
2 Nascents = 2 actions, plus the Clan Focus action which totals 3.

You might be right that less unity might mean less efficiency resulting in lower actions, but they do have 1 more action that us from having an extra Nascent to spare.
 
From what, exactly? because Jingshen didnt want us to easily link up with them?
Yes. And the fact that they're labeled as Jingshen's Enemy on the map.
I'll accept that we're probably going to end up doing an Intrigue action to make sure next turn, I'm not going to be too unhappy about it.
Also, do keep it in mind, that would count as stepping over the line of plausible deniability, the only thing that would save us from the RP calling another crusade on us.
We NEED them to switch sides before, not after we start this shit show otherwise we would be the ones escalating to throwing the first punch (even if we were provoked).
I'm still dubious of this. I don't think giving/trading stuff to a Sect's rebellious vassals is an act of war, it's a classic Cold War tactic. And if it turns out that Manuel is actually using the opportunity to build literal fortresses in Heavenly Bandit territories, I'll assume he has a fig leaf like he had for the Scorpion Raiders.
I didnt predict Old Cannibal having an insane amount of Light Qi ready to hard counter Manuel either, but I was still rightfully cautious

Do you recall your own position during that vote as well?
Why yes, I do.
It's possibly a two-pronged trap, forcing us to either use Manuel and blind him or spend lots of money on breaking in, but then the only reason he'd warn us would be to make us spend. Otherwise, Manuel would have scryed and gotten blinded.
Yes, there's absolutely something going on there. Old Cannibal has been fighting tooth and nail to keep our spies out. Manuel investigating or spending 11 to check out the most heavily-defended city is a good idea. I just don't think it's worth missing out on this deal to do both.
I also would have been perfectly happy spending a Clan Focus on Intrigue instead of blowing our shot at a fixed technique palace. Which we'll now have to save up to 80 Wealth for. I didn't want to spend both the money and the action. We were specifically expecting something in Fu Tong to blind Manuel, and the other side of the forked trap was to make us spend lots of money. You just chose to get hit by the 'spend money' prong.
The difference here is that I'm aware that my own lack of imagination is not authoritative on the limitations of what can be brought to bear against us. It's a good thing the majority of the thread agreed with me then, too.

Why should we bet on Manuel's peers being incompetent when we've had every indication that theyve been preparing for us to move against them for literally centuries?

It makes no sense
Alright. I'll accept that we should do an Intrigue action next turn, but I'm still gonna hold out that we can skip a Diplomacy action.

I'm still sure that us getting a full border with the Heavenly Bandits is not something Jingshen has good defenses against. Simply too big. Too much to have good fortifications against. Too much to keep us out of. I would have guessed that their defenses would be to bunker down in their core territories and set defenses along the roads, but they're already slacking off really hard militarily.
I don't think that is the case. The only have 2 nascent souls not 3. Also they don't have either the obedient or contrabrution board shinies. I would not be at all surprised if they have to spend 2 thirds of their actions on internal wrangling. Those fort might even have been underfunded not by policy decision, but internal graft.

We went all unity build for a reason.
Spiritual Treasure (Contribution Points Board) - A magical Contribution Points Board that ensures each member of the Clan/Sect can offer missions, sell goods, buy good, and complete missions in return for points. It automatically allocates these, ensuring fairness. This makes your disciplines more likely to complete missions and obey your will.
I've already been ninja'd on the Nascent action inequality, someone's already beaten me to the punch. But here's the text on the Contribution Points Board.

It might be internal corruption that gutted their fortresses, yeah. Still, the farther they are from the core territories, the more they'd think they could get away with. I don't expect their forts in the Heavenly Bandit Kingdoms to be better.
 
Maria 32 - These Boots Are Made For Knockin'
These Boots Are Made For Knockin'
Maria Turn 10 Eleventh Omake

Cecilia and Priscian looked up as Georgy entered, immediately separating. He despaired. These two… These two broke his heart some days. Supposedly his seniors. More accurately, the idiots he was now a part of herding.
"Alright, Dawnie!" said Cecilia, with false cheer. "Looking good! Lose weight?"
"What is it," he asked, voice flat.
"What's… what? Don't know what you're talking about. Priscian, do you know what he's talking about?"
"NO IT'S ALL NORMAL HERE."

…If he tried very hard, he might manage not to facepalm.
"That would almost have worked," said Georgy, calmly, "if you didn't actually shout that, Pris. Or stare directly over my shoulder. Or visibly sweat."
"I – DON'T – KNOW – WHAT – YOU'RE – TALKING – ABOUT!"
Cecilia winced.
"He's… very honest," she said.
"I'm getting that. What is it?"

The two looked at each other. Then back at Georgy.
"Promise you won't tell anyone?"
"No. Tell me anyway."
"That's not-"
"Cecilia."
"UGH. Fine. Have you noticed anything… different about the sergeant, lately?"
"No," said Georgy. "I've only been a part of the squad for a month."
Priscian leaned forward, conspiratorially.
"He's changed," he whispered. "A lot. He's been…"
Both of them looked around to ensure they wouldn't be overheard."
"Happy."

Georgy's brow furrowed. He'd not known sergeant Kalokagathos for very long, but of all the words he would have used to describe the man, "happy" was not one of them. "Stern", possibly. Or "harsh." Possibly even "nigh-on sociopathic in his commitment to torturing me, Georgy, personally with excessive training regimes."
"Happy."
"Yeah. Come on. Last night after group cultivation, he almost smiled. SMILED, Georgy."
"And formation practice, too," added Cecilia. "When we fucked up Two-Headed Eagle, he only screamed at us for five minutes. That's NOTHING."
"He even," said Priscian, "stopped for breath. Twice."

"And you feel," said Georgy, slowly, "that that is grounds for comment."
"If not concern."
"In fact, probably concern."
"Yeah."
"…What the hell have I gotten myself into."
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Maria stirred her noodles a few times with her chopsticks and considered.
"…No."
Letha nodded sharply.
"Yes."
"Can't be true."
"It very much can."
"I won't hear of it, Letha. It's madness."
"Perhaps, but it's accurate madness. Look."

Slowly, and with great care, Letha reached across the table. In her hands were two slices of bread. She positioned them carefully, then lifted some of the noodles out of Maria's soup, shook them to drain them, and placed them on one of the slices of bread. She put the other one on top…
And picked the whole thing up.
"Noodle sandwich."
"Deviance," growled Maria. "Deviance and filth."
"Extra carbs in an EASILY transportable package. This is the future."
"Damn the future. And damn you, those were my noodles."

Letha took a happy bite of the sandwich.
"In any case," she said, mouth still full, "you're right. Your sergeant is behaving oddly."
" 'S what I thought. Squad's noticed already. He's been in far too good a mood."
"Well, I can't tell you precisely what it is that's going on, but he is going for a lot of walks."

Maria considered that for a long moment.
"Walks."
"Yes. Usually between shift changes. And… well. There is consistent overlap with someone else."
"Who?"
Letha didn't reply out loud. She did, however, briefly dip her finger in her own noodle soup, and idly sketched the table.
A sword, and a sun half-way over the horizon.
"…Shit."
"Yes."

Maria's brain worked furiously. Gods damnit, of course. Of course he'd do this. Draconis was a proud man with a long memory. He and Lan Hua had only just started their duel when she'd broken it up before they got to the Line. And now… now he had a chance to finish it. She was lucky he'd waited as long as he had.
"SHIT," she snapped, struggling to keep her voice down. The idiot. The IDIOT. Alright. This needed handling. "Alright. When?"
"Every fourth day. There's a woodshed for storage by the southern wall. Midnight."
"Well, I best intervene, then."
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There was the slightest of sounds, but it was all Liming needed. She had long wandered in darkness, and her hearing was sharp as the blade she drew. Her pursuer would learn, alright, and learn well – none followed the lady of the dawn unannounced and lived.
She dove forward in furious, silent assault-
And stopped when her blade clashed with a spearhead. A pale, one-eyed face glared at her.

"Liming?"
"Maria?"
"What the FUCK are you doing here?"
"I could ask you the same question! What-"

There was another crunch in the distance. Both looked up. One of the interior patrol. They sheathed their weapons hastily and drew back.
"I asked first," growled the demon. Liming fought down a roll of her eyes.
"I am pursuing my foolish disciple. In aid, I might add, of you."
"What?"
"Lan Hua. Idiot that she is, I have discovered she still bears a thirst for just vengeance upon your sergeant. To give in to that thirst, however, would damage coalition relations, and worse, it would dishonour the great and honourable Divine Sabre Palace."

Maria's glare intensified.
"Do you see this? This is me not mentioning the Jin Empire."
"Hush, cur, lest my temper outweigh my sense. Now why-"
"Draconis," came the terse reply. "Fucker's doing the same damn thing. They must have been preparing for this."
"A duel," Liming murmured. "Of course. They are not stupid. Do it quietly, somewhere deniable-"
"Minimize possibility of backlash. Whichever one lost… well. It's the Line. Someone must have got them from the other side."

The two stared at each other.
"My suggestion is this. We set aside our sect and clan, for a moment, and serve the greater good. I shall take Lan Hua back, and you shall do the same to Draconis. We shall beat sense into their heads, and then never speak of this again."
"Yeah. Yeah. Smart. Come on."

The two turned away from each other, and slipped deeper and deeper into the night. The tension stretched out with each step. They could not brook discovery – the consequences could be terrible – but neither could they allow sloth to dog their steps. Too easily would that leave their errant juniors to their own, murderous, devices.
Then, at last, they came upon the woodshed. But, OH, CALAMITY! From within, the sounds of brutal conflict already emerged! The hard thud of flesh on flesh! The grunts and gasps of violence, kept as close to silence as possible! They had already begun!
There was no time to lose.

"Quick," snapped Liming. "Go for the door."
Maria didn't. She had frozen, her one eye locked on the woodshed.
"Maria, for the sake of honour, we have to go, now."
"…No way."
"They have BEGUN, you fool!"
"No way in hell-"

Liming lost patience. There wasn't time for this. If the foolish Devil would lose her nerve, than the Sabre would save them both. She sprinted across the distance, locked her hands upon the door, and flung it open.
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For the rest of his life, Draconis would remember this as the worst, most embarrassing, painful moment he had ever experienced. And it had been so good right up to when it wasn't! He'd had his love's strong, powerful arms twined around his shoulders, her legs encircling his hips, and her teeth buried in his neck. All had been silken skin and whispered passion.

And then Liming had shown up. And not in the way he'd secretly fantasised about, either. No, she had flung open the door, sword half-drawn, with a righteous condemnation on her lips that had frozen the instant she'd seen what was going on. Lan Hua had flung herself off him like a scalded cat, but that didn't actually help much because they'd been pressed against the woodshed wall, so all she actually did was flail at him and manage to hit him in a very, very delicate spot. Then, as the pain ran through him, dragging him into a bow-legged, curling bow, Maria had shown up.
And stared.
And pointed.
And laughed.

"Captain," he wheezed, "if I could please explain-"
"I can't believe this," she gasped. "I can't. You… hah… you and Lan Hua-"
At the mention of her name, his paramour snapped out of her horrified silence. "Senior!"
"I have gone mad," said Liming. "I have gone completely and utterly mad."
"Senior, please, I-"
"This is the only explanation I can see. Otherwise, I have discovered a proud daughter of the Righteous Path… and a Golden Devil…"

Liming visibly grasped for the right words. The captain, proving herself to be the kind of person who put out fires by flinging wine on them and laughing, offered up a few options.
"Fucking? Riding? Shagging? Having it away? Dropping the donkey down the shafts?"
"Oh my Gods," whispered Lan Hua, covering her face in horror.
"Not the first time you said that this evening, is it?"

"MARIA!" Liming's face seemed on the verge of turning inside out. At that, the captain seemed to calm down.
"Oh, relax, will you? This is good."
"…HOW?! How is this good? By what metric-"
"They're not trying to KILL each other, you fool. Come on. Put your big girl pants back on. The grudge is, very clearly, over. Yeah?"
"…Yes, but-"
"And this is thoroughly unlikely to ruin coalition relations, because neither of them are going to tell anyone."
"But-"
"Trust me. They won't. I mean, would you?"
Liming's face stilled.
"…No," she said slowly. "No, I wouldn't."
"Right. So as long as they're being careful – Oy. You two. You being safe?"
Draconis felt his brain disintegrate at the thought of having to answer this question to his Captain of all people. Lan Hua, however, saved him.
"I have a pot of Maiden's Decorum brewing in my room," she muttered, avoiding Maria's eyes. "And Draconis is wearing a sheathe."
"Grand. So we're unlikely to have a little witness along in nine months to fuck everything up. All they have to do is keep their mouths shut and be better about not getting distracted, and we're golden."
Liming was clearly still chewing over this for a moment.
"…We should perhaps put a stop to this?"

"No!" snapped Draconis, echoed (to his deep and abiding relief) by Lan Hua.
"Senior, I- He is honourable in his heart," said the love of his life.
"I will not leave her," he growled.
She put her hand on his back. He tried not to blush. It was a good moment.

Maria immediately ruined it.
"He's that good?"
"CAPTAIN!"
"What, it's a fair question! She's risking being expelled from her sect over you, 'Conis! And you're not that impressive from this angle."
He felt the world die by inches.
"He- it's cold," muttered Lan Hua rebelliously. The inches became feet.

"Not that cold. Still, besides the point. We try and force them apart, Liming, and they'll only fight us on it. Best we just… let it stay private. Alright? And the two of them swear not to be so stupid again."
"I swear," said Draconis.
"As do I," echoed Lan Hua.
Liming considered. Then, slowly, she nodded.
"You are wise, for a devil."
"Wiser than you can imagine. Let's go get drunk."
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The idea for this showed up while I was writing First Assignment. It's actually kind of sad considering what happens later in turn nine and at the start of turn ten. Still, maybe you laughed! @Humbaba @Alectai @Kaboomatic , may I have a threadmark please?
 
Sort of wonder if Old Jinshen even knows just how understrength those forts were. I think he has a dao of money? Would he be able to sense corruption?
 
I also would have been perfectly happy spending a Clan Focus on Intrigue instead of blowing our shot at a fixed technique palace. Which we'll now have to save up to 80 Wealth for. I didn't want to spend both the money and the action. We were specifically expecting something in Fu Tong to blind Manuel, and the other side of the forked trap was to make us spend lots of money. You just chose to get hit by the 'spend money' prong.
And you're saying I wasnt vindicated?

I just want to clarify that before continuing to respond to your other points.
 
And you're saying I wasnt vindicated?

I just want to clarify that before continuing to respond to your other points.
It worked. We went for the safe bet. Whether or not we'd have been better off putting either Manuel or the Clan on it and getting the Technique Palace instead of the eye array would have depended on the rolls.

This does not mean that taking full precautions, taking the safe bet every time is the correct mode of operations. When we're in a race against time, when every action counts and the opponent has more actions than we have, it is not the correct time to spend maximum actions on eliminating risk.
 
It worked. We went for the safe bet. Whether or not we'd have been better off putting either Manuel or the Clan on it and getting the Technique Palace instead of the eye array would have depended on the rolls.
So to confirm, you're saying I wasn't?

I just want to clarify this, because loading your response with so many conditionals isnt making it any more clear for me to get

Sorry, but I'll need you to bear with me and go with a simple yes or no before I can continue
 
So to confirm, you're saying I wasn't?

I just want to clarify this, because loading your response with so many conditionals isnt making it any more clear for me to get

Sorry, but I'll need you to bear with me and go with a simple yes or no before I can continue
Can't give you a clear answer, guv. We got victory against the Cannibals and no Technique Palace. Whether that's vindication or not is up to how anyone weighs that. I think we could have arranged things so we got both, but it would have been riskier.

That's the thing about safe bets. If we spent an Intrigue action on the vassals, then a Diplomacy action on the vassals, then a Fortify action on the vassals, we would be assured that it would work well and wouldn't backfire. We'd have all the proper preparation, all our ducks lined up. And then, because we focused on safety and didn't skimp on actions, we'd simply lose the race because two of the three actions didn't impede Jingshen's wealth generation, and while we were working on carefully making sure everything would go well, they were spending their three actions per turn on winning the race.

It's not assuming incompetence to think that Jingshen would focus on winning instead of keeping their vassals from us. For all I think it would be a grievous blow to Jingshen to flip them, I don't think it'll be enough to win.

We're back to risk assessment. With no ability to see what the scoreboard says, we don't know how many actions Jingshen are away from winning the game. I'm worried that they're 1-2 turns away if they put all their actions into it, which means that I don't think that we can afford to take our time to be conscientious. I assume you don't think the clock can be that close.
 
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I mean, if you can't say yes or no it kinda means you dont know what you define as success in the first place.
It wasn't obvious that you being vindicated was the same thing as your plan being successful. It was obviously successful, but I would have taken a claim that you were vindicated as a claim that your plan was optimal (or at a minimum, more nearly optimal than everyone else's.) Which is a much higher standard than simple success.
 
It wasn't obvious that you being vindicated was the same thing as your plan being successful.
I'm not taking issue with that distinction

Being vindicated or not refers to whether or not the result was worth the investment in the service of what olivebirdy sees as goals with pursuing

If they dont have an answer for that, it's because they dont have an assigned value or sense of priorities whereby the result of that plan can be measured against.

So either olivebirdy doesnt have such goals or they dont really have an idea of what those goals are worth. Which means theres no way to argue opportunity cost with them, as they dont know how anything measures up to what they want themselves

You can't reach common ground if one side of the argument has no idea where they're standing in the first place, you know? I've had enough arguments with them to know when I'm being lead around in a stalling attempt by now and that sense of pattern recognition is what lead to my asking them three times for even that vague determination of value.

Trust me, the second olivebirdy gave me either a yes or no I wouldve moved on to their strawmans regarding my sense of strategic priorities and overall engagement preferences.

But as things stand, theres no point when their position is as vaguely amorphous as it currently is.
 
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Why are we even planning to go to war with jingsan and flip their vassels, I mean what do we even get from such an action? More land? Hurting jingsan? I dont see much more to be gained for us.

And their are pretty severe drawbacks for such a course of action, burning the good will we earned with the rightius path, destructing us form our other enemy's -in particular old canibal- and drags us to another war were we risk Manuel in a necsent brawl.

Al for something we dont really need to do, or win condition for jingsan is rasing and sustaining a second necsent, we already have the ability to sustain them now we only need to raise one, we should focus our actions on that not on trying to flip vassels for minmal gain.
 
Why are we even planning to go to war with jingsan and flip their vassels, I mean what do we even get from such an action? More land? Hurting jingsan? I dont see much more to be gained for us.
I mean, unless we join the Righteous gravy train, theres gonna inevitably be another extermination expedition prepared against us for some perceived slight like there was when the Righteous path drove us into the desert in the first place.

Controlling the desert gives us a monopoly on a vital resource for the region at large and also will give us enough wealth to afford enough Nascents to resist or even repel such an invasion.

I, for one, am negatively interested in joining the Righteous Path and entering a stagnation of our position with the rest of the region so conquering the desert is our only viable route long term.

As far as interfering with the Jingshen right this second?

If we dont slow down their accumulation of wealth enough to buy us time to raise up a second Nascent Soul, the Jingshen will come for us instead.

Whether you envision exterminating the Jingshen or not, confrontation with them is in the short term a necessity for survival. Discussing a detente can come afterwards (though I wont support it)

we already have the ability to sustain them now we only need to raise one, we should focus our actions on that not on trying to flip vassels for minmal gain.
And how would "raising up" take place? Manuel's training actions already wont have any real impact on improving our current candidates odds of breaking through successfully. Does another method exist?
 
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