Hmmph... this junior is a good seed [Cultivation Management Quest]

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If we don't kill Jingshen, then Jingshen will kill us. That's basically it.
But that's not strictly true for the moment, so long as we get a second nacesent before -or right after- they get a third, they wont start shit because they aren't sure that they'll win and old jingsan is a coward.

Now in the long term we probebly will be inveading them but I dont think we gain enough out of doing it now instead of trying to imped the progress of our other enemys.


mean, unless we join the Righteous gravy train, theres gonna inevitably be another extermination expedition prepared against us for some perceived slight like there was when the Righteous path drove us into the desert in the first place.
Probebly but not for a long time, first of all so long as the ninth demon anhaletion war is still ongoing trying to invade us is folly, second even after the end of the war it will take time for the rightius sects to recover and so long as we paly along with "turning rightius" -irlevent if we actually mean to or not- we will buy time before they will try and coalition us.

On the other hand inveading jingsan is more libel to bring the rightius path on our heads now.

Also I dont think thy are that close to thier third nacesent.
 
Probebly but not for a long time, first of all so long as the ninth demon anhaletion war is still ongoing trying to invade us is folly, second even after the end of the war it will take time for the rightius sects to recover and so long as we paly along with "turning rightius" -irlevent if we actually mean to or not- we will buy time before they will try and coalition us.

On the other hand inveading jingsan is more libel to bring the rightius path on our heads now.
I mean....

  1. Not planning to invade, rather planning to force them to strike first by impoverishing them.
  2. The Righteous Path are currently exhausting themselves against the Noble Devil Alliance while Old Cannibal selectively weakens the Verdant South for his own schemes
So yeah so long as we get this done quickly, then we'll be fine.

And even if you're fine with kicking the can of the Righteous Path oppressing us down the road, you know what?

I'm not.
 
Not planning to invade, rather planning to force them to strike first by impoverishing them.
1. The planing I saw talked about fliping thier vassels, a thing that by most would be taken as a war provacetion, we might have gotten away with it if we were rightius but were demonic so nobody really care about what we think and all they'll see is rigitus vs demonic.
2. Letting old canibal just do whatever he wants in the verdent south is a recepie for disaster.

As to the fact that you dont want to kick the can down the road... Well I cant actualy say much about it, more then arguing that you shouldn't let felling get in the way of geopolitics.
 
But that's not strictly true for the moment, so long as we get a second nacesent before -or right after- they get a third, they wont start shit because they aren't sure that they'll win and old jingsan is a coward.

Now in the long term we probebly will be inveading them but I dont think we gain enough out of doing it now instead of trying to imped the progress of our other enemys.
You think the Old Cannibal won't make a deal with Jingshen to screw us over? Three NS isn't their only winning move, only their most preferred one. They just need us distracted long enough to fuck us over.
 
Immediately going to all out war with Jingshen right after the trials is a mistake imo. On turn 11 we should rebuild the Flood Dragons(since they can help us in a peripheral sense, stopping any potential skullduggery on Jingshen's part), then on turn 12 we should go to war with them and purchase something to restore our numbers. After all the wealth we stole this turn, we can afford to wait 11 out.
 
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Ninth Prince 13 - Conflicts and Captivity
Ninth Prince

Conflict and Captivity


The Ninth Prince was fucked.

He was so fucking fucked it wasn't even funny.

The magnitude of his fuckening was so high it pierced straight through the heavens and came out the other side before wrapping back around to do it again, a metaphorical ouroborous of fuckitude.

The reason for his current fuckitude?

The nine Noble Devil Alliance Chosen currently surrounding him, each one wielding a needle as big as they were, who had initially gone down like sacks of grain as the Ninth Prince pummeled them into the ground.

(The Ninth Prince did have to give them credit, they were obviously quite a talented bunch, and if they'd played their cards right, kept on working together, they could be the next big thing to come out of this 'Noble Demon Alliance'. Didn't stop him from preying on their surprise and disbelief that the Ninth Prince would just jump in and attack them though.)

Of course, this was only initially.

After the shock had worn off, they'd quickly picked themselves up, and once their little group had started working in concert, well, it was probably going to be easier to monologue about with a well timed flashback.

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The Ninth Prince was actually feeling pretty confident, all things considered.

Sure, there were nine obviously special foundation establishment cultivators surrounding him, all at his level, and all bearing obviously special treasures.

Sure, they seemed like trained combatants and could probably give him a run for his money all at once.

And sure, they all had their own secret arts and legacies, and were all probably some of the best of the best in terms of talent and drive in their respective sects and clans.

But he was the
Ninth Prince.

And really, wasn't that all that needed to be said?

With a pulse of Qi, the phantom of an enormous snake-headed battlegod appeared before him, sending down enormous javelins of metal and poison, though ones that speared the Ninth Prince instead of his enemies.

The minute these ten javelins touched his body, the Ninth Prince erupted in a glow of grey and green light, before that light coalesced into winding tattoos curling all across his body.

Taking advantage of the chosen being forced back by their fear of his sheer power, the Ninth Prince rushed at the nearest one, spear in hand.

The tall, thin Heavenly Time Shatter Sect member frantically yanked out an hourglass, which exploded in a shower of sand and glass, each fragmented particle carrying a single instant of the Dao of Time.

The sand and glass swirled around the Ninth Prince like a desert storm, each piece of dust and dirt working its will on the Ninth Prince, transferring every instant and moment bound into those particles into the body of the Ninth Prince.

It was an attack that would age any cultivator by five hundred years, flesh turning into dust, blood leaking away and being absorbed into the earth, and bone being dispersed across the entire Third Sea.

But the Ninth Prince's flesh was Venomsteel, a Qi metal and thus one that never corroded, never dulled by the sands of time. His blood was pure venom, firmly linked to his soul, and would stay in its container for an eternity. And his bones were pure trial iron, a material which had stood unbroken and unbowed since the invasion of the Sea Conquering Army, and certainly would not fall to a paltry Foundation Building time attack.

The sand and glass fell inert to the ground, and as the lanky youth smirked at his 'victory', the Ninth Prince emerged from the dust cloud, unbloodied and unharmed, surging forward to plant his spear straight through the Demonic Chosen's chest.

Cursing under his breath, the Chosen in question performed a two handed incantation gesture, spat out a puff of blood, and summoned a ghostly yellow clock shield, utterly unbreakable to those on his level.

The Ninth Prince broke straight through the clock, shattering it into so many fragments.

Unfortunately, this gave the Chosen
just enough time to barely dodge out of the way, blinking out of existence and reappearing where he'd be a millisecond into the future.

Dammit.

Ah, well, the Ninth Prince had a wealth of targets to choose from. His next object of attack was the Gao Clan Chosen, seeing as their poison had no hope of even hurting him.

The Ninth Prince sprinted forward, to the muscular Gao Clan Chosen, who paled in fear as she saw that she was next in the Ninth Prince's line of sight.

Having actually
read the dossier about the various Chosen on the other side of the war, she ignored the wealth of actual poisons on her person, instead grabbing an enormous silver needle, wounding herself and smearing a paste containing a cocktail of combat drugs on her injury, a cocktail that caused her muscles to bulge and contort violently, making her look like more of an Oni than a human.

Pulling out an enormous studded club, the Gao Chosen
roared as her veins were turned a bright blood red, eyes bloodshot and face contorted into a grotesque parody of a human expression. In this state, it seemed impossible that anyone would be able to stand up to a single swing of her cudgel.

The Ninth Prince met her attack and pushed it away with his spear, scoring an impressive gash across her waist as the acid-metal of his weapon both cut and burned away at the Gao Chosen's flesh.

Twisting away from her inevitable retaliation, the Ninth Prince dashed towards his next target, one of the members of the Noble Knowledge Sect.

However, none of the Chosen were idiots, and the moment they saw the Ninth Prince's powers, each Chosen pulled out an enormous needle and focused all their Qi into it.

As the Ninth Prince rushed towards his third enemy, the Gao Clan Chosen quickly poured Qi into her own needle, and then the array was complete.

A thick red string emerged from each of the needles, quickly binding and ensnaring the Ninth Prince, making it impossible for him to move.

The Demonic Altar Sect Chosen, the same armored man that had bellowed out a challenge to Fang Tai, slowly stepped forward, as if he had all the time in the world.

He squatted down, until he was eye level with the prone and bound Ninth Prince, and within the dark recesses of the Chosen's armor, the Ninth Prince swore he could see a demon grinning back at him, always just slightly behind and to the left of the Chosen's actual face.

"Well, we were supposed to use the Demon Fate Needles to snag Fang Tai, but seeing as he's tangling against a fucking
Core Formation cultivator, fucking Vileblood at that, I think Jin Shufeng is gonna be fine with just bagging the Ninth Prince."

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And, yeah, that was about where they were now, the Ninth Prince trapped by a bunch of Chosen while the leader of their little band was monologuing in front of him.

Oh, shit, the leader was still talking, he should probably listen.

The Ninth Prince tuned in about 20 seconds after he tuned out, and… apparently didn't miss anything, which was pretty great actually!

"You back? Good. I can excuse a bit of a flashback now and then, Altar knows I've indulged in some now and then, but it does get a bit annoying when I'm monologuing."

...Ah. Yeah, that wasn't that great actually. "Well, I suppose an apology is in order. I'm sorry about that, nobody's monologue should be interrupted."

The great darkly-armored figure shrugged. "Eh. No skin off my back. But anyways, back to the monologue."

"So. We're sick and tired of everyone looking over us in favor of the 'true chosen'. We're powerful, we actually work together, we actually
like each other, and we're gonna go places in the future if our big plans pay off. So we figured some shit out, and for now we've decided to work for the one 'True Chosen' who doesn't treat us like shit!

You know, this was our first mission for him, and we were supposed to nab Fang Tai, though he said any Chosen would do in a pinch. So, here's what's going to happen.

We're gonna take you to Jin Shufeng, he's gonna use you in some sort of weird ritual, and then we're gonna get
paid!"

...Really. The Ninth Prince was a bit put out honestly. It wasn't like that was a very impressive monologue. Sure, it hit all the requisite points, explanation of motives, assertion of superiority, current plan, and final declaration that theoretically left no other possibility open, but it didn't really have heart, as if this Chosen didn't really feel like monologuing and he was just going through the motions. "I hate to criticize someone else's monologue, but frankly that was soulless and you should be ashamed."

The armored Chosen nodded. "Yeah, it wasn't really my best work, but what are you gonna do when some arrogant fucker interrupts your original monologue?"

The Ninth Prince winced. Yeah, that was. That was fair.

Actually, he did have a question for them. "So, what exactly is this array thing supposed to be? It looks pretty impressive."

This time, one of the other Chosen spoke, a tall, long haired Noble Knowledge Sect member. "It's actually quite ingenious if you know the underlying metaphysics."

She lazily uncoiled from her sitting position, arching her back like a cat as she stood up. "See, the needles themselves have their own arrays carved into their interiors, and those arrays store and create the Red String that we've used to trap you. On its own, the string just saps Qi and makes it harder to move, it's nothing special to a Foundation Establishment cultivator."

The Noble Knowledge Sect Chosen smiled. It wasn't a nice smile. "That's where this little Nine Needle Array comes in. If we pour our Qi into these needles at the exact same time, the Red Strings of Fate inside the needles combine to create a binding able to trap even a Core Formation Cultivator!"

"Well, to be fair, only for a little bit, there isn't really enough juice in this thing to permanently hold a Core. It's perfectly sufficient for a permanent binding for a Foundation Establishment Cultivator though" she explained.

Ah, yeah that made sense. It was actually a pretty good explanation too. A bit on the short side, to be fair, but certain people would consider that a plus, and the information was conveyed quite well. All in all, the Ninth Prince would give it a seven out of te-

Nope.

Now wasn't the time for tangents, now was the time for questions.

And the Ninth Prince had one more question.

"So, I have one more question." The Ninth Prince said. "And it's one that's been bugging me for a while. This array and its associated thread is supposed to be quite powerful, yes?"

A short haired, short bodied (really just short in general) Heavenly Time Shatter Sect Chosen began to speak. "Yep! I mean, everyone here's already modified their own needles, customizing them and all that good shit, and we've done it in just the right way so that the secondary combination array's been made exponentially stronger. It's actua-"

The Ninth Prince hated doing this, but you know, sometimes you just had to interrupt people to inform them of just how fucked they were. "Alright, thanks for the info. Anyways, follow up question."

Now thoroughly pissed off at the Ninth Prince's dismissal and poor treatment of his friend, the armored Demonic Altar Chosen nonetheless deigned to set him up for whatever punchline the Ninth Prince was going for. "Yes?"

The Ninth Prince smiled. It was so nice to have proper help with a set up, it really elevated the entire bit. Anyways, time to actually finish the bit.

"If this array is supposed to be so strong," The Ninth Prince stood up, unrestrained and unfettered, as the thick red string fell apart like ragged old cloth, slowly respooling itself. "Then why hasn't it actually done anything?"

The group of Noble Demon Alliance Chosen was mighty indeed, each one a powerful figure, revered and hated by the lesser members of their sect and clan, possessing hidden legacies and secret inheritances, premier talents and future pillars of their sects and clans.

In front of the Ninth Prince, they could do nothing.

The Demonic Altar Chosen in the heavy armor, so confident beforehand, so sure that he and his friends had the better of the Ninth Prince, stood stock still. A few of his allies sank to their knees, knowing that they wouldn't get out of this alive, gripping onto their needles like lifelines as the red string slowly retracted into its arrays.

Eventually, the Armored Chosen snapped out of his shock, though he was still halfway in and out of reality, mind shaken and body weak. "...Just make it quick. For them at least, if not me."

The Ninth Prince could make a joke here. He had a really good one too, one that he'd been waiting a few years to find the perfect spot for, along with a few other rapid fire ones that the Ninth Prince had made up on the spot.

Normally, he'd do it, he'd make the joke, he'd take the quip, he'd refuse to give his enemies any basic respect or common courtesy beyond what his sense of theatrics compelled him to do, because they were blood path fiends and mortal-exploiting villains and they didn't deserve a dignified death.

But here, something stayed the Ninth Prince's hand (or tongue, as it were). Maybe it was the fact that, despicable as they were, this group of Chosen had some twisted form of honor. Maybe it was that he hadn't actually seen them perform any atrocities, even though they almost certainly had. Maybe it was because the Ninth Prince empathized a bit with their desire to become known, to become important. After all, how many equally gifted clan members were languishing in his shadow?

Whatever the reason, instead of saying anything, cheapening the moment, the Ninth Prince merely gave a single silent nod of acceptance.

Then, he motioned to Ulo, Kha,Li, and Ya, and Raj. His companions had been lying in wait for the past few minutes, waiting for the right moment to strike, or, more specifically, the most narratively appropriate one. Now, they emerged out of their concealment, readying quick, painless attacks that would put these Chosen out of their misery.

With a flash of Qi, their techniques released-

-And were interrupted, as the Red Strings of Fate had finally retracted all the way into their respective needles, after which the needles stabbed the Chosen in the throat, killing them instantly and draining the blood and Qi from their bodies before disappearing in a puff of purple light.

Of course, before the Ninth Prince could process that, Fang Tai emerged, bruised and bloody, scarred by venom and plague. Notably, his entrance was not followed by a vengeful Core Formation Elder.

The two looked at each other, one a ruined mess of a man, scarred and battered and broken, the other perfectly unharmed.

Fang Tai opened his mouth to speak, thought the better of it, and closed his mouth, looking off to the side with a sullen expression.

It seemed like it fell to the Ninth Prince to be the bigger man in this situation, so that was exactly what he did. "So, normally I'd make a crack about our respective states, but you just fought off a Core Formation Elder who was trying to kill me. And I just fought a bunch of Chosen who were almost certainly going to be able to trap and kill you. I say we call it even, never talk about this again, and work together to do even more damage to the Noble Devil Alliance." the Ninth Prince said, marvelling at his own humbleness and self-restraint.

Fang Tai slowly looked up at the Ninth Prince, a small smile on his hideously scarred face. "You know, I think that's the first good idea I've ever heard come out of your mouth, you demonic bastard."

The Ninth Prince let out a short, surprised bark of laughter. "And you're one to talk, you pompous prick?"

"Snake loving automaton."

"Saber worshipping fanatic."

"You say it like it's a bad thing, Golden Devil by choice."

"You say that like it's a bad thing, you pampered young master."

And so, after fighting off people that would have certainly killed the other, the Ninth Prince and Fang Tai walked side by side towards their worried subordinates, trading barbs and insults as they went.

Who knew, this might be the first stirrings of an actual positive relationship?

"So, want some wine? I have some excellent vintages, despite being unable to get drunk myself."

"Don't push it."

Or maybe not.

"Ah. Alright then, I'll just wait for you to come around."

"The moment this alliance is over, I'm going to cut your tongue out."

Definitely not.

A/N: Holy fuck this is finally done. I'm severely behind schedule, but hey, at least this is finally over. I hope you enjoy!
 
You think the Old Cannibal won't make a deal with Jingshen to screw us over?
Hell try but making a deal with a demonic sect that is currently at war with a rightius sect aginst -admitedly demonic- the clan that controls the spirits stone flow to the plains will be a hard sell and is admittedly possible but then what stopes him from sending his two "concubines" to wreak our sheet when we are fighting jingsan.
 
The planing I saw talked about fliping thier vassels, a thing that by most would be taken as a war provacetion, we might have gotten away with it if we were rightius but were demonic so nobody really care about what we think and all they'll see is rigitus vs demonic.
It wont be provocation if we do it with deniability and political cover.

The Scorpions and Bandit Kingdom are positioned well for this, so long as we figure out the right approach to pulling it off. If we do so, that'll incense Jingshen further towards our preferred endgame of him taking the first shot at us.


. Letting old canibal just do whatever he wants in the verdent south is a recepie for disaster.
Sucks we cant do anything about it, but that's the reality of the situation. He failed upwards and now we can only prepare the board as best we can under the circumstances we have to actually deal with.


As to the fact that you dont want to kick the can down the road... Well I cant actualy say much about it, more then arguing that you shouldn't let felling get in the way of geopolitics.
That doesnt make any sense.


then on turn 12 we should go to war with them
And this is just plain crazy lmao
 
That doesnt make any sense.
Why? one of your stated reasons of supporting going to war with jingsan is that you arnt willing to kick the can of dealing with the rightius path oppression of us, and I said -and maybe i didnt explain myself fully-that I cant say much about that because thats your feelings except that maybe you shouldn't be involving feelings in geopolitics.
 
Why? one of your stated reasons of supporting going to war with jingsan is that you arnt willing to kick the can of dealing with the rightius path oppression of us, and I said -and maybe i didnt explain myself fully-that I cant say much about that because thats your feelings except that maybe you shouldn't be involving feelings in geopolitics.
???

Survival strategy isnt about feelings

That's what doesnt make sense
 
Survival strategy isnt about feelings

And even if you're fine with kicking the can of the Righteous Path oppressing us down the road, you know what?

I'm not.
If l can feel fine doing somthing and you can feel your not fine doing the same thing we are talking about feelings because in the post you didnt argue it was a survival strategy you made points as to why it was a good oprutunety to do what you argued for now instead of in the future after we deal with other stuff.
 
If l can feel fine doing somthing and you can feel your not fine doing the same thing we are talking about feelings because in the post you didnt argue it was a survival strategy you made points as to why it was a good oprutunety to do what you argued for now instead of in the future after we deal with other stuff.
That's you projecting.

I was pointing out that just because you have certain preferences doesnt mean that I share them. That's not a matter feelings in the slightest, because I could spend the next few pages arguing with you about the efficiency of taking the initiative, but I already suspect that the two of us have entirely different priorities and thus declined to indulge in what is both a premature and pointless argument at this juncture

It was me showing courtesy by cutting to the core of the disagreement
 
Alright about subverting the Scorpion and Bandit Kingdoms, I have a wild idea that probably won't work but certainly looks interesting.

The Golden Devil's want to hobble the Jingshen economic machine. Flipping the two vassals serves the primary goal of reducing Jingshen's resources and the secondary target of increasing ours. The problems here are that Jingshen has two Nascents to our one, we are outside the Righteous Path and stealing away vassals is a war provocation.

Recently, Jingshen bought the paper thin fiction that Flood Dragon Gang raiders were operating in the Desert through our borders as a face saving excuse. The Scorpion and Bandit Kingdoms are going to be wary of coming under a Demonic force, particularly one they know is the lesser of Nascent Powers. So instead of entreating them to join us, we persuade them to declare independent and buy the Flood Dragons as overlords by offering tribute. The Flood Dragons may not be interested in land holding but they're a mercenary operation who like their loot, reference the recent attack commissioned by Divine Saber Palace. Lady Yiao is rebuilding her gang and the wealth would be helpful. Now, Flood Dragons are inexperienced overlords and weakened currently. To sweeten the deal to the vassal kingdoms, we could offer our expertise in administration and territory management as a paid service to an allied Nascent power. This makes a Devil-Flood Alliance against the Jingshen balancing out the Nascent power. If we really want to go all in on the alliance, we could offer access to our Technique Palace to our allies for a few, boosting Flood Dragon recovery and the vassal kingdoms strength. This keeps all overt dealings between Righteous powers and we are simply the earnest allies following through on commitments to a paying ally.
 
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[ ] Grand Theft Spirit Stones (Write-in) - Choose a faction, and use your Nascent Soul strength to simply sneak in and steal a large quantity of resources. A little underhanded and shameful, but what do you care for the views of the Righteous Path? Increases wealth.
This was given as a possible nascent action in the first turn. Seems like a more direct way to to slow down economics.
 
I think the sequence of things, if the vassals declared for us instead of just taking the guns and raiding, would be something like 'HBK and GSS declare for us', which is declared illegitimate by Jingshen and a declaration of rebellion. Jingshen would be considering it a revolt. Then, if we stepped in to defend them, it would be considered a war with a foreign power. An invasion by us.

If Jingshen flipped Peng Kingdom, that would be an internal vassal rebellion issue until Jingshen physically stepped in.

A possible sequence that we'd want to avoid is HBK and GSS declaring for us, then Jingshen attacking them, forcing us to choose between defending them (Invasion! War with RP!) or just letting them get crushed.

'course, this depends on what vassals are, legally. Are they 'independent' polities who trade 'protection' for tribute, or are they tenants paying to live on Jingshen lands?

If they're the latter, us defending them from Jingshen aggression is an invasion of Jingshen land. If they're the former, defending them is a deal between independent polities. Jingshen could complain about broken deals, but not invasion.

I quite like the idea of Manuel stealing a lot of wealth and agree that it's a more direct way of hurting Jingshen's bottom line. However, I'm unsure of exactly what's needed to raise a Nascent. In the spreadsheet, the number of cultivators, Nascents included, seems to be a function of the lands we control, not Wealth. That's why I'm focused on denying Jingshen the HBK, GSS, and NJT lands.

I'm perfectly happy with dumping Yao'er in the HBK, giving her some starting cash and telling her to go wild.
 
This was given as a possible nascent action in the first turn. Seems like a more direct way to to slow down economics.
It's certainly an option to consider. The main reason I am campaigning for territory reduction on the part of Jingshen is that I want to lessen their wealth and not just reduce their money. Ideally the priority for the Clan post Trials should be Recovery, Nascent Soul and Jingshen Losses. Recovery depends on the dice outcomes for the Turn. I said earlier that one of our actions next turn should be an uplift project. I think we will have about two Great Circle Core elders, with our Councilor for Internal Affairs being the most promising. Getting another Nascent stops Jingshen's doom clock so investing in that should be a priority. Tribulation Treasures, Dao Supplements, Cultivation Boosters, Specialized Teaching, Ancestral Knowledge, Auspicious Locations and Timing, everything we the Clan has to get another Nascent. Our actions for Manuel can be used to subvert Jingshen holdings like I described to give us more time to get our Nascent and also boost our relationship with the Flood Dragons.
 
Mostly we just want to get a better idea of how much time is left on the doom clock. It really changes our actions. If we can get a Nascent before them then we don't need to take any extra actions.
 
'course, this depends on what vassals are, legally. Are they 'independent' polities who trade 'protection' for tribute, or are they tenants paying to live on Jingshen lands?

The problem (and opportunity) is that the finer points of what they consider 'legal' is entirely dictated by the relative strength of the parties involved and the amount of interest the wider community of Righteous Nascent Souls have in the issue. The 'Bandit Raid' from earlier this turn is a fantastic example of this. All sides, including the Plains powers when they hear about it, will know the truth of exactly what happened. The protestations of 'justice for the Flood Dragons' and the like is all just noise and smoke. All that matters is that the Devils pulled off the raid and that Jingshen showed weakness and backed down at a crucial moment. The rest of the Righteous Path just shrugs, probably makes a note to make a pithy comment about how weak the Jingshen are at their next dinner party, and collectively moves on.

So I wouldn't worry too much about the finer points of who draws first blood with the Subvert Vassal Plan. Even if we arrange it so that it's the Jingshen who strike first somehow, the truth won't matter if the Plains Powers decide they want to intercede. I would be more concerned about how we can make sure it's presented in the Central Plains and Verdant South as a 'local squabble out in the central desert' between those pitiful desert powers who aren't even worth being worried about.

Distinctly limiting the stakes of the conflict seems the best way to do this. Making it clear that the Clan is intent on only protecting the former Jingshen Vassals rights to self-determination and safety from mismanagement, and that we have no ambitions on their Core Territories (As of right now). Perhaps pair it with some kind of diplomatic outreach, a purchase or a Manuel action, that makes the Clans help with the ongoing War ever more indispensable.
 
"You back? Good. I can excuse a bit of a flashback now and then, Altar knows I've indulged in some now and then, but it does get a bit annoying when I'm monologuing."

...Ah. Yeah, that wasn't that great actually. "Well, I suppose an apology is in order. I'm sorry about that, nobody's monologue should be interrupted."

The great darkly-armored figure shrugged. "Eh. No skin off my back. But anyways, back to the monologue."
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The armored Chosen nodded. "Yeah, it wasn't really my best work, but what are you gonna do when some arrogant fucker interrupts your original monologue?"

The Ninth Prince winced. Yeah, that was. That was fair.
Ha, the monologue wasn't interrupted at all because the guy knows what it's like when somebody's flashbacking! :rofl:

"Knowing when to give a monologue without your target audience being too distracted" is, apparently, a learned skill for a certain brand of cultivators.
"If this array is supposed to be so strong," The Ninth Prince stood up, unrestrained and unfettered, as the thick red string fell apart like ragged old cloth, slowly respooling itself. "Then why hasn't it actually done anything?"
Hm. A hint that Shufeng's prepared artifacts and array doesn't work if somebody blunders and changes things beyond what they were supposed to be? i.e. They were meant for Fang Tai and simply weren't going to work on Ninth Prince as easily.

Or was this another example of Ninth Prince being scarily goddamn powerful such that he could shrug off all their attacks? Like he did with the time-stuff and so on?
Recently, Jingshen bought the paper thin fiction that Flood Dragon Gang raiders were operating in the Desert through our borders as a face saving excuse. The Scorpion and Bandit Kingdoms are going to be wary of coming under a Demonic force, particularly one they know is the lesser of Nascent Powers. So instead of entreating them to join us, we persuade them to declare independent and buy the Flood Dragons as overlords by offering tribute. The Flood Dragons may not be interested in land holding but they're a mercenary operation who like their loot, reference the recent attack commissioned by Divine Saber Palace. Lady Yiao is rebuilding her gang and the wealth would be helpful. Now, Flood Dragons are inexperienced overlords and weakened currently. To sweeten the deal to the vassal kingdoms, we could offer our expertise in administration and territory management as a paid service to an allied Nascent power. This makes a Devil-Flood Alliance against the Jingshen balancing out the Nascent power. If we really want to go all in on the alliance, we could offer access to our Technique Palace to our allies for a few, boosting Flood Dragon recovery and the vassal kingdoms strength. This keeps all overt dealings between Righteous powers and we are simply the earnest allies following through on commitments to a paying ally.
I like this idea! Can we pull it off?

Can we get the Flood Dragons back online quickly enough that they can be a Sect to actually give protection to areas, in time for this to work? Though I guess all that matters is "We have the Nascent Soul, and they do not" when it comes to power projection and territory truth be told. So it's a matter of "Is Yhao willing to go for this?"

If she is, then... I could see a Clan Focus on this and maybe a Manuel action on facilitating the alliance/treaty/deal/cover between the Flood Dragons and HBK and Scorpions.

The Flood Dragons retreating to the desert for a bit, and drawing closer to the Golden Devils -- who they trust as allies -- rather than the Verdant South or Great Battlefield powers, and messing with the Jingshen for a bit, in response to being fucked over on the Great Battlefield by another Righteous Power? That seems very workable. It sends a plain message of "If you fuck us over, we'll stick to people we can actually rely on and cause some trouble and headaches for you in response too."
 
Can we get the Flood Dragons back online quickly enough that they can be a Sect to actually give protection to areas, in time for this to work? Though I guess all that matters is "We have the Nascent Soul, and they do not" when it comes to power projection and territory truth be told. So it's a matter of "Is Yhao willing to go for this?"
We are sitting on 16 Wealth saved and will receive 13 next turn. Assuming the cost of refunding the Flood Dragons increases by 5 to 20 Wealth we could afford the expense. If we tie the Wealth to our Gambit and at least use it to form an commitment to an alliance, we could actually swing the Scorpion and Bandit Kingdoms. The key is to make it a fait accompli so that old Jingshen is faced with having to go up against two allied Nascent souls. If we're really crazy, we might even bring in Strength Purity after the fact and try to sell them on the idea of a buffer between us and Jingshen.
 
I dont see us having any control over that outside of maybe having Yao'er owing us a favor

But we'll see. I'm intending to push for paying to rebuild the Flood Dragons next turn anyway
 
We are sitting on 16 Wealth saved and will receive 13 next turn. Assuming the cost of refunding the Flood Dragons increases by 5 to 20 Wealth we could afford the expense. If we tie the Wealth to our Gambit and at least use it to form an commitment to an alliance, we could actually swing the Scorpion and Bandit Kingdoms. The key is to make it a fait accompli so that old Jingshen is faced with having to go up against two allied Nascent souls. If we're really crazy, we might even bring in Strength Purity after the fact and try to sell them on the idea of a buffer between us and Jingshen.
This relies on us spending 20 wealth on the Flood Dragons. We are about to take a serious hit as a result of the trials. We are going to have expenses.
 
I dont see us having any control over that outside of maybe having Yao'er owing us a favor

But we'll see. I'm intending to push for paying to rebuild the Flood Dragons next turn anyway

This relies on us spending 20 wealth on the Flood Dragons. We are about to take a serious hit as a result of the trials. We are going to have expenses.

I mean, we kind of have to now. With all of our blaming them for the raid on Jingshen, any payment they could have gotten from the Righteous Path will go as reparations for the damages we did to Jingshen...
 
Abel Angelus & The Builder Collab - An explanation for cultivator syndrome
Lectures Part 1 An explanation for cultivator syndrome
Those wishing to attend the lecture are required to first spend 12 hours in a pit of Skin-Scouring Searing Fire Ants. Really that is a dramatic way to say that everyone attending the lecture has to have mastered Acupoint Awareness or second thoughts as I prefer to call it. Still I guess that it must seem very impressive for people that don't know how second thoughts work.

I have found that by manipulating my acupoints I can enhance or minimize the effect of stimulus on me. By opening them to their fullest extent, I can make the most boring lecture a life changing event that is forever engraved on my mind. Conversely, by shrinking my acupoints all the way I can make being tortured a distant experience as if I am reading it out of a book. Maximizing is best for cultivating and living life to the fullest, but minimizing is really great for my stress levels. Also if I kept maximized all the time I would likely gain either an unending terrible hatred or disturbing fetish for sand. It's important to keep things in proportion. Carefully deciding what things I actually want to be life defining moments. Really don't want to just become another stereotype for power like some people seem to cough*Ninth prince*cough even if he seems to be a decent guy. The increased cultivation speed just isn't worth always being at max and deciding that someone bumping you by accident is worth a death feud. At least I never have to worry about immortality taking the spice out of life.
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I sit in the fire ant pit. Sometimes I open up a bit and let the pain matter to me because cultivation is cultivation after all, but whenever the pain gets too much I just minimize and lay back feeling bored at the repetitive book that just keeps saying PAIN PAIN PAIN. It doesn't really matter how big and fancy the letters are if the actual content doesn't tell me anything useful.

I am surprised just how open many others in the pit keep their acupoints. It actually makes me feel a little bad in a dull way about not taking my cultivation as seriously. Not enough to follow their example though.

Feeling bored, I decided to experiment a bit. Opening some acupoints more than others. Trying to determine which acupoints are associated with what. I try to maximize how important watching the other disciples well at the same time minimizing the importance of the pain.

I made a few mistakes, often screaming in agony, but eventually I got it down.

---Talking with a good seed and Switching to 3rd person since we are all protags here---

Abel sees a big man in a group of five. All of them looked relatively old, their skin green, with marks of working under the sun for a long time and other marks of hard work. All of them are trying to smile at each other despite their obvious pain. They notice some of the people in the pit look at them and make hand gestures to their small group.

Abel extends a hand crawling with ants "Hi, have to say you are way more diligent about cultivation then I am."

"Hahaha, no, brother. We all have our own paths. Who am I to say what else you have done?"

Abel frowns in confusion. "Have done? You have managed Acupoint Awareness yes?"
The Big Man points to the four others. "These are my brothers, to make it simple. We are first brother (pointing to himself), second brother, third brother (put to the woman of the group), four brothers and fifth brother (one guy with really dark eyes). I have done more yes, but they are my equal for I have saw their journey and it was a beautiful one.

Abel is starting to get the impression that he and this odd group are talking past each other, but tries to be polite anyway. "Well that is an easy naming system to remember anyway" He says with somewhat forced cheer.

"Indeed!" the big man said in a baritone.

"So what else have you accomplished? I have only roads, walls and things like that."

"Eh, Um, I made my own hand cannon?"

The smile that seems just a bit forced from the pain, froze from a moment "hum, did you made bronze mirrors and magnifying glass too?" Then the smile returned.

"Ah, yes I figured that the two things that the Golden Desert is never going to run out of is sand and sun. So might as well make the most of them!" Abel's smile becomes a bit more genuine.

The five look at each other making some talk with eyes and posture and animated hand gestures and the giant returns to look to you.
"Like I said, a beautiful journey, it seems my brotherhood owes a lot from your mirrors, and an entire village owes you for allowing them to produce colorful glasses!" he says with some grunts of pain.

Abel's eyes light up "Really! You mean people are actually using those! I was worried that they were doomed to just become one more curiosity!"

"A man's trash, can be another man's Heaven treasure, these mirrors are cheap" the giant makes a pause from the pain "can be used for communication, and for, mortals, can be used for impressive art" another pause from the pain. "If mortals can make a place that is impressive enough for Old Gold to talk to the other leaders, then they can do impressive art that helps the clan too" the big man tries to raise his arms to the heaven but fails from the pain. The other four continue to use their eyes and hands to direct the giant.

It seems like these people really haven't managed second thoughts. They are toughing though the pain by sheer willpower. Abel opens his acupoints. PAIN PAIN PAIN and falls down screaming before managing to close them again. He isn't trying that again. He doesn't care if that makes him a wuss.

What were they saying again. Right "Well I am glad that they have been useful to you. I hope that you take the idea farther than I could ever dream." Right now Abel is focusing more on getting the computer to work.

"Our brotherhood will try our best!" he pauses to breathe "and allow other villages to enjoy your work, see you have much to boast! And we only tried the mirrors and bronze, some hunter is probably having fun with the gunpowder" the giant pause from the pain again "fun killing beast with it, some brothers talk about using it to break stones, we are unsure if this was a good use"

"Well if nothing else gunpowder is comparatively inexpensive. The trouble is safe transport."

"Cheap?" the second brother comments and then starts to make furious hand gestures.

"How cheap are we talking about?" ask the first brother.

"The primary ingredient is dung" Abel shrugs. Bat dung, but still this world has some huge bats. There is even talk of using them as cavalry.

The five froze for a moment, ignoring pain. "As builders we have to deal with a lot, and I mean a lot of dung fixing sewers and doing other stuff" he nods to himself, "yeah, second brother blacklist that guy!" the others nod together with the second brother, all of them with evil eyes.

"If you want to make it yourself I put the recipe up on the contribution board. It isn't expensive. Just requires some risk tolerance."

"Ha, like I said, a beautiful journey" he looks to the others and they show genuine smiles (ignoring the pain). "I have decided, I have lots, and I mean lots of brothers, if you have a project that need only five years to be build, we trying our best to help"

Abel gets a glint in his eye. "Are you any good with clockwork?"

The shoulders of the five droop. "We are better with rocks, sand and general construction. For clockwork we would be only dumb muscle".

Well that would have been a bit too much to hope for. "I am doing a project in Apoikía Bucephalus. Huge clockwork machine powered by a waterwheel."

He looks at the second then the fourth brother, a quick search of eyes with the fifth that shakes his head. "We can help with the foundation. If is too heavy for a normal soil, we have lift machines and like I said dumb muscles. Other than that we would not be much of a help there."

"You might want to consider training up. You are cultivators now that generally means your labor should be valuable. If something can be done by just two mortals then generally it is going to be less expensive to hire two mortals. Unless you are being vastly unpaid for some reason."

He looks at the second and third 'brother' "hum, for the most part we are probably being well paid (to our needs), because it one thing to build a wall close to a city is another to build it in a place one would expect spirit beasts" "If you see a sewer that more than ten cultivators have shit on. You probably will see some impressive things" he said the last part with thousand miles eyes"

"I gather that some sewers have been less than diligent with Disease purification arrays?"

"Indeed, we have seen some human corpses, we have seen some storages of pills that certainly would go bad and did, and we have seen some impressive former pets there. When things get bad" all of them pause from pain "they can go really bad in a city with enough cultivators"

"I guess it's a choice to pay upfront and do things right. Or do things wrong and pay more later. Amazing how many people pick the second option."

"Indeed" he gathered himself from the pain once more "we call this 'pick one of three' in our work, cheap, good or fast. Most select cheap or fast".

The group spent the rest of time amusing each other with anecdotes about funny things that people flush down the sewers and singing. The singing was not quite as painful as the fire ants, but it gets more complaints.

--End of talk Back to first person.--

I came to the conclusion that this was a lesson on learning selective importance. This has been a really great opportunity. Not often that you can get a chance to experience pure pain without having to worry about actual damage. When I asked the proctor if I could have the Skin-Scouring Searing Fire Ants after the tests were done she told me that there was a bidding war for them. I didn't realize they were in such high demand.
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Manuel actually floats in the air as he gives his lecture. I can't tell if it is ostentatious showmanship or just that is so easy for him that he does it naturally. Given that he didn't explain the purpose of the entrance exam to get into these lectures I am generally inclined to think that he has a love for drama. Well I guess he has earned it given he is like 3000 years old or so. I wonder if he gives these lessons well at max or if this is all just classes blurring together for him.

"In a little over a decade, the Trials put before us will arrive. I do not doubt that one in five of you who stand here today will be dead after them, for all your talent. You are ill-prepared, though better prepared than we were a century ago."

Ya, I heard about the last trial. The clan likes to focus on the heroics of the 13, but reading between the lines, heroics are only needed when things are going horribly wrong.

"You will have heard tales. A few of you will have lived through those times. The Clan suffered, and then came the good times. Conquest and growth, new mines and new talents rising up. New relationships with the Righteous Path. Some of you have even travelled into the Great Battlefield, and not been killed on sight for the colour of your skin and hair. The Optimatoi suffered greatly that you could rise."

It really is interesting hearing stuff like this from an outside perspective. I have never personally experienced any of the downsides of being a golden devil. So far for me it has been all upside. Being one of the 1% and people treating me with respect just based on the color of my skin and hair. But I haven't ever left Golden devil territory and this is going to be my first trial. I guess I will see the downsides soon enough.

"Now you will suffer so that the Clan may rise. Body, soul, and Dao. The true trinity of things, connected by Qi. These are tiresome truths you should know already, but I lecture on them merely to frame what is to come. How are the three interlinked? Nobody I have ever met knows the full truth of things, but an old man's ramblings might shed a little light."

"Qi is of course the fundamental building block of the universe, as we all know. Heavenly tribulation is opposed by Qi, bodies are strengthened by it, souls are enhanced, Dao-arts are made possible. Qi is the energy of all things, and the motive force that drives reality. It is formless until given form, shapeless until carved into shape. Without it nothing is possible, but with Qi alone nothing can be done."

I personally don't agree. There are other fundamental building blocks of the universe than qi. The very existence of the qi draining desert proves it. If qi was in fact the energy of all things then a place without qi that has things in it could not exist. Also the fact that I come from a world without qi.

He takes a breath.

"Firstly we come to the truth of the Body. The Body is the physical, the thing formed and shaped by the Law."

Manual pauses for a bit as if debating saying more well taking a glance at the sky. He seems to decide not to. Not sure how much of that is theatrics. Also the way he says Law makes me wonder if he is talking about something descriptive or prescriptive. The difference between gravity and a speed limit.

"Each of your bodies obeys gravity, for the most part. It falls to the ground when lifted in the air. It is constantly pulled down by gravity, and obeys many other laws. You cannot simply will your body to move."

As if to refute his own words, Manuel rose up in the air again. Not really sure if that is supposed to support descriptive or prescriptive. After all Manuel does not seem to be being punished for floating in the air.

"There is a reason cultivation is the path that it is. First the body, then building the Dao, then forming the Dao, then discarding the Dao and then comes the soul. Other paths may differ, but no path I have ever heard of ignores that the body must come first. The ability of the body to channel and use Qi is the heart of all things. If you do not expel impurities, your meridians and dantian are full of muck and are useless. If you do not cleanse your acupoints, you cannot bear a thousandth of the Qi you will need to advance into Foundation Establishment. If you do not open your meridians in truth, you will never amount to much. Aligning the body with Qi is the first task of any cultivator."

I have not actually gotten to cleaning or opening my meridians yet. I have just been focusing on fine tuning my control of my acupoints. I hope that isn't going to be a problem.

He descends to the ground.

"I cannot solve all your problems, nor do I intend to. Still, one of the greatest problems of any cultivator is exploring where the true limits of your body lie. The hairsbreadth between where you exert the maximum power and your meridians burst, leaving you crippled and mortal. For most, they simply excavate nine-tenths of their power, and eventually another nine-tenths of what remains. Today, we will be reaching your absolute limit. It will be a small increase in power, but a real one."

I haven't even figured out the second nine-tenths yet. Was that a prerequisite? It would have been nice to have some recommended reading and exercises before the lecture.

"Circulate your Qi. Slowly increasing from your normal amount, you are to fill your dantian to bursting, channel as much as you can through your meridians. Continue increasing the amount. You will feel pain, you will feel as though you are about to shatter and die. If you stop before I stop you, you will be dismissed from the lecture and may not return."

Well no opportunity to ask questions. I just have to trust that Manual is keeping an eye on things. Nasect souls are supposed to have super mental abilities. Right?!

I am always cultivating at least a little bit nowadays, but I start really focusing on it now. As it starts to hurt I slowly close my acupoints slowing down but I don't actually stop cultivating.

Manuel stopped a few people so he was playing attention.

"Again. Once I stop you, begin again, but closer to the limit I stopped you at. If you stop before I stop you, will be dismissed from the lecture and may not return."

I keep cultivating. I wish I could have taken this lecture after cleaning my meridians. With them full to the bursting point my corruption stands out in stark contrast and every now and then a bit of corruption will shift slightly making me feel like I am about to pop. Still I have learned my current limits and I should be able to repeat the lesson on my own when I clean my meridians. Still I feel like the lesson in the fire ant pit on applying selective importance was actually more valuable than this.

@Alectai, @TehChron, @Humbaba, @ReaderOfFate, @Kaboomatic Also put me down for going to the Qiguai Clan Doorway so long as the trials don't wound me or use up a LST.
 
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This relies on us spending 20 wealth on the Flood Dragons. We are about to take a serious hit as a result of the trials. We are going to have expenses.
I agree that this is all wishful thinking without knowing how bad the Trials hit us. However, I see that 20 Wealth as purchasing a commitment from the Flood Dragons to repay the favor the Golden Devils made. We previously provided protection and time for the Gang to recover their Nascent power when their last head died, and we're essentially bargaining for a similar favor. Understandably our situation has more risk than the Flood Dragons', but we are heavily compensating them and Lady Yiao specifically to back us up in staring Jingshen until we get another Nascent. Everything else, with the Scorpion and Bandit Kingdoms is just a bonus.
 
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