Maybe have him be generally informed but have soul magic be so volitile and personal that he isn't hugely helpful? Like the things you would use against an Chinese hopping vampire and a European vampire are wildly different, why not extend that to soul stuff? That way he doesn't centralize the narrative but provides direction to Harry and Taylor.
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Maybe have him be generally informed but have soul magic be so volitile and personal that he isn't hugely helpful? Like the things you would use against an Chinese hopping vampire and a European vampire are wildly different, why not extend that to soul stuff? That way he doesn't centralize the narrative but provides direction to Harry and Taylor.
"As a student named Tom Riddle at Hogwarts in the 1940s, he learned of Horcruxes through books in the Restricted Section at Hogwarts Library, including Secrets of the Darkest Art, and sought out Potions Master Horace Slughorn for further information about creating more than one, of which no book would have any record."
(Quoted from the wiki.)
Herpo the Foul was the first wizard to make a Horcrux. At some point after that, it was written into books, including the one Tommie used to start making his. Does anyone really believe that book crossed the world, down through the ages, and no one ever read it, copied it, used it?
Other books mention them, so somebody besides Herpo had to have made one and caused enough of a ruckus that at least one book on Dark Arts just mentioned the name and refused to say anything else about them.
So, given the sheer numbers of tales around the world of people that pulled X thing out of themselves and hid it outside their body, I find it hard to believe that a curse breaker like Bill doesn't know about "The Hidden Path of Immortal Life.", a series of ways to live forever by hiding your soul/heart/death/whatever in a container somewhere out of your body. I would assume that each method has it's own name, and curse breakers both love them and hate them with a passion.
They love them because people evil enough to use them are vain enough to use valuable things, beautiful things to store their death insurance in, which makes for great bonus pay when they bring them back.
On the other hand, you generally have to be a powerful mage to make it work, with an evil, underhanded, nasty habit of trapping everything within a half mile of your container, a fact that has killed more than a few curse breakers.
So, Bill will recognize the idea of the thing, even if he doesn't know this particular method right off hand, but he can find someone that can tell them about them.
I would find that far more likely than Skitter mastering Magic of any kind quickly. She's not stupid, far from it, but the idea that a single mispronounced letter can turn a first year charm into an intercontinental teleport summons of a buffalo and nobody tried to improve the new "teleport large masses" spell is going to boggle her mind.
Skitter: "Wait, wait, wait. Somebody accidentally summoned a buffalo, from either Africa, Asia or America and no one even thought about what that means? Was it alive, did it live long afterwards, how much did it weight? Can you choose to summon other animals by changing other letters, can you aim it at a target? Can you send it back, or send a different thing or person back? Holy shit, people, how do you ignore all the possibilities here? Are you that stupid?"
(Correction after double checking: if it was an actual buffalo, it was from Asia or Africa, if it was a bison, which is commonly called a buffalo, it was from Europe, Americas, or a dozen other places.
Still a remarkable feat, to summon 500 plus pounds of creature across the channel, via apparition, when most people can barely side along bring their kids.)
(Quoted from the wiki.)
Herpo the Foul was the first wizard to make a Horcrux. At some point after that, it was written into books, including the one Tommie used to start making his. Does anyone really believe that book crossed the world, down through the ages, and no one ever read it, copied it, used it?
Other books mention them, so somebody besides Herpo had to have made one and caused enough of a ruckus that at least one book on Dark Arts just mentioned the name and refused to say anything else about them.
So, given the sheer numbers of tales around the world of people that pulled X thing out of themselves and hid it outside their body, I find it hard to believe that a curse breaker like Bill doesn't know about "The Hidden Path of Immortal Life.", a series of ways to live forever by hiding your soul/heart/death/whatever in a container somewhere out of your body. I would assume that each method has it's own name, and curse breakers both love them and hate them with a passion.
They love them because people evil enough to use them are vain enough to use valuable things, beautiful things to store their death insurance in, which makes for great bonus pay when they bring them back.
On the other hand, you generally have to be a powerful mage to make it work, with an evil, underhanded, nasty habit of trapping everything within a half mile of your container, a fact that has killed more than a few curse breakers.
So, Bill will recognize the idea of the thing, even if he doesn't know this particular method right off hand, but he can find someone that can tell them about them.
I would find that far more likely than Skitter mastering Magic of any kind quickly. She's not stupid, far from it, but the idea that a single mispronounced letter can turn a first year charm into an intercontinental teleport summons of a buffalo and nobody tried to improve the new "teleport large masses" spell is going to boggle her mind.
Skitter: "Wait, wait, wait. Somebody accidentally summoned a buffalo, from either Africa, Asia or America and no one even thought about what that means? Was it alive, did it live long afterwards, how much did it weight? Can you choose to summon other animals by changing other letters, can you aim it at a target? Can you send it back, or send a different thing or person back? Holy shit, people, how do you ignore all the possibilities here? Are you that stupid?"
(Correction after double checking: if it was an actual buffalo, it was from Asia or Africa, if it was a bison, which is commonly called a buffalo, it was from Europe, Americas, or a dozen other places.
Still a remarkable feat, to summon 500 plus pounds of creature across the channel, via apparition, when most people can barely side along bring their kids.)
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It wouldn't surprise me in the least, for the goblins to just take years worth of rent from Voldemort (he might not have a vault, but his slaves do, I mean the DE here)
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Sorry to disappoint, Skitter. But it almost certainly came from the Elemental Plane of Buffalo, where immense herds swirl across the countryside, and the local magics keep them happy and predator-free.
Have you not heard of the Elemental Plane of Magician White Rabbits? And, the ease of connecting top hats to that, as well as sending them home, again?
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You want to distract her from mere teleportation with dimensional travel?Sorry to disappoint, Skitter. But it almost certainly came from the Elemental Plane of Buffalo, where immense herds swirl across the countryside, and the local magics keep them happy and predator-free.
Have you not heard of the Elemental Plane of Magician White Rabbits? And, the ease of connecting top hats to that, as well as sending them home, again?
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You're a wizard, aren't you? Cause that's a really wizard plan.🤣
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What do you mean 'dimensional travel'? It's just animal summoning. Summoning is standard wizarding stuff! Not this dimensional hoo-ha. Hmph!
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I would say Have Bill know a little bit need to go to an older and more experienced curse breaker who gives him a full run down on the multiple different way to keep a soul trapped and around. It feels a bit contrived that Taylor could just come up with the answer but it is what it is.
Secondly there is a major plot point that should be invoked. Dumbledore had a huge amount of knowledge confenscated (stolen) that he didn't approve of, in doing so he dumbs down the population. He and the British Ministry also declared all sorts of magic "dark" unilaterally and criminalized it. There should be a lot of references to much better and more effective magicians from other countries and it should come out that Britain is falling further and further behind the rest of the magic world do to the "best" intentions of the Ministry/Dumbles.
Secondly there is a major plot point that should be invoked. Dumbledore had a huge amount of knowledge confenscated (stolen) that he didn't approve of, in doing so he dumbs down the population. He and the British Ministry also declared all sorts of magic "dark" unilaterally and criminalized it. There should be a lot of references to much better and more effective magicians from other countries and it should come out that Britain is falling further and further behind the rest of the magic world do to the "best" intentions of the Ministry/Dumbles.
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I mean. Do you want knowledge on how to make Horcruxes out in The World? Dark Wizards and Dark Witches (Voldemort, unlike what fanon goes with is the only person to call himself a Dark Lord) being able to hang on as wraiths does not sound like a good thing.
And have you seen the average stupidity of Hogwarts Students? (See the books for more details.)
Do you think anyone, even a NEWT student, should be allowed to find out about Horcruxes? Curse Breakers teaching their own about them is fair enough and workable. But leaving information on Horcruxes out there is what lead to Voldemort. Which is not a good thing.
Now, on Curse Breakers ... Arthur Weasley is not the Ministry's Muggle Specialist as fanon says. That's The Oblivators and The Muggle-Worthy Excuse Committee. From his dispelling cursed objects and such? Arthur's job is basically a Ministry Curse Breaker. So! For a senior Curse Breaker? Bill could in fact go to Arthur if you don't want to invent an OC for it. Which would be fun.
And have you seen the average stupidity of Hogwarts Students? (See the books for more details.)
Do you think anyone, even a NEWT student, should be allowed to find out about Horcruxes? Curse Breakers teaching their own about them is fair enough and workable. But leaving information on Horcruxes out there is what lead to Voldemort. Which is not a good thing.
Now, on Curse Breakers ... Arthur Weasley is not the Ministry's Muggle Specialist as fanon says. That's The Oblivators and The Muggle-Worthy Excuse Committee. From his dispelling cursed objects and such? Arthur's job is basically a Ministry Curse Breaker. So! For a senior Curse Breaker? Bill could in fact go to Arthur if you don't want to invent an OC for it. Which would be fun.
I don't think Baruffio (the buffalo victim) was actually using the hover charm when he had his accident; it's just a cautionary story to remind kids that what they're doing isn't "safe" or a toy. My chemistry teacher used to love to tell stories about accidental mixtures of household chemicals causing chaos and destruction, even though we were doing "is it an acid or base" with indicator paper and lemon juice.
people can already look up how to make bombs with household supplies, and 99% of the information the US Navy uses to run its nuclear reactors is public information.
They don't need to know the entire ritual, just generalities will do fine. Like, everything we find out about horcruxes in the books could be publicly available information and it wouldn't hurt anything.
Restriction of information like this is counterproductive from a view point of keeping people safe, since someone who is determined enough to make one will always find out, and keeping the low level of information of what they are hidden form absolutely everyone only ensures that they will succeed and there's nothing anyone can do against them.
Why are we comparing Muggles and Stereotypical Wizards?
Comparing Muggle Americans to Closed-off and Secret Loving Wizard Brits?
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Really, there should be research into Horcruxes. Being able to sniff them out, somehow. And, it being made just how clear that it messes-up your afterlife. The Death Stone would prove useful for this.
A simple 'Is this magical still active?' ritual done after the supposed death of a magical where you've either not got a body, or the body is suspiciously magical after death. Gringotts would probably quite like this - would keep their contracts simpler? The equivalent of a mundane post mortem?
Establishing a national Magical British Library, that has all the standard magical texts in, and which publishers are legally required to submit a copy of any published book, for sale in Magical Britain, might be something worth putting into law. Pointing out the mundane equivalent, and the 'primitive state of magical knowledge' as a motivator...
Yes, there could be 'restricted' sections. Or, 'only for magical researchers' ones. But, no, hiding magical knowledge, completely, shouldn't be legal.
A simple 'Is this magical still active?' ritual done after the supposed death of a magical where you've either not got a body, or the body is suspiciously magical after death. Gringotts would probably quite like this - would keep their contracts simpler? The equivalent of a mundane post mortem?
Establishing a national Magical British Library, that has all the standard magical texts in, and which publishers are legally required to submit a copy of any published book, for sale in Magical Britain, might be something worth putting into law. Pointing out the mundane equivalent, and the 'primitive state of magical knowledge' as a motivator...
Yes, there could be 'restricted' sections. Or, 'only for magical researchers' ones. But, no, hiding magical knowledge, completely, shouldn't be legal.
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Bill absolutely. The Room of Requirement would just feel like a Deus Ex Machina, something that already happens far too much in HP fics. Also, a guy who makes a living exploring Egyptian tombs would absolutely know everything their is to know about litches, because if there's one culture which would have a ton of proto-horcruxes lying in their tombs, it'd be the Egyptians: they literally invented canopic jars, one of their central myths has the King of the Gods was ressurected from the dead with magic, and one of their most enduring folktales literally has a soul jar in it.
Also, w/r/t Herpo the Foul, we only know he invented horcruxes in their modern form, something which contains a sliver of one's soul to tie them to the earth, split with murder of an innocent. I see the Egyptians as having practiced a far less objectionable practice in making soul jars, in which the entire soul is removed from the body and placed in a recepticle, no mutilation necessary. Herpo likely invented this new, far more evil way of tethering himself to the earth because there are obviously going to be serious downsides to removing your soul from your body, and whoever ends up holding the soul jar probably would be able to enslave you or something.
Also, w/r/t Herpo the Foul, we only know he invented horcruxes in their modern form, something which contains a sliver of one's soul to tie them to the earth, split with murder of an innocent. I see the Egyptians as having practiced a far less objectionable practice in making soul jars, in which the entire soul is removed from the body and placed in a recepticle, no mutilation necessary. Herpo likely invented this new, far more evil way of tethering himself to the earth because there are obviously going to be serious downsides to removing your soul from your body, and whoever ends up holding the soul jar probably would be able to enslave you or something.
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Also, researching horcruxes would mean finding ways to create them (or emulate them enough to be getting on with) that don't require murdering someone, such as, instead of fracturing one's soul, cloning it, connecting them together with sympathetic magic, and storing the cloned part in the pseudo-horcrux. Since the cloned part is identical to and sympathetically linked to the original, it should be enough to work like a horcrux does, only without any of the awful side-effects, such as a broken soul leading to mad, cackling, pants-on-head evil and insanity.
Plus, it's like sex education. Teach kids about them and suddenly sex and horcruxes are a lot less mysterious and the downsides are a lot more apparent. Teen pregnancy is a LOT more common in places where lack of sex education and abstinence-only education are prevalent, and I imagine the same would be true when information on horcruxes (including the horrific downsides) is easily available.
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Compared to Daphne Greengrass creating excuses that Dark Magic doesen't exist and is simply a figment of imagination? It isn't as common as you'd think.
Something they'll sleep through in, I'd compare it more to Gun Handling Education.
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I am absolutely in favour of bringing him in;
Literally never heard that one before and I've read plenty of Daphne-centric stories. But almost every story that has the RoR has it able to find/conjure random stuff that has no business being there.
Also it's a fair point; magic is just a universal force like gravity. You can use it to keep your paperwork from blowing away or you can use it to make people go splat. Whichever you choose is on you, not "dark gravity" turning you evil.
It does take away the spiritual applications of Dark Magic -- We can call it "The Dark Side of the Force Trope"
Magic, in the fanon sense, does need sentience (So Mote it Be would just be a random cosmetic Spell than a "I Tell The Truth!" Spell if Fanon Magic wasn't Sentient). Which would conclude a slight close connection with how Lucas wanted the Force to be, with the Dark Side the "Drug" or in this case, the Perverted and Abused sentience of Magic that gets bashed by Both Dark Wizards/Witches (For their own gain of power) and the Light (Because It's "Dark Magic"). Their influences may influence the bashed Magic into the "Dark Magic" They Recognize.
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Wouldn't surprise me if scarab beetles are related to souls, given how important they were in Egyptian mythology. If Bill can bring her some, she could do some testing on someone who isn't using their soul for much.
Draco, maybe.
Or Ron. He is a ginger...
Draco, maybe.
Or Ron. He is a ginger...
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Bring in Bill, I believe he'd know about this thing.
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I'd like to counter with five words, "Bellatrix Lestrange making a Horcrux," then point at the rest of The Death Eaters, how many of The Death Eaters can you see not making a Horcrux if they know about them? Voldemort being Voldemort meant he'd never tell his followers about it.
But if Herpo The Fouls Chocolate Frog Card mentioned more than him making The First Basilisk and being a Parselmouth would it exactly be safe to let everyone know Horcruxes exist? How many of The Death Eaters casually throw the Unforgivables like it's nothing?
It goes with the whole thing of, "There is no Dark Magic," as would you say argue that the action and creation of as Horcrux isn't evil? The Bullshit of people arguing The Unforgivables can be used for good? I'd like to see an argument for Horcruxes. Or the creation of Inferi? Or ... No, I've seen a fic where someone made out Dementors to not be evil and actually good which was something I hate. Somethings are just wrong. And you don't do them.
Now, Knowledge of Horcruxes outside of people who actually deal with them is going to be rare. Egyptian Cursebreakers working for The Goblins will know about them, as they work for The Goblins their might be Goblin Blades imbued with Basilisk Venom with the Goblin Handlers for The Cursebreakers. But neither is their going to be the fanon notion of, "Oh, loads of people know about Horcruxes that there's this spell Dumbledore doesn't know about which can remove the Scar-Horcrux and everything is now fine!" Which is plain silly.
Yeah, let's not. Fanon also thinks Snape is secretly a prettyboy and a noble knight of the light, as well as Harry's perfect boyfriend.
Once again, you can light a house and drive back the cold, or you can kill someone in one of the most torturous ways invented since crucifixion; which of those electrons were the "dark" ones?
All the evil intent and direction in your examples comes from humans, not the force empowering their actions.
Say that to the others speaking of Fanon Tropes while saying it to me, please.