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Obviously please dont make this canon 🤣
Harry Potter and the Skittering Spouse
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Obviously please dont make this canon 🤣
It's not just Molly though. Their whole society wants other people to deal with all their problems for them. They also are so obsessed with silver-bullet solutions that they can't imagine that people would have to take a suboptimal path to actually be effective. Why the fuck do I have to only stun and capture people when they're throwing instant-death, agony, and mind-control curses back at me and can revive/free their compatriots almost instantly? Killing the opposition in order to put them down permanently if they resist with lethal force is basically military and police 101.
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It is not police 101. It might be shitty police 101 or wannabe soldier 101, but it is not and should not be police 101. The fact that America has that as justification does not make it morally, ethically, politically, or civilizationally correct.
However, at a certain point, the gloves come off and a conflict is no longer about policing but warfighting. And in fighting a war, killing is necessary. Police should never, ever be the implement for fighting a war. Ever.
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The Molly fight almost makes me want Snape to push her far enough to 'welcome him' into her head and just dumpy an Endbringer fight and the Nine on his head.
Snape: "She qualified, now I need to go find a bathroom to throw up in, I thought the Dark Lord was creative…"
Snape: "She qualified, now I need to go find a bathroom to throw up in, I thought the Dark Lord was creative…"
Oh, I'm definitely waiting for someone to go into her mind and see one of the Brockton Bay Average Tuesday events
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I'm torn between her being immune to mind reading just because trying to read a Shard connection gives instant migraines, and her not being immune but they get a front row seat to the Leviathan and Echidna fights.
While this statement is very true, I see nothing wrong with police having the ability to go lethal if they need to. In hostage situations they should be allowed to kill the hostage-taker to save the hostages' life. A criminal with a gun is raising it and is about to shoot you, so you shoot them back with lethal ammunition. Their survival is a secondary concern. If they survive the potentially lethal putdown that's fine, but there's no point bashing the officers in question for putting a threat down as expeditiously as possible if they're risking someone elses life.
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Fencer
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On the topic of mind reading, wizard mind reading is a relatively uncontrolled shitshow. And Taylor's everything would break them. Any memory after her trigger event is going to come with the phantom senses of her swarm to some degree or another. Even with QA that took a week for her to adjust to the bare minimum. And then months to fully grasp the associated senses. It would not be pleasant for any invader. If they somehow managed to hang on and keep digging, unlikely, they would by necessity have to focus on her life pre trigger to get anything they could handle which wouldn't really help them. From there if they stick around and keep digging QA will find them. I would not envy the poor fool who got that far.
Ravengt
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That was my exact first thought as well lol
Besides that it's not the murders you should be looking at but the victims. Kill a single murderer and the number of murders remain the same but the number of victims decreases and only plummets more with the number of murders you kill.
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Harry: "Who knew that the 'power he knows not' was superhero PTSD." :looking over at the corpse of Voldemort with blood leaking out of every orifice from trying to read Taylor's mind:
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Not the biggest fan of Molley, but the best explanation I have for her actions is that she is terrified. The last war was a terror campaign where she wasn't a major combatant, her brothers were, and they died. Civil wars mean you can't trust anyone, everyone has twisting loyalties, and you never know when the next fight is going to happen. There were no battle lines, no marching armies, just groups of scared individuals wondering if today was the day you'd get jumped.
The previous war was bad enough that no one wants to go through it again. Kind of like France at the start of WWII. Several of their comanders refused to fire until they were actively under fire.
Note that it has been over a decade since I read the books, and have read some amazing fanfics in the meantime that really fleshed out the world. Recommending "Changeling" on ao3. Slitherin Ginney, need I say more.
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The previous war was bad enough that no one wants to go through it again. Kind of like France at the start of WWII. Several of their comanders refused to fire until they were actively under fire.
Note that it has been over a decade since I read the books, and have read some amazing fanfics in the meantime that really fleshed out the world. Recommending "Changeling" on ao3. Slitherin Ginney, need I say more.
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Frank talk, wizarding britain for all we like to mock and throw stones is just an exaggeration of real people. Very few people want to go out and fight. Even when they know it's their best bet. The problem is they hold onto this even in times of exceptional threats when most cultures push past it long enough to rise up in response. And were getting half this from Taylor's perspective. Taylor who would spit in the face of death for the chance to save one girl she inadvertently condemned. Who stabbed a living natural disaster to buy noncombatants an extra couple of seconds and the hope of rescue. Taylor is just wired differently. She's uncompromising, she defiant, she's stubborn enough to know there is little to no hope of saving the world and march out to fight regardless, because in her mind it's the only option.
The average attitude of wizard Britain? It's anathema to her. Forget tech levels, forget the victorian culture and dress, this is the real culture shock for Taylor.
The average attitude of wizard Britain? It's anathema to her. Forget tech levels, forget the victorian culture and dress, this is the real culture shock for Taylor.
verycoolname
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Tolkien made Bilbo and the other hobbits the protagonists for a reason. We can relate to them better than we can to Gandalf or Aragorn.
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Honestly, I'd think they would just have a stroke upon trying to enter her mind. I don't think the human mind could handle that much raw input or information, at least not without QA filtering everything beforehand.
<Cough>Dumbledore</Cough>
You know he's bound to do it at some point.
I'm sure viewing some memories in a pensieve would be educational for a few people....
Isiri Pudireach
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Look, I'm like fo realz not suggesting people to try looking into Taylor's mind, but Umbridge would totally be the type to invade someone's privacy like dat if she could.
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Yeah…. Shame Umbridge doesn't have that kind of skill.
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Mostly I think Batman's thing is "I try to let the system work, because if I start killing them, I am not going to stop."
Bruce would have an easy time of actually ending his enemies but he really doesn't want to cross that line. He has no problem with maiming them though.
In Harry Potter, honestly the British wizards make no sense to me. They are all cowards, to the very last. Which is odd considering just what the British were liek during WW2, shrugging off bombings and such, mostly out of spite. I get it was a front and they coped with gallows humor but they took the hits and stood firm. Harry Potter as a series shows none of this culture. Yes, I get the magical world might as well be a Separate world but still.
It's police 101 in literally anywhere in the civilized world. If someone is a clear and present lethal threat to their surroundings (incl. yourself), then you use lethality with no hesitation. If it can be de-escalated without putting youself in much danger, great, but generally it's up to the people on the ground and the situation. Policing is all about proportionate retaliation, de-escalation if possible with reasonable safety, protecting innocents, and enforcing the law.
If a man is shooting up a school, you don't even try to taze him, you shoot to kill, first and foremost. Priorities for most decent cops, is their own life > innocent's lives > a criminal life, in those circumstances, and rationally so.
By law, the army cannot be deployed locally by law in the U.S. SWAT and counter-terrorism deals with that sort of stuff, not the army. Voldemort is closer akin to something like a small scale, more personally powerful Osama Bin Laden, and his Death Eaters are ISIS. Aurors seem like a looser, hybrid policing and military unit, since hardass vets like Moody exist.
Generally speaking, HP is soft as fuck, most likely owed to there being a tiny wizarding population, and thus 'wars' and conflicts are remarkably small scale, they're insular and basically cut off from the larger mundane world, are basically self-sufficient, new ideas seem rare, or outright surppressed by the DoM, and so forth.
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Why not both?
She is immune to mindreading BECAUSE every attempt get to see these fights first thing and noone can withstand that (and anyone going further would run into QA, who is not willing to share BestHost headspace with anyone...)
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According to what Fencer said in his last Informational, the only person who might possibly get a clear view of Taylor's mind is Rita Skeeter (Bug-Animagus and noted tabloid journalist, but not known for any proficiency in legilimency).
Everyone else trying to read her mind will get scenes full of static, white noise and other artifacts for all memories after her trigger event, because ordinary (magical) people have no idea how to interpret memorized sensory input from the swarm.
And of course, doing more than a quick skim of Taylor's surface thoughts is effectively holding up a sign to QA which reads "Counter-Hack Me, PLZ!".
Everyone else trying to read her mind will get scenes full of static, white noise and other artifacts for all memories after her trigger event, because ordinary (magical) people have no idea how to interpret memorized sensory input from the swarm.
And of course, doing more than a quick skim of Taylor's surface thoughts is effectively holding up a sign to QA which reads "Counter-Hack Me, PLZ!".
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The British wizards have one major problem that stops them from acting sensibly. They are adults in book series for children/YA. Thus they have to be incapable of solving the problems, because if they did, the child/teen MC and friends would have nothing to do and we wouldn't have the book series.
It's not the most satisfactory answer to a world building question, but it's probably the only one that makes sense.
Personally, I think the British adult wizards in any fanfiction should follow the same reasoning and be exactly as involved and competent as is needed by the narrative.
The only people who insisted on stunning opponents were Harry and his school friends in canon. The Order of the Phoenix, while mostly not very effective given its size, never said anything negative about lethal force.
The issue I think people are having about Wizarding Britain being soft is because they gave in so easily to the Death Eaters. From what I can tell, that boils down to "mudbloods don't matter". There are more than a few (possibly unintentional) hints that muggleborn people just don't rate as people to most of Harry Potter's adults. At least as a group.