Harry Potter and the Skittering Spouse

The issue I think people are having about Wizarding Britain being soft is because they gave in so easily to the Death Eaters. From what I can tell, that boils down to "mudbloods don't matter". There are more than a few (possibly unintentional) hints that muggleborn people just don't rate as people to most of Harry Potter's adults. At least as a group.

One of the larger issue any oppressed minority struggling for equal rights has to overcome is the apathy of the masses, which is usually a larger impediment than the hate of the extremists.

So Wizarding Britain makes a certain amount of sense from that perspective. Most of them simply didn't see that as their problem (or even a problem at all) and thus didn't care. They probably only noticed "the few good ones" who managed to marry into a pureblood family, like Lily Evans. I think Slughorn made some comments like that about her.
 
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Police should never, ever be the implement for fighting a war. Ever.
Armed police are often drawn on for milita/emergency mobilization situations, I think. Yeah, they don't have the best training for it, but in that situation what they have is likely better than the large majority of the people you're going to field. This may not be ideal for your future civic policing, but you won't get to have that problem if you don't get through the more immediate one.

Or in Wizarding Britain terms, Aurors aren't proper wizard soldiers, but they're still the closest thing to proper wizard soldiers that exists. (Well, maybe Hit Wizards, which are a contestant for the worst-named law enforcement branch ever.)
 
Yeah. I see the talk about murdering murderers, and my brain jumps back to it being a war. As long as you don't kill the families or any bystanders, it's a matter of soldiers killing enemy soldiers, and there start being huge problems if you start calling that murder.

Dumbledore.
 
I'm now of the opinion that Taylor with QA's help should development her own mental defenses, or at least have QA set them up.

Of course, these defenses are going to be things like being attacked like Lung when Taylor rotted his eyes and balls off. And then the next defense would be fighting Kaiser, and then the S9, followed by Echidna, then as a final guardian, Leviathan.

Since these won't be the real deal, just very accurate simulations of them, in a mental plane, QA could easily give Taylor the best defenses period.


Now we need Snape to try and mind read her. Cause we all know he will try.

I can easily see him going comatose via QA attacking, but having these defenses to protect her memories makes sense.
Just because Taylor's memory is not able to be understood doesn't mean it shouldn't be protected. QA would never want to share her Best!Hosts hard earned [DATA].
 
Yeah. I see the talk about murdering murderers, and my brain jumps back to it being a war. As long as you don't kill the families or any bystanders, it's a matter of soldiers killing enemy soldiers, and there start being huge problems if you start calling that murder.

Dumbledore.
Dumbledore never did/said that though? Closest thing we see was when he was dying and trying to set up his agent as the next headmaster of Hogwarts (while simultaneously trying to mindfuck and flip Malfoy).

Greater Good "you must never kill your enemies or you become as bad as them" Dumbledore never existed. His refusal to kill Tom in the ministry battle had nothing to do with "killing is wrong" and everything to do with the fact that Voldemort wasn't killable at the time.

Order members advocated killing in war. Remus specifically calls Harry out on his stun the enemy behavior.
 
Order members advocated killing in war. Remus specifically calls Harry out on his stun the enemy behavior.
I remember Remus telling him to put them out of the fight, which stunning doesn't actually do given enervate is a thing, not advocating killing them. Can't recall anything to that effect until the last fight of the series.
 
Dumbledore never did/said that though? Closest thing we see was when he was dying and trying to set up his agent as the next headmaster of Hogwarts (while simultaneously trying to mindfuck and flip Malfoy).

Greater Good "you must never kill your enemies or you become as bad as them" Dumbledore never existed. His refusal to kill Tom in the ministry battle had nothing to do with "killing is wrong" and everything to do with the fact that Voldemort wasn't killable at the time.

Order members advocated killing in war. Remus specifically calls Harry out on his stun the enemy behavior.
Except it would have in no way been pointless to kill Voldemort at the ministry. Denied a body he would have been forced to go through another labor and time intensive ritual to get his body back. It would have shaken moral among the death eaters even if the proof of resurrection would prevent it shattering. It would have set back many plans of Voldemort's. It would have bolstered faith in the resistance. It would have bought time for the defenders and been a rallying cry to prove he can be fought so long as it was spun properly. Even if that wasn't the case putting down Belatrix would have been a positive opening move he neglected to act on.

Further you forget that Dumbledore due to his many government roles inherits a good deal of the blame and resentment for all the many guilty that got off with the imperious curse defense. We don' know how much power he had at the time to influence these matters but the idea is entrenched in the fandom.

Dumbledore allowed Draco to endanger every student who's safety he is responsible for in favor of an attempt to flip one teenager that's been indoctrinated since birth and who's parents were held hostage. This was foolhardy in the extreme.

He defended Snape constantly in spite of the mans Undeniable guilt and abusive teaching practices. All because Snape had one attack of guilt which set him against Voldemort. Truthfully we don't know if Snape's defection did any good in the first war, and besides a needlessly complex plan in the second *shrugs* we don't know. We don't get to see enough too know.

As to the orders willingness to kill that's a great case of say don't show. I'm pretty sure every death eater survived the ministry fight. I'm still only half way through book six but… well it doesn't show a lot of follow through.

But to summarize the point, Dumbledores actions, the actions of his order and the government which he serves at the highest level speak so loudly that they drown out a lot of subtler intent from what he does and does not say.

I'm not saying that it's entirely fair but that's how opinions and emotions work.
 
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Dumbledore is one of those unfortunate characters in fiction where you don't really need to change anything he says or does to make him look really bad.
 
Except it would have in no way been pointless to kill Voldemort at the ministry. Denied a body he would have been forced to go through another labor and time intensive ritual to get his body back. It would have shaken moral among the death eaters even if the proof of resurrection would prevent it shattering. It would have set back many plans of Voldemort's. It would have bolstered faith in the resistance. It would have bought time for the defenders and been a rallying cry to prove he can be fought so long as it was spun properly. Even if that wasn't the case putting down Belatrix would have been a positive opening move he neglected to act on.
Couple of things here. I'm not even sure Voldemort could be killed traditionally. People seem to assume that his man snake body was somehow susceptible to a killing curse or falling and snapping his neck. It was magically crafted and he was anchored to mortality by a ton of phylacteries. Voldemort fights Dumbledore for a while, appears to be losing, attempts to possess Harry, and peaces out. Not sure what more was expected from Dumbledore here.

Also, Dumbledore never had a chance to kill Bellatrix. She was involved in other portions of the fight and he was pre occupied with not letting Tom run wild killing his allies.
Further you forget that Dumbledore due to his many government roles inherits a good deal of the blame and resentment for all the many guilty that got off with the imperious curse defense. We don' know how much power he had at the time to influence these matters but the idea is entrenched in the fandom.
For whatever reason the Death Eaters were on the verge of winning. This is just head canon on my part but I suspect there was an unspoken truce about not pursuing people like Malfoy(people who couldn't be proven to have committed crimes) too hard because it would re ignite hostilities that Dumbledore's very overwhelmed side would not win. We saw how easily things tumbled when he died.
Dumbledore allowed Draco to endanger every student who's safety he is responsible for in favor of an attempt to flip one teenager that's been indoctrinated since birth and who's parents were held hostage. This was foolhardy in the extreme.
This is somewhat valid criticism. Do remember though that the vanishing cabinet was unknown to both Snape and Dumbledore. Their knowledge of the assassination attempts was severely limited by Draco being both incompetent and unwilling to ask for help. I'd like to think there was some greater plan here but Half Blood Prince was the book where everyone was a freaking moron for plot reasons.
He defended Snape constantly in spite of the mans Undeniable guilt and abusive teaching practices. All because Snape had one attack of guilt which set him against Voldemort. Truthfully we don't know if Snape's defection did any good in the first war, and besides a needlessly complex plan in the second *shrugs* we don't know. We don't get to see enough too know.

As to the orders willingness to kill that's a great case of say don't show. I'm pretty sure every death eater survived the ministry fight. I'm still only half way through book six but… well it doesn't show a lot of follow through.

But to summarize the point, Dumbledores actions, the actions of his order and the government which be serves at the highest level speak so loudly that they drown out a lot of subtler intent from what he does and does not say.

I'm not saying that it's entirely fair but that's how opinions and emotions work.
More than agree with you here. Snape's redemption was a whole lot of "tell don't show". I will point out that he was a horrible person but not the worst teacher we see in the books (damning by faint praise I'm aware).

But I do believe we have to take what the Order says about killing at face value. Else we're stuck with Death Eaters who also rarely kill anyone. The way Rowling wrote the books it was a pretty low body count war until the final battle.
 
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Truthfully we don't know if Snape's defection did any good in the first war
Given that Snape defected October 17th, just 2 weeks before Voldemort's fall... He almost certainly had no real impact on things other than accidently setting the stage for Voldemort's fall at Gordic's Hollow, and perhaps passing off some intel. There simply wasn't enough time for him to do much more.
 
I generally prefer the versions of Dumbledore where his decision(s) to do little-to-nothing are because he doesn't trust himself after the whole disaster with Grindelwald. After all, if the last time he tried to do the 'right thing' ended up getting his sister killed and unleashing that madman upon the world, how much damage could he do with the power and respect he now possesses? It helps justify why he was so inactive (at least, shown to have had little real effect) while also holding so much political power.

Snape, on the other hand, has absolutely no justifications and I actually despise his character. At least Molly wants to protect her children, Snape is just a terrible person all around. Even his defection from Voldemort is based on selfishness rather than growth as a person.
 
But I do believe we have to take what the Order says about killing at face value. Else we're stuck with Death Eaters who also rarely kill anyone. The way Rowling wrote the books it was a pretty low body count war until the final battle.

Most of the body count was offstage because it was still nominally for children. By book six they were killing families and people like Amelia Bones in the background, but it was kind of kept lowkey for Hogwarts students.

Also, while I agree there were worse teachers at Hogwarts...though not by much, I have to say Snape was quite possibly the worst spy ever to pretend to espionage. About the only worst spy I can think of in literature was Castellan Lebbick in Mordant's Need series. I swear both Dumbledore and Voldemort had to have an alternative spy that was less obviously a spy and just used Snape to pass messages back and forth.
 
Dumbledore is one of those unfortunate characters in fiction where you don't really need to change anything he says or does to make him look really bad.

If I was ever to write a HP fanfic, my Dumbledore would end up being an antagonist or even outright villain and I wouldn't really have to change anything except the perspective.


Snape, on the other hand, has absolutely no justifications and I actually despise his character. At least Molly wants to protect her children, Snape is just a terrible person all around. Even his defection from Voldemort is based on selfishness rather than growth as a person.

Snape often gets a pass in the fandom because in the movies he apparently was less of a creepy asshole than in the books. Alan Rickman did a lot to redeem the character because if you go strictly by the books then Snape has no good qualities whatsoever. Even his unrequited love of Lily is purely selfish.
 
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I'm not even sure Voldemort could be killed traditionally.
This is a reasonable consideration, but is no reason not to try. If nothing else complete immolation is an option and frankly removing all his limbs and taking him hostage might actually have been better than killing him.
This is just head canon on my part but I suspect there was an unspoken truce about not pursuing people like Malfoy(people who couldn't be proven to have committed crimes) too hard because it would re ignite hostilities that Dumbledore's very overwhelmed side would not win.
I understand the political situation you are suggesting. In a non magical setting I might even agree. Wizards have access to an absolute truth potion. Keep the trials closed door until all conspirators have been identified. Capture as many as you can and issue international warrants for those that run. And they have the veil of death. These people committed acts of treason. Execution is to be expected. And yet how many got life in prison instead? I blame most of this on it being a children's series and logic being a secondary concern, but still.
Their knowledge of the assassination attempts was severely limited by Draco being both incompetent and unwilling to ask for help.
He still nearly got Katie Bell killed and used the imperious curse to do it. If nothing else that should have been the breaking point for that idiocy. But Snape was sworn to help Draco and Dumbledore wanted to keep Snape. Draco could have done a lot of damage if his attempts were more reckless and Dumbledore didn't even keep him under observation.
But I do believe we have to take what the Order says about killing at face value. Else we're stuck with Death Eaters who also rarely kill anyone. The way Rowling wrote the books it was a pretty low body count war until the final battle.
This I will at least mostly concede and blame on Rowling trying to maintain the series as a kids series instead of acknowledging the fact it aged along with her audience. But I will point out there were a lot people killed off screen by DE's and I don't think we ever here of them receiving the same treatment. I believe this is another example of the good guys have to hold themselves to a higher standard even in war mentality we so much of in children's fiction, but could just as easily imply the order and ministries incompetence. Neither is a good look and both are frustrating for different reasons.
 
Generally it seems like most canonical HP characters seem seriously problematic.

I'm always a little weirded out by people implying that good!Dumbledore was canonical and manipulative!Dumbledore is fanon. What I read seemed like a broken man terrified of his own ambition yet unable to stop manipulating everyone around him, often for the worse.

I generally prefer the versions of Dumbledore where his decision(s) to do little-to-nothing are because he doesn't trust himself after the whole disaster with Grindelwald. After all, if the last time he tried to do the 'right thing' ended up getting his sister killed and unleashing that madman upon the world, how much damage could he do with the power and respect he now possesses? It helps justify why he was so inactive (at least, shown to have had little real effect) while also holding so much political power.
Rather than "whole disaster with Grindelwald" I'd say "whole disaster with Ariana".

In particular, for Grindelwald, a lot of people seem to agree with the general idea of Dumbledore having beaten him in a duel. Grindelwald had the Deathstick - a wand reputed to always win duels and change hands via treachery (its actual history seems to contradict that, but the idea was still there in the legends). Dumbledore was his past lover. There don't seem to be many witnesses to their duel. I generally assume that once Dumbledore moved against Grindelwald, his means were far from honorable. Which might well leave an even deeper mark on Dumbledore than simply killing defeating his former lover in a duel.
 
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Point. Text changed from "killing" to "defeating".
Really just makes your argument better, and lends credence to the fanbase 'never killing anyone, not even magic Hitler' sentiment. Which does ignore how much he'd really rather not given their very personal history, but if there's one person you kill, it's your version of Hitler.
 
"...what? Wait, no! You have to kill me!"

You jest, but this is a Taylor who solved the Butcher problem by shoving the mad cape into a prison it can't escape from. She would most certainly take one look at the whole "Harry is a horcrux" situation and respond with "well then we just stick Voldy in a prison with no way out. Problem solved." Then she gets to break Voldy by giving a practical class in Fates Worse than Death, to the horror of everyone who ever even considered immortality as an option.

"Have I ever told you about Grey Boy?"
 
Wasn't Grindelwald later revealed to still be alive, if imprisoned? (And having outlived Dumbledore) Seems mildly important.

He did outlast Dumbledore, but he was killed in the spring of '98 (tail end of Year 7) by Voldemort in Canon. Voldy wanted to know why he didn't feel as strong a connection to the Elder Wand, but was stonewalled by Gellert. Tommy boy got so angry at that he killed Grindelwald for the affront.
 
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