Harry Potter and the Skittering Spouse

[CastleTrime]

The problem in canon, and the issue Taylor is going to have to deal with is that the wizarding world under the guidance of Dumbledore is the unwillingness to kill even when confronted by killers. Taylor knows you have to not only match your enemies but take things up a notch to win, but the order of Phoenix, the aurors, etc. are just tossing around kiddy curses instead of doing what needs to be done. No one wants to fight a war, but once you start you have to be willing to do unto others before they can do unto you. Whether he is ultimately a good idiot or a secret dark lord, Dumbledore handicaps everyone fighting Voldemort due to his sister issues.

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While I agree you shouldn't restrain yourself when fighting a war there is a tiny problem that we in the real world have never had to deal with. The fact the Imperius curse is real.
Sure Death Eaters pretended to be under it to get away with crimes but we also see multiple individuals that were victims used to hurt others. Like Krum or Katie Bell. Meanwhile Sirius said the reason the war was so terrifying was you couldn't trust anyone since they might have been compelled. Additionally Arthur is at one point afraid his wife might have gotten replaced suggest the Death Eaters probably used things like Polyjuice as well in order to infiltrate and attack homes.

Many Death Eater attacks probably involved them grabbing someone off the streets and mind controlling them into throwing curses at there friends or just the public. Killing these people is not only wrong but also useless since the Death Eaters can easily replace them and might have kill them themselves after tormenting them with what they'd done.
Meanwhile other Death Eater attacks probably consisted of sudden strikes followed by running away before the Order can respond. Except on the occasion Voldemort ambushes the Order to sow terror.
This would be how the small number of Death Eaters who are incompetent bullies to effectively harass and terrify the populace even if the Aurors are competent at fighting. It just never comes down to fighting.

Remember terrorists can rarely actual fight against police or soldiers. But they don't need to since they can strike without warning and fade into the general populace before anyone can respond making the hard to find. And you can't guard everywhere without spreading yourself thin while they can strike with all there forces in one place.
Frankly for all its called a war the Death Eaters are terrorists not a army. But that doesn't mean terrorists can be disturbingly effective with the right strategy.

 

[Dalxein]

Slight subject change. Snape promised to watch over Malfoy as best he could. If Malfoy dies is snape free of that vow?

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Depends on the exact wording of the vow, which I cannot for the life of me recall.
If it's the blanket 'Protect Draco' that I'd thought it was, then Snape would find himself facing the cost for breaking it. Which I think was death, but a lot of the fandom just takes as 'lose magic'.
If there was any wiggle room about effort, then Snape should be home free if he's nowhere near enough to help Draco when something terrible happens to the shit.

If there was a task involved and Snape was never told what the task was, he has no way to complete it if Draco dies. Either he's home free unless/until someone who would know the task (I think the oath was made with Narcissa, so she could justifiably be the only option Snape has for finding out what task she was talking about. Lucius, maybe. Possibly Voldemort, but the magic involved might not trust a second hand "I'm his boss, I gave the order, even if I wasn't involved in the oath and might be wrong/lying.") tells him what it was, or the magic would judge him incapable of completing it at the time of Draco's death and find him in violation of the oath and kill him. Author's choice.

EDIT: I've thought it was blanket 'protect Draco' as an excuse for why Dumbledore could do nothing but ignore Draco after the boy was marked. Any rightful punishment against Draco by actual law enforcement could see Snape die, or forced to intervene. If I'm wrong, Dumbledore essentially protecting Draco makes even less sense.

 

[Fencer]

It's also possible that Draco won't be asked to target Albus in this timeline. After all, there's this sudden and unexpected new variable, one that everybody knows about, in the form of Taylor. Much better to sick the Malfoy heir on the 'Lady Potter' than to target an old man who Draco couldn't kill anyway...

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No. Not going to work. Voldy wants Dumbles dead as the greatest threat to his rule. Draco was chosen to go after Dumbledore with the expectation he would fail as punishment for Lucious failure.

Right now Taylor is an oddity. Not a threat.

While I agree you shouldn't restrain yourself when fighting a war there is a tiny problem that we in the real world have never had to deal with. The fact the Imperius curse is real.
Sure Death Eaters pretended to be under it to get away with crimes but we also see multiple individuals that were victims used to hurt others. Like Krum or Katie Bell. Meanwhile Sirius said the reason the war was so terrifying was you couldn't trust anyone since they might have been compelled. Additionally Arthur is at one point afraid his wife might have gotten replaced suggest the Death Eaters probably used things like Polyjuice as well in order to infiltrate and attack homes.

Many Death Eater attacks probably involved them grabbing someone off the streets and mind controlling them into throwing curses at there friends or just the public. Killing these people is not only wrong but also useless since the Death Eaters can easily replace them and might have kill them themselves after tormenting them with what they'd done.
Meanwhile other Death Eater attacks probably consisted of sudden strikes followed by running away before the Order can respond. Except on the occasion Voldemort ambushes the Order to sow terror.
This would be how the small number of Death Eaters who are incompetent bullies to effectively harass and terrify the populace even if the Aurors are competent at fighting. It just never comes down to fighting.

Remember terrorists can rarely actual fight against police or soldiers. But they don't need to since they can strike without warning and fade into the general populace before anyone can respond making the hard to find. And you can't guard everywhere without spreading yourself thin while they can strike with all there forces in one place.
Frankly for all its called a war the Death Eaters are terrorists not a army. But that doesn't mean terrorists can be disturbingly effective with the right strategy.

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I have a major problem with the imperiused fighters theory. Taking control of someone and ordering them to fight your enemies doesn't mean that person will know how to fight effectively. Much cleaner to use that curse to get spies into positions of power. Get information you need or pull off assassination of unsuspecting targets. Hell if they are incompetent enough a mind controlled patsy could lead to a friendly fire incident with the people controlling them by shear incompetence.

For example: wait for your family to fall asleep and then murder your family before killing yourself.

Lot easier to kill unsuspecting targets.

Edit: also I've got to assume there's a limit to how many people a person can control, how effectively, and for how long. And how that might negatively impact someones ability to fight while keeping others under their control.

 

[Mecharic]

Right, note to self, never let Fencer become a Dark Lord

 

[Windborne]

Brew some very slow acting poison that takes years to kill the victim but for which there is no counter. Dumbledore would count as "killed" but still live long enough that a natural death might happen sooner.

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That would definitely work.

Not that him killing Dumbledore is necessary anyway since he is going to drop dead from the ring curse soon after his canon death in any case.

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Not sure that's in play at the moment. I don't think Dumbledore would risk going after a Horcrux after learning about Taylor. She's such a new wildcard that he's likely focusing completely on her. Plus her powers could potentially be extremely helpful in retrieving the various Horcrux, so him taking his time to bring both Harry and Taylor into the secret would only serve his purposes.

A random thought I had @Fencer, does Harry being married to Taylor affect his mother's ward? It's supposed to be powered by being around a blood relative, but there could be an argument made that Taylor is now closer to him than any other relative so long as she lives. It being such an old and rare bond might do interesting things.

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This actually does get brought up in Canon. Krum attacking Fleur (I think it was her) with the Cruciatus in the maze. He knew how to do it so he was forced to use it. Also at the final battle there's dozens of Imperius'ed Witches and Wizards that are forced to fight. So it is used that way, but you're probably right that they wouldn't be as effective. I think they were mostly cannon fodder. That is still a potentially incredibly dangerous and effective tactic though. Even just massed fire of basic hexes could be dangerous.

 

[Fencer]

A random thought I had @Fencer, does Harry being married to Taylor affect his mother's ward? It's supposed to be powered by being around a blood relative, but there could be an argument made that Taylor is now closer to him than any other relative so long as she lives. It being such an old and rare bond might do interesting things.

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I hadn't really given that any thought if I'm being honest. Frankly the things usefulness ended after Voldemort used his blood in the resurrection ritual anyway.

This actually does get brought up in Canon. Krum attacking Fleur (I think it was her) with the Cruciatus in the maze. He knew how to do it so he was forced to use it. Also at the final battle there's dozens of Imperius'ed Witches and Wizards that are forced to fight. So it is used that way, but you're probably right that they wouldn't be as effective. I think they were mostly cannon fodder.

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…. Damn it, do not make me reread book seven! Book six is bad enough! Stupid half formed magic systems that are never properly developed or explained.

 

[CastleTrime]

I have a major problem with the imperiused fighters theory. Taking control of someone and ordering them to fight your enemies doesn't mean that person will know how to fight effectively. Much cleaner to use that curse to get spies into positions of power. Get information you need or pull off assassination of unsuspecting targets. Hell if they are incompetent enough a mind controlled patsy could lead to a friendly fire incident with the people controlling them by shear incompetence.

For example: wait for your family to fall asleep and then murder your family before killing yourself.

Lot easier to kill unsuspecting targets.

Edit: also I've got to assume there's a limit to how many people a person can control, how effectively, and for how long. And how that might negatively impact someones ability to fight while keeping others under their control.

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I never said they were supposed to be competent. Just imperius a random guy and have them start attacking anyone around them. Sure they might be subdued fairly quickly but it would make a wonderful distraction and terrorist attack. Don't try to keep them long term just get them immediately before a raid and keep them away from your team sowing distractions. That way you can't have 'friendly' fire or worse them breaking the curse during the battle. Basically use them as terrorist bombs I'm suggesting. Even having one or two each time would rapidly cause paranoia even if its not sustainable. The controllers might not even be part of the fight if they slip away afterwards.
But yeah using them as spies or order them to go home and attack the defenceless also make a lot of sense.

Basically I'm thinking we shouldn't treat the Death Eaters like an army but rather terrorists using tasty but effective tactics that rely on avoiding straight combat. Instead they focus on unpredictable terror attacks.

 

[Daemion]

Depends on the exact wording of the vow, which I cannot for the life of me recall.
If it's the blanket 'Protect Draco' that I'd thought it was, then Snape would find himself facing the cost for breaking it. Which I think was death, but a lot of the fandom just takes as 'lose magic'.
If there was any wiggle room about effort, then Snape should be home free if he's nowhere near enough to help Draco when something terrible happens to the shit.

If there was a task involved and Snape was never told what the task was, he has no way to complete it if Draco dies. Either he's home free unless/until someone who would know the task (I think the oath was made with Narcissa, so she could justifiably be the only option Snape has for finding out what task she was talking about. Lucius, maybe. Possibly Voldemort, but the magic involved might not trust a second hand "I'm his boss, I gave the order, even if I wasn't involved in the oath and might be wrong/lying.") tells him what it was, or the magic would judge him incapable of completing it at the time of Draco's death and find him in violation of the oath and kill him. Author's choice.

EDIT: I've thought it was blanket 'protect Draco' as an excuse for why Dumbledore could do nothing but ignore Draco after the boy was marked. Any rightful punishment against Draco by actual law enforcement could see Snape die, or forced to intervene. If I'm wrong, Dumbledore essentially protecting Draco makes even less sense.

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That seems to be on point. The vow in question:

Narcissa spoke.
"Will you, Severus, watch over my son, Draco, as he attempts to fulfill the Dark Lord's wishes?"
"I will," said Snape.
A thin tongue of brilliant flame issued from the wand and wound its way around their hands like a red-hot wire.
"And will you, to the best of your ability, protect him from harm?"
"I will," said Snape.
A second tongue of flame shot from the wand and interlinked with the first, making a fine, glowing chain.
"And, should it prove necessary . . . if it seems Draco will fail . . ." whispered Narcissa (Snape's hand twitched within hers, but he did not draw away), "will you carry out the deed that the Dark Lord has ordered Draco to perform?"
There was a moment's silence. Bellatrix watched, her wand upon their clasped hands, her eyes wide.
"I will," said Snape.
Bellatrix's astounded face glowed red in the blaze of a third tongue of flame, which shot from the wand, twisted with the others, and bound itself thickly around their clasped hands, like a rope, like a fiery snake.

 

[Hayateknight]

Not sure that's in play at the moment. I don't think Dumbledore would risk going after a Horcrux after learning about Taylor. She's such a new wildcard that he's likely focusing completely on her. Plus her powers could potentially be extremely helpful in retrieving the various Horcrux, so him taking his time to bring both Harry and Taylor into the secret would only serve his purposes.

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Problem with this is he had put it on before he grabbed Harry at the beginning of the book. I guess since we are in that nebulous section between the books where we are not sure of the exact timeline of things you can say he got interrupted before he could do that but wow Dumbledore now doesn't die through sheer dumb luck. I have faith Fencer could make it enjoyable either way but I am pretty sure that man is on a timer.

 

[Drewits]

Honestly, if it comes to Taylor killing Draco and Snape intervening or trying to take revenge or anything Taylor will just kill him too. This is Warlord Skitter from just before she murders Alexandria your either on her side fighting her enemies or you're her enemy and she kills and or mutilates you.

Edit: doesn't matter how much of a double agent Snape is if he's a double agent willing to stand against her he's an enemy and her enemies die

 

[Zummers]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Dumbledoor can be canon compliant, competent, or good, pick two. Although I've really liked it when his actions are explained as willfully stepping into the role of 'Mentor' to allow Harry to fill that of 'Hero'. Not because of manipulations, but because magic literally runs on tropes and cliches.

 

[Daemion]

Honestly, if it comes to Taylor killing Draco and Snape intervening or trying to take revenge or anything Taylor will just kill him too. This is Warlord Skitter from just before she murders Alexandria your either on her side fighting her enemies or you're her enemy and she kills and or mutilates you.

Edit: doesn't matter how much of a double agent Snape is if he's a double agent willing to stand against her he's an enemy and her enemies die

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Even as a "warlord", a title she never claimed for herself, Taylor saw herself as doing the right thing. She only killed as a last resort and/or in self defense, it wasn't her go-to option.
Same for mutilation, this was usually done to counter a cape and to avoid killing them instead.

As fun as the memes are, Taylor saw herself as the hero and not as a villain who'd kill anyone in her way.

While the Taylor in this fic is definitely more leaning towards the meme side (as seen in her sudden skill with guns and other weapons), I don't think she's at Terminator levels of "morality" yet.

Unless she catches Draco in the act I don't think she'd try to kill him. Rather she'd look for a way to remove him as a threat by getting him expelled or something like that.

 

[anommalcolm]

I hadn't really given that any thought if I'm being honest. Frankly the things usefulness ended after Voldemort used his blood in the resurrection ritual anyway.

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Even before the resurrection it wasn't all that useful. It burned Voldemort if he touched Harry. How many of the attempts on Harry Potter's life involved Voldemort touching him? In fact, how many involved Voldemort even being present? Harry nearly died dozens of times and you could probably count the number of times Voldemort was physically present for them on your fingers and toes. How good was that protection, really, in the grand scheme of things?

 

[Drewits]

Even as a "warlord", a title she never claimed for herself, Taylor saw herself as doing the right thing. She only killed as a last resort and/or in self defense, it wasn't her go-to option.
Same for mutilation, this was usually done to counter a cape and to avoid killing them instead.

As fun as the memes are, Taylor saw herself as the hero and not as a villain who'd kill anyone in her way.

While the Taylor in this fic is definitely more leaning towards the meme side (as seen in her sudden skill with guns and other weapons), I don't think she's at Terminator levels of "morality" yet.

Unless she catches Draco in the act I don't think she'd try to kill him. Rather she'd look for a way to remove him as a threat by getting him expelled or something like that.

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True enough, For Warlord Skitter I was more speaking to the fact that this is Skitter before Weaver who was shown that her tactics wouldn't be out of place in the S9 and long Before Kephri who regretted her actions if not her deeds and I was speaking in the hypothetical of if it comes down to her killing Draco and Snape trying to defend or avenge him. But this is still very much the Taylor who if you're not her ally you're her enemy and who was about to mid surrender kill one of the most powerful heroes in the world because said hero pissed her off.

Edit: It's more that if Draco makes himself a problem to be gotten rid of and then Snape does the same Taylor will get rid of him too doesn't matter that Snape's a "Double Agent" and "one of the good guys"

 

[goodpie2]

Oh boy. Is this gonna be a Ginny bashing fic? I really hope not. It's so... petty?

 

[Lycanthromancer]

Oh boy. Is this gonna be a Ginny bashing fic? I really hope not. It's so... petty?

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Molly is definitely petty. Ginny does take after her more than a little.

 

[Fencer]

Oh boy. Is this gonna be a Ginny bashing fic? I really hope not. It's so... petty?

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This act seemed highly in character too me given her reactions to Fluer. I have no real plans for Ginny whatsoever beyond this point though she and Taylor will likely need to talk at some point just because I can't imagine Ginny leaving things like this for the full school year.

 

[goodpie2]

This act seemed highly in character too me given her reactions to Fluer. I have no real plans for Ginny whatsoever beyond this point though she and Taylor will likely need to talk at some point just because I can't imagine Ginny leaving things like this for the full school year.

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Aight then. I'm good with that. I just meant the like, "Ginny is an evil, conniving gold digger/stalker" nonsense that's so common. Honestly I just wanted to ask as a heads up but I'd just woken up and my brain did it in a stupid way. Sorry for sounding confrontational.

Edit: What does "Winter" mean?

 

[Jdubct]

Ginny was JK's "not like other girls" stand in around this point in the books. The Molly jumping to the worst conclusions to protect Harry or Ginny bad mouthing a girl who's taking the attention of one of her favorite people away from her is in character.

I like Molly but she always came off as super suspicious of the motives of anyone interested in who she considers her children. And she definitely considers Harry as at least half her son.

Edit: They both acted very similarly regarding Fleur until she proved she wasn't shallow at the end of HBP.

 

[Windborne]

I hadn't really given that any thought if I'm being honest. Frankly the things usefulness ended after Voldemort used his blood in the resurrection ritual anyway.

…. Damn it, do not make me reread book seven! Book six is bad enough! Stupid half formed magic systems that are never properly developed or explained.

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It does protect him from others technically in Canon given the incredibly stupid flight from Privet Drive on his 17th birthday. But yeah it's definitely not likely to be very important, it was literally just a stray thought I had a few days back and this latest chapter just let me remember it.

And you really don't need to re-read book 7, at least not for that. It's pretty much just a small detail that is quietly brought up and then promptly ignored by just about everyone of import. They were very much just cannon fodder.

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Given that neither Harry or Taylor remarked on Dumbledore having a withered hand it hadn't occurred when they last saw him. And Dumbledore pretty much died to sheer bad luck in Canon. If Tommy boy was at all aware of what that ring actually had as the setting he'd have never made it a Horcrux. The only reason Dumbledore fucked up was because it had the Resurrection Stone from what I can tell. Else he'd have not actually put it on and gotten cursed.

 

[Dai]

Even before the resurrection it wasn't all that useful. It burned Voldemort if he touched Harry. How many of the attempts on Harry Potter's life involved Voldemort touching him? In fact, how many involved Voldemort even being present? Harry nearly died dozens of times and you could probably count the number of times Voldemort was physically present for them on your fingers and toes. How good was that protection, really, in the grand scheme of things?

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Well, not to raise up how useful the blood protection was, but if it was actually useful at things like burning/weakening Voldemort when he was present, you could frame it as that was why Voldemort was never physically present.

To exaggerate it to hilarious levels: if the protection was 'destroy Voldemort if Harry and Voldemort are ever in the same room' then all of Voldemort's plans would of course then necessitate them never being in the same room. We can't know exactly how effective the protection was at limiting Voldemort's plans because he was probably planning around it being there.

 

[anommalcolm]

Well, not to raise up how useful the blood protection was, but if it was actually useful at things like burning/weakening Voldemort when he was present, you could frame it as that was why Voldemort was never physically present.

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Except we do know. Thats how Quirrel dies when he attacks Harry while being possessed by Voldemort. Burns appear where he comes into physical contact with Harry. Then when Voldemort resurrects, he makes a show of touching Harry to prove the protection no longer works. Except, you know, Voldemort is a wizard! If he's touching his enemies rather than blasting them, he's already doing it wrong. And he knows it. Every time he's tried to kill Harry himself, he used a wand. Only Quirrel ever did something as inefficient as trying to strangle the boy or something of that nature and it was mind-bogglingly stupid even for a wizard as bumbling as Quirrel.

 

[noternest]

This is such a refreshing twist on the 'Harry magical love bond' trope.

there are far worse things than death

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I read that as Dumbledore chastising Voldemort for what he'd done to himself, not as a threat. Though I might be misremembering.

Unless she catches Draco in the act I don't think she'd try to kill him. Rather she'd look for a way to remove him as a threat by getting him expelled or something like that.

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Drought of Living Death him. Snape then just has to fulfill his oath-given obligation by brewing a 'will kill you after 1000 years' potion and dosing Dumbledore, as someone suggested. The only problem is that it burns Snape as a spy if he appears to circumvent his vow. So, you'd also need to fake Dumbledore's death.

 

[Ravenwood240]

His actions concerning placing Harry with his relatives, he honestly thought that Petunia would put aside her resentment and properly raise Harry, obviously, he was wrong, and he likely would've done something about it had Harry spoken up sooner about it, but Harry, not wanting to trouble others with his issues, never told anyone until it was too late to do anything about it.

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That would be nice to think, yeah, except that after the Ministry fight, Dumbledore straight up told Harry, "I knew I was sentencing you to ten hard years."

It was that comment that swung Dumbledore off the good guy list for me. The 'greatest' wizard alive, boss of this and that, headmaster, etc, can't find a better way than to aid and abet child abuse? Bullshit.

Want to know something horrible that might sour your opinions on human decency?

What occurred at the Dursleys behind closed doors was barely actionable (on paper) at the time the books were set in. And, in practice, wasn't something that the authorities would step in about in the UK. Child protection laws have evolved a lot since the early nineties.

Dudley beating on him? Boys will be boys.
The cupboard? Petty, but it fit a mattress in it.
Doing all the chores? Gotta earn his keep.
Over sized hand-me-downs from Dudley? Still clothes.
Limited meals? Kid wasn't starved just given crappy food.

Edit: Snape's vow would require him to follow through with finishing Draco's task for him if he disappeared. But I don't see Draco dying in ways Snape can't directly intervene in as breaking it.

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You're forgetting the 'frying pan swung at his head', which even then was a crime. And locking somebody in a cupboard for 'two or three days', also a crime.

Fencer, write Dumbledore the way you want; I may think he's a dirtbag, but that is less important than a well written character, and I think you'll make him interesting... even if you whitewash him so thoroughly sunlight shines out his arse.

As for the rest of the discussion: If Snape took the vow, he's screwed; the only way Draco will survive the school year is if he never talks to Taylor, or comes to her attention.

Think about it. Taylor is out of her world, worried about her friends, family and world, to the point that Molly can set her off.

Draco the canon whiny bitch? He's going to get slapped down hard the first time he tries shit, but he never learns, he just keeps coming back. This whiny little snob, who couldn't last a day in Brocton Bay, who just keeps on letting his mouth write checks his ass can't pay? Yeah, he'll try to throw a spell at Taylor's back or Harry's back, and Taylor will shoot him. (Not that I have an issue with that, I despise Canon Draco. The only problem is how much trouble Taylor's in for doing it.)

So, unless Snape pulls Draco out of Hogwarts before it gets to that point, he's not protecting him to the best of his ability.

Oh, wait...Voldie wants him there, Snape can't pull him out.

Yup, Snape's screwed.

Of course, that's a worst case scenario, Fencer might actually like the slimy snivelling snape.

But at the very least, I hope to see Taylor show him that Hermione's punch third year was down right nice. If said lesson involved tear gas, pepper spray or a baton, so much better. (Although, getting a serious beat down at the hands of a girl who can't even cast spells might jog his reality a bit more.)

I await Draco and Taylor's first meeting with much anticipation... Especially if Hermione calls him a bully, when Taylor asks for information on 'potential problems' at Hogwarts.

 

[Jaesten]

The problem with Dumbledore is the fact that the books changed as they went along. It went from an older children's series to a dark teen fantasy series and the shift in tone from halfway through book four went by without and thought put into the characters. Now the barmy old headmaster is manipulative bastard out of the blue for…reasons? The tonal shift is just jarring. Harry's suddenly a mistrustful asshole, Ron's also suddenly jealous of his best friend just for those several chapters of drama, then that's put on the back burner again for two books and then suddenly jealous again (this time I'd blame the Horocrux), everyone is blind to what's going on around them, the idiot ball is picked up, inflated, and is constantly exploding in everyone's faces.

The only person that doesn't change is Snape, who stays the same jackass throughout because he's Rowling's favourite character.

As someone mentioned, you can do Dumbledore one of two ways, as he was meant to be, or as he ended up being. The kindly and oddly dressed headmaster of a magic school, or the manipulative old bastard that shows up out of the blue with no rhyme or reason.