Harry Potter and the Skittering Spouse

[DualEquinox]

Or should I stay my original course and let Taylor get creative in her application of information the room of requirement can plausibly supply her. Honestly asking because for all Taylor's battlefield innovations and ability with people I don't think we ever see her jump into any kind of tech. Which doesn't necessarily mean she's incapable of such because she basically hit the ground running and never stopped.

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Personally I feel that using all resources available to get the best tech/gear possible to achive her objectives (in this case tracking Horcruxes) before embarking on an endeavour is perfectly in line with Taylors character. This is the same girl who made a Spidersilk Costume before her first night out as a rush job (her costume lacked the full extent of the armor paneling she planned, including protection for the back of her head) and then was repeatedly shown how (in her opinion) she still hadn't prepped enough.

Do you really think she is not going to be making sure she extracts every resource for every iota of performance and information to get her prep right this time around? For all Taylor's flaws, an underwhelming response to a percieved failure on her part most cetainly isn't one of them. Throw in that having Tattletale on her team most certainly showed her the value of information and I honestly feel like it would be out of character for her to not be exploiting the resources she has to ensure maxium preperation and informational advantage.

 

[p235711131719]

I think he just didn't have enough information in canon, between Molly and Fleur focusing on the wedding so much, and being out of the country for a lot of the time.

I never really got why Dumbles was so insistent on secrecy in canon either, it really would have helped so much to just talk to people. Seriously, if bonds with others are what makes Harry different from Voldemort (and going along with the wonky assumption that that's the only difference) why keep Harry isolated?

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For me it was weird mix of secrecy and complete non secrets. Like everyone in the Order knows Snape is their spy which is ridiculous. Snape should have a handler(probably Dumbledore) and maybe go to meetings with just the leaders who know occlumency like Moody. Not go to general meetings where housewives and shady unreliable criminals are there.

But then for the Horcruxes the only people who know seem to be Dumbles, Snape, Harry, Hermione, and Ron. Bill and Moody should have been told long before Ron and Hermione. It is a weird mix of secrecy and not caring at all about secrecy.

 

[YuffieK]

Yeah, if Taylor knows about what Bill does for a living, she'd definitely want to bring him in as an expert. Especially since Dumbledore has done everything he can to censor the knowledge of Horcruxes specifically.

That's coming back to bite him in his wrinkly arse in spades.

 

[Mr. Cloak]

Bill should know- if only because some of his coworkers should have horror stories to scare the newbies.

 

[kaosisreality]

Audience input time folks. Should Bill, as a curse breaker, know what Harry and Taylor are suggesting. If any profession was going to come with a warning about soul jars it's curse breaking. But he never seemed to suspect in canon. He could theoretically be useful in a few ways. Plausible reason to get the damn thing out of the vaults, hand wavy solution to tracking down all those yet to be found ala soul compass.

Or should I stay my original course and let Taylor get creative in her application of information the room of requirement can plausibly supply her. Honestly asking because for all Taylor's battlefield innovations and ability with people I don't think we ever see her jump into any kind of tech. Which doesn't necessarily mean she's incapable of such because she basically hit the ground running and never stopped.

I'm on the fence so feed me your thoughts that I might pick this apart from more angles please.

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I don't think Bill is familiar enough with "muggle" fairy tales to put it together from just what Harry and Taylor discussed in the meeting. Should he get curious and talk to them later, he should absolutely be able to put together the horcrux thing. But my personal pet theory is that Dumbledoore intentionally compartmentalized information which had the knock on effect of preventing people like Bill from putting the pieces together because Bill didn't have nearly enough of the picture to figure it out.

 

[Artilerath]

My thought is the concept in general would be something he's vaguely aware of, knows it's seriously bad news, but wouldn't really know how to do anything other than get it out of the trapped location without significant research.

 

[Fencer]

Personally I feel that using all resources available to get the best tech/gear possible to achive her objectives before embarking on an endeavour is perfectly in line with Taylors character. This is the same girl who made a Spidersilk Costume before her first night out as a rush job (her costume lacked the full extent of the armor paneling she planned, including protection for the back of her head) and then was repeatedly shown how (in her opinion) she still hadn't prepped enough.

Do you really think she is not going to be making sure she ekes every resource for every iota of performance and information to get her tech/gear right this time around? For all her flaws, an underwhelming response to a percieved failure on her part most cetainly isn't one of them. Throw in that having Tattletale on her team most certainly showed her the value of information and I honestly feel like it would be out of character for her to not be exploiting the resources she has to up gear/tech herself.

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You misunderstand my original plan was for Taylor to essentially master an esoteric and vague branch of magic with no teacher save books written in old english, over the course of months while occasionally doing something to ruin or end a death nibblers life.

Taylor is intelligent and driven but this would be a challenge for basically anyone and the shorter the time period used the harder it would become.

 

[Functionality]

Audience input time folks. Should Bill, as a curse breaker, know what Harry and Taylor are suggesting. If any profession was going to come with a warning about soul jars it's curse breaking. But he never seemed to suspect in canon. He could theoretically be useful in a few ways. Plausible reason to get the damn thing out of the vaults, hand wavy solution to tracking down all those yet to be found ala soul compass.

Or should I stay my original course and let Taylor get creative in her application of information the room of requirement can plausibly supply her. Honestly asking because for all Taylor's battlefield innovations and ability with people I don't think we ever see her jump into any kind of tech. Which doesn't necessarily mean she's incapable of such because she basically hit the ground running and never stopped.

I'm on the fence so feed me your thoughts that I might pick this apart from more angles please.

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Who is "Bill"? I haven't read harry potter, so I only know of the major characters.

 

[kaosisreality]

Who is "Bill"? I haven't read harry potter, so I only know of the major characters.

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Here you go:

William Weasley

William Arthur "Bill" Weasley (b. 29 November 1970) was an English pure-blood wizard, the first child of Arthur and Molly Weasley (née Prewett) and the eldest brother of Charlie, Percy, the late Fred, George, Ron, and Ginny. He attended Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry from 1982 to...

harrypotter.fandom.com

 

[edale]

Audience input time folks. Should Bill, as a curse breaker, know what Harry and Taylor are suggesting. If any profession was going to come with a warning about soul jars it's curse breaking. But he never seemed to suspect in canon. He could theoretically be useful in a few ways. Plausible reason to get the damn thing out of the vaults, hand wavy solution to tracking down all those yet to be found ala soul compass.

Or should I stay my original course and let Taylor get creative in her application of information the room of requirement can plausibly supply her. Honestly asking because for all Taylor's battlefield innovations and ability with people I don't think we ever see her jump into any kind of tech. Which doesn't necessarily mean she's incapable of such because she basically hit the ground running and never stopped.

I'm on the fence so feed me your thoughts that I might pick this apart from more angles please.

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I like the idea of Bill catching on to the Horocruxes, but... It would just be too contrived if it turns out Dumbledore just telling everyone in the order his beliefs would cause Bill to say "Hey, I know a way to track those!"

What I think would work best would be Bill picking up on what Dumbledore cut Taylor and Harry off from saying, and him talking to them on the side, giving them what information he has on Horcruxes and/or other soul-jar like things. I'd actually recommend this NOT be everything there is to know about them, but more general knowledge and/or rumors and maybe a spell to help detect them at close range (something like homenum revelio, but tuned to souls instead of humans; which likewise Voldemort may have put up protections against).

Let the conversation with Bill be something that rather than solving many of the problems, simply guides them in the right direction. He only has one piece of the puzzle, not the whole thing.

Actually... It would be great if Taylor got such pieces of the puzzle from *several* of the Order members. It's much less contrived to have all of the *highly specialized* wizards in the order able to come up with a solution when working together with all the knowledge, rather than Bill just popping out with "I can track those!" And bringing all those disjointed skills and knowledge together into an effective whole is exactly the type of thing that plays to QA's strengths.

Then use the Room of Requirements to let Taylor get that last vital bit of info that lets her tie everything together.

 

[Armiture]

I'm on the fence so feed me your thoughts that I might pick this apart from more angles please.

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One thing you need to keep in mind about Horcruxes is that as soon as he became Headmaster, Albus removed all references to the Horcrux from the Hogwarts library, so I think only Moody might be old enough to have read anything about the dark magic that is the Horcrux. IIRC in canon most people don't know anything about Horcruxes.

That said, there is no particular reason to choose just one path forward and make use of both in parallel. Taylor's let's do something proactive group can go after the DEs while the pacifist faction can support the plan to find a means of tracking down Riddle's Horcruxes and counterattack against DE attacks. Yes it splits their forces but I don't think the pacifists will be that useful on kidnapping and assassination missions.

My dos pesos, do as you wish, I'll enjoy reading your story no matter what you do.

 

[ShiftingSandLand]

I think the main reason Bill didn't suspect is because he didn't know that Voldemort was *actually dying*.

Most people would assume that if he came back, then it must mean he didn't die. Further, there are other methods of prolonging life and recovering from horrible injury, and probably a few ways to temporarily cheat death.

I think Bill could help a lot, mostly in how to identity and destroy horcruxes. Put that together with the knowledge that Slughorn and Dumbledore have, we can crack many of the horcruxes early, alebit not where they actually are.

There's even one in the house.

Further, you could justify searching the Vaults at Gringotts that way.

The Diadem, Nagini, and Harry (and isn't that going to be fucked) would be much harder to find. The key is that by pooling knowledge, they can probably determine that they're looking for the Founder's items at least, and trusted followers have been given some for safekeeping

Eventually, that will lead to the Slytherin Locket in the house (and Kreacher's joy), and it's not much of a stretch from there to search the Vaults. Not "seize", mind you, but search.

The Lestrange Vault will likely be seized, though. That's what ya get for tricking the Goblins into hiding horrifying soul artifacts for you.

 

[strictpig]

Should Bill, as a curse breaker, know what Harry and Taylor are suggesting.

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Bill not knowing about the Horcruxes has always been a personal pet peeve about the whole series. The knowledge of how to identify and destroy them seems like it should be common knowledge to curse breakers, especially since a old pharaoh could have used something in their personal stash of treasure as one.

I would even reason that they know of a way to destroy a horcrux without damaging the container, because of it the crown jewel of your expedition is cursed you can't sell it for as much.

 

[p235711131719]

One thing you need to keep in mind about Horcruxes is that as soon as he became Headmaster, Albus removed all references to the Horcrux from the Hogwarts library, so I think only Moody might be old enough to have read anything about the dark magic that is the Horcrux. IIRC in canon most people don't know anything about Horcruxes.

That said, there is no particular reason to choose just one path forward and make use of both in parallel. Taylor's let's do something proactive group can go after the DEs while the pacifist faction can support the plan to find a means of tracking down Riddle's Horcruxes and counterattack against DE attacks. Yes it splits their forces but I don't think the pacifists will be that useful on kidnapping and assassination missions.

My dos pesos, do as you wish, I'll enjoy reading your story no matter what you do.

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Yes but the Hogwarts library is not the only source of such information. I would be surprised if the Black Library does not contain some information somewhere about them. And Gringotts likely has its own records of encountering such things before.

 

[DualEquinox]

You misunderstand my original plan was for Taylor to essentially master an esoteric and vague branch of magic with no teacher save books written in old english, over the course of months while occasionally doing something to ruin or end a death nibblers life.

Taylor is intelligent and driven but this would be a challenge for basically anyone and the shorter the time period used the harder it would become.

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She had no background in any armour design, costume creation, how to create fabric weaves and stitches or the other dozens of skills needed to create her first night gear either but got herself to the point of designing that costume in what a monnth or two tops? She has demonstrated an ability to go from complete novice to proficiency in several areas she has no prior experience in, in an extremely short period of time, while juggling many other commitments such as highschool and exercising.

Ergo, I believe Taylor has a very good proficiency for performing the learning necessary to achieve her goals when motivated. The rest was just showing why she would be extremely motivated and how her prior experiences would lead to her laser focusing on this type of study to an even greater degree than she did in that instance thus accelerating that learning curve. Throw in some creative abuse of her multitasking (and I certainly have ideas how to do that) and I don't think it is that unachieveable.

 

[Lycanthromancer]

Bill works for Gringotts, and he's apparently highly respected, even amongst the goblins. If Bill were to report that they had one of the Dark Lord's horcruxes in one of their vaults, what would be their response? It's a MASSIVE security breach, if nothing else, given what those are and what they can do. Hell, the diary was sapient and could interact with the outside world in a few ways, including casting spells. Would the goblins see the sanctity of their deals above the security of their vaults, or the other way around? Because I could see them getting absolutely pissed that one of their clients is storing such volatile, dangerous, and insecure items in their vault. It's almost assuredly against goblin law, as well as whatever contract was signed to open the vault, and it wouldn't surprise me if they brought in their best and brightest to secure, test, and destroy the thing, and likely confiscate the rest of the vault entirely as a fine. And depending on the method of destruction, it could cause Moldyfarts some serious problems. Sympathetic magic, anyone?

 

[sunsunsunsunsun]

One thing you need to keep in mind about Horcruxes is that as soon as he became Headmaster, Albus removed all references to the Horcrux from the Hogwarts library, so I think only Moody might be old enough to have read anything about the dark magic that is the Horcrux. IIRC in canon most people don't know anything about Horcruxes.

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Because Hogwarts is the only wizarding school on the planet, and the Hogwarts Library is the only source of magical knowledge in Britain. It's not like all these ancient pureblood houses have been hoarding magical knowledge for centuries.

 

[Armiture]

Yes but the Hogwarts library is not the only source of such information. I would be surprised if the Black Library does not contain some information somewhere about them. And Gringotts likely has its own records of encountering such things before.

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You do realize that both of the libraries you mentioned are not open to the general magical public. Other dark families might have books about Horcruxes but they are not about to share such dark tomes nilly-willy with the general magical public either.

Do you seriously think the Goblins would share a book about Horcruxes with the wizards they despise? Unless a lot of galleons exchanged hands and few would be willing to pay an exorbitant amount of galleons just to satisfy their curiosity.

 

[edale]

Bill works for Gringotts, and he's apparently highly respected, even amongst the goblins. If Bill were to report that they had one of the Dark Lord's horcruxes in one of their vaults, what would be their response? It's a MASSIVE security breach, if nothing else, given what those are and what they can do. Hell, the diary was sapient and could interact with the outside world in a few ways, including casting spells. Would the goblins see the sanctity of their deals above the security of their vaults, or the other way around? Because I could see them getting absolutely pissed that one of their clients is storing such volatile, dangerous, and insecure items in their vault. It's almost assuredly against goblin law, as well as whatever contract was signed to open the vault, and it wouldn't surprise me if they brought in their best and brightest to secure, test, and destroy the thing, and likely confiscate the rest of the vault entirely as a fine. And depending on the method of destruction, it could cause Moldyfarts some serious problems. Sympathetic magic, anyone?

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I remember a fic where Gringotts found out about the Horcrux, and evicted him for lack of paying rent.

They would have been fine with it if Voldemort had bothered getting a proper contract.

(Goblins don't believe in "squatter's rights")

 

[p235711131719]

You do realize that both of the libraries you mentioned are not open to the general magical public. Other dark families might have books about Horcruxes but they are not about to share such dark tomes nilly-willy with the general magical public either.

Do you seriously think the Goblins would share a book about Horcruxes with the wizards they despise? Unless a lot of galleons exchanged hands and few would be willing to pay an exorbitant amount of galleons just to satisfy their curiosity.

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I was trying to make the point that just because Dumbles took all the books out of the Hogwarts library doesn't mean that nobody who attended Hogwarts after that won't know about them. I was saying there were other sources of such information for people to learn it even if most of the public wont know it.

Basically I am saying there should be people who are aware of it despite Dumbledore's actions even if the number is quite low.

 

[CrovaxII]

I remember a fic where Gringotts found out about the Horcrux, and evicted him for lack of paying rent.

They would have been fine with it if Voldemort had bothered getting a proper contract.

(Goblins don't believe in "squatter's rights")

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Do you have a link to the fic? That sounds absolutely hilarious.

 

[Hexcalibur]

Yeah, Bill should know about it. I think that in canon, Bill was never informed about what they're dealing with. The Order's information security was atrocious, people who shouldn't know about something, do. While those who needs to know, doesn't.

 

[edale]

Do you have a link to the fic? That sounds absolutely hilarious.

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Sadly, while I remember the scene, I can't remember anything else about the fic, so I'm unlikely to be able to track it down.

 

[Fireball900]

I was trying to make the point that just because Dumbles took all the books out of the Hogwarts library doesn't mean that nobody who attended Hogwarts after that won't know about them. I was saying there were other sources of such information for people to learn it even if most of the public wont know it.

Basically I am saying there should be people who are aware of it despite Dumbledore's actions even if the number is quite low.

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While true, i don't think the Order's members, with the exception of Moody and possibly any other Aurors or similar, are the type to read through said books on horcruxes for leisure/passive research.

I can see Dumbledore having requested the ability to go through said libraries for info on horcruxes though (without saying the word horcruxes).

 

[kklusmeier]

But he never seemed to suspect in canon.

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This is because he was kept entirely in the dark in canon because Dumbledore is constitutionally incapable of believing people will make decent choices if fully informed. Herpo the Foul is literally famous for two things- Basilisks and Horcruxes. Everyone learns about basilisks in DADA, and I'm betting that every curse-breaker learns about Horcruxes (not necessarily how to make them, but definitely how to detect them, make them safe for handling, and probably destroy them).