Harry Potter and the Skittering Spouse

"Not if we're the enemy." Taylor answered flatly. "Though you might have a point, it would be better to dose you with a truth potion and get names and locations before killing you." Taylor shrugged. "Of course, that would only help if this bunch is willing to start assassinating the opposition."
I think something more akin to "putting down the rabid wolves trying to kill us all" would be a bit more effective. "Assassinate" is a word that makes them seem legitimate, whereas "put them down" and "rabid wolves" is phrasing that identifies them as the subversive anarchist terrorist group they really are.

Also, that first bit should be a comma, not a period. Dialogue Mechanics: Punctuation and Attribution
 
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I think something more akin to "putting down the rabid wolves trying to kill us all" would be a bit more effective. "Assassinate" is a word that makes them seem legitimate, whereas "put them down" makes them out to be the anarchist terrorist group they really are.
I think that Taylor just generally has the idea of legitimacy rather skewed in her head. i.e. she sees no real difference between the two besides who is currently in power.
 
I think that Taylor just generally has the idea of legitimacy rather skewed in her head. i.e. she sees no real difference between the two besides who is currently in power.
Yes, but she's playing for an audience. She knows how PR works and is working the crowd here. Phrasing that makes them feel like they're fighting against rabid animals needing to be put down, gets into their headspace, and makes them feel like they're doing a good thing. It also encourages them to start actually dealing with the problem in a final manner, rather than the catch-and-release program they've been doing.
 
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Yes, but she's playing for an audience. She knows how PR works and is working the crowd here. Phrasing that makes them feel like they're fighting against rabid animals needing to be put down gets into their headspace and makes them feel like they're doing a good thing. It also encourages them to start actually dealing with the problem in a final manner, rather than the catch-and-release program they've been doing.
Eh, it might be counterproductive when you consider the specific audience. They might react with revulsion when faced with dehumanization rather than go along with it.
 
Eh, it might be counterproductive when you consider the specific audience. They might react with revulsion when faced with dehumanization rather than go along with it.
You think outright saying they're assassinating people is going to be better than putting them down? Death Eaters act worse than rabid animals, killing and tormenting indiscriminately, just because it's fun. I don't think describing them as such is particularly inaccurate. And describing it as assassination gives them a legitimacy that they don't (and shouldn't) have.
 
You think outright saying they're assassinating people is going to be better than putting them down? Death Eaters act worse than rabid animals, killing and tormenting indiscriminately, just because it's fun. I don't think describing them as such is particularly inaccurate. And describing it as assassination gives them a legitimacy that they don't (and shouldn't) have.
Yeah, I do think that it would be better. Because, as you said, she's playing to an audience. And the audience has refused to admit that their own society's people can be monsters time and time and time again, with only select individuals getting to lose the "human" quality.

Whether or not they deserve to be treated as rabid animals, the British Wizarding Society, and these specific individuals within it, adamantly refuse to accept dehumanization as a concept and if she uses it, it might turn them against Taylor.
 
So Taylor can control doxies and she's hoping she can control acromantulas. Is there any other magical bugs or bug-like critters she could be on the look out for? Glancing through the insect tag on the Harry Potter wiki unfortunately only produces a bunch of bugs invented by the games, so I doubt they'll be making an appearance.
 
Yeah, I do think that it would be better. Because, as you said, she's playing to an audience. And the audience has refused to admit that their own society's people can be monsters time and time and time again, with only select individuals getting to lose the "human" quality.

Whether or not they deserve to be treated as rabid animals, the British Wizarding Society, and these specific individuals within it, adamantly refuse to accept dehumanization as a concept and if she uses it, it might turn them against Taylor.
Then she needs to find someone else to back, because they're just going to get themselves and everyone else killed (or worse). They refuse to actually fight or do anything at all useful. These are monsters that need to be destroyed. They gleefully feed innocent people, including children, to soul-eating abominations. And imprisoning them clearly won't work, given how much they've corrupted an already unstable and horrible system.

It takes a certain amount of dehumanization to fight in a war to kill the enemy, otherwise you end up with psychological breakdowns at the worst times, leading to fighters getting captured or killed. It's basic wartime psychology. The catch-and-release program they've got going only gets more innocent civilians slaughtered, in both the short and the long term.

Plus, they think torturing prisoners for years on end is perfectly fine, via Azkaban. They already dehumanize people. And most of them do the same for non-magical people, as well. That's exactly what Taylor has been pushing against, after all.

So why not turn that to her purposes? It's not like dehumanizing others isn't in their natures already.
 
Then she needs to find someone else to back, because they're just going to get themselves and everyone else killed (or worse). They refuse to actually fight or do anything at all useful. These are monsters that need to be destroyed. They gleefully feed innocent people, including children, to soul-eating abominations. And imprisoning them clearly won't work, given how much they've corrupted an already unstable and horrible system.

It takes a certain amount of dehumanization to fight in a war to kill the enemy, otherwise you end up with psychological breakdowns at the worst times, leading to fighters getting captured or killed. It's basic wartime psychology. The catch-and-release program they've got going only gets more innocent civilians slaughtered, in both the short and the long term.

Plus, they think torturing prisoners for years on end is perfectly fine, via Azkaban. They already dehumanize people. And most of them do the same for non-magical people, as well. That's exactly what Taylor has been pushing against, after all.

So why not turn that to her purposes? It's not like dehumanizing others isn't in their natures already.
Thing is: I don't think there's anyone else to back. Moody, the newly traumatized Harry, maybe Amelia Bones in charge of the Aurors, but that's about it.

As for Azkaban: I think you are mistaken about what they're actually doing. They're not dehumanizing those that are put into Azkaban. They ignore them. Hell, arguably they forget them. Wizarding Society, or at least the British one, seems to react to stuff like this by sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring that anything bad happens. Hell, it can be argued that this is exactly what they're doing with Voldemort as well, trying hard to pretend that he never existed, and what they've done with Grindelwald as well. So it's either "They are human and deserve human treatment" or "They don't exist lalala can't hear you".
 
Thing is: I don't think there's anyone else to back. Moody, the newly traumatized Harry, maybe Amelia Bones in charge of the Aurors, but that's about it.

As for Azkaban: I think you are mistaken about what they're actually doing. They're not dehumanizing those that are put into Azkaban. They ignore them. Hell, arguably they forget them. Wizarding Society, or at least the British one, seems to react to stuff like this by sticking their heads in the sand and ignoring that anything bad happens. Hell, it can be argued that this is exactly what they're doing with Voldemort as well, trying hard to pretend that he never existed, and what they've done with Grindelwald as well. So it's either "They are human and deserve human treatment" or "They don't exist lalala can't hear you".
Except they're trapping them in literal hell on earth. You don't do that to people you empathize or sympathize with. You do that to things you don't think are worthy of any actual effort beyond the minimum, and you don't find them to be worth the consideration it takes to not completely destroy them on a psychological and emotional level. Just putting up some anti-teleportation wards and taking away their wands would be enough to subdue the vast majority of magicals, but no, they had to stuff them in the worst hell they could manage without putting in too much effort.
 
Except they're trapping them in literal hell on earth. You don't do that to people you empathize or sympathize with. You do that to things you don't think are worthy of any actual effort beyond the minimum, and you don't find them to be worth the consideration it takes to not completely destroy them on a psychological and emotional level. Just putting up some anti-teleportation wards and taking away their wands would be enough to subdue the vast majority of magicals, but no, they had to stuff them in the worst hell they could manage without putting in too much effort.
Because, again: they don't empathize with them. But neither do they dehumanize them. Because that would require them to be treated as anything.

As far as people are concerned, they disappear from their consciousness, as if they never existed. They just DON'T THINK about them.
 
Because, again: they don't empathize with them. But neither do they dehumanize them. Because that would require them to be treated as anything.

As far as people are concerned, they disappear from their consciousness, as if they never existed. They just DON'T THINK about them.
Which is dehumanizing. People are worthy of consideration, of remembering. A thing is stuffed in a drawer and forgotten about.

Really says something about the USA's criminal justice system, honestly.
 
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Which is dehumanizing. People are worthy of consideration, of remembering. A thing is stuffed in a drawer and forgotten about.
Except it leads to a very, very different reaction than proper dehumanization.

Wizarding Society either tries to treat them as a human worthy of respect, or tries to forget they even exist. They do not accept "Treat them as a rabid animal" as an option. And as such, they either treat an enemy as a duelist of equal standing, with rules even if the opponent refuses to follow them, or they try to ignore they exist and hope they go away on their own.
 
Except it leads to a very, very different reaction than proper dehumanization.

Wizarding Society either tries to treat them as a human worthy of respect, or tries to forget they even exist. They do not accept "Treat them as a rabid animal" as an option.
But they do accept "throwing them in a mortal hell," "killing them out of hand," "sucking their souls out so they're denied an afterlife," and "throwing them in the Veil of Death" to be perfectly fine.

Also, Taylor can back Harry, who has his own faction. They're students, but they can match fully-fledged Death Eaters, as has been proven previously.
 
But they do accept "throwing them in a mortal hell," "killing them out of hand," "sucking their souls out so they're denied an afterlife," and "throw them in the Veil of Death" to be perfectly fine.
Yeah. Because they ignore that all of that is a thing as well and put it out of their mind. They don't think about things that might cause them mental distress to such a degree.

It even extends to everything to do with the Stature. They found dealing with non-magicals to be too stressful and possibly caused them issues. So instead of dealing with that and making things better they just hid, both metaphorically and literally.
 
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Yeah. Because they ignore that all of that is a thing as well and put it out of their mind. They don't think about things that might cause them mental distress to such a degree.
And yet they don't decry them when they're brought to the forefront of attention. It doesn't particularly bother them. They're not fighting against it. They just let that kind of thing happen, because the people it's being done to aren't people, to them. If it were them or someone they cared about, they'd rail against it, but people they don't know aren't people, just like statistics you read about in the paper aren't people; they're just numbers.

Yes, it's dehumanizing for the people suffering those things, and yes, the people in The Order already do that. A lot. Just gotta get them to see the monsters they're fighting against in a similar or worse light.
 
And yet they don't decry them when they're brought to the forefront of attention. It doesn't particularly bother them. They're not fighting against it. They just let that kind of thing happen, because the people it's being done to aren't people, to them. If it were them or someone they cared about, they'd rail against it, but people they don't know aren't people, just like statistics you read about in the paper aren't people; they're just numbers.

Yes, it's dehumanizing for the people suffering those things, and yes, the people in The Order already do that. A lot. Just gotta get them to see the monsters they're fighting against in a similar or worse light.
I don't think we'll agree about this, because the specifics of HOW they dehumanize people don't lead to decisive action, it leads to trying to scoot away from them and hope that they don't notice them. They habitually ignore issues rather than doing anything about them, and when they are forced to deal with them they immediately put it out of their mind and pretend it never happened.

But unless forced they'll never deal with it unless it fits into their views of what's "acceptable". And that's why they give away second chances like cookies, unless the involved person just kinda slips through the cracks in the chaos of "OH GOD WE'RE FORCED TO DO THINGS ABOUT THIS AND WE DON'T LIKE IT" like Sirius did, which happened basically by accident.
 
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I don't think we'll agree about this, because the specifics of HOW they dehumanize people don't lead to decisive action, it leads to trying to scoot away from them and hope that they don't notice them. They habitually ignore issues rather than doing anything about them, and when they are forced to deal with them they immediately put it out of their mind and pretend it never happened.

But unless forced they'll never deal with it unless it fits into their views of what's "acceptable". And that's why they give away second chances like cookies, unless the relevant person just kinda slips through the cracks like Sirius did.
And if that's the case, then Harry and Taylor should go their own way and start their own faction, because they cannot win with soldiers who refuse to fight.
 
*pokes head into thread*

Oh my, discourse! Boy howdy I sure do love the smell of pointless internet arguments in the morning.

Moving on to more productive discussions: are there any cute looking magic insects in the Harry Potter universe? I am cooking up a fluff omake where Taylor and Harry relax by playing around with cute insects.
 
Moving on to more productive discussions: are there any cute looking magic insects in the Harry Potter universe? I am cooking up a fluff omake where Taylor and Harry relax by playing around with cute insects.
Magic makes things more messy, but doxies, pixies, and fairies might all be considered 'bugs' by Taylor's power (though they're humanoid)... Recall it also works on crabs, and worms, neither of which are insects...
 
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Moving on to more productive discussions: are there any cute looking magic insects in the Harry Potter universe? I am cooking up a fluff omake where Taylor and Harry relax by playing around with cute insects.
Here's what I could dig up from the Fantastic Beast book and some of the video games:
Glumbumbles, Billywigs, Imperial Dragonflies, Earwigs, Death's-Head Hawk Moths, Vampyr Mosps, Lacewing Flies, Fire Crabs, Flobberworms, Chizpurfle, and Streelers (Do snails count?)

The issue being not many magical insects (or things QA qualifies as insects) would fall under the cute category. Maybe fairies if you want to stretch the definition, but considering how much Taylor 'knew' about the magical world from Muggle fiction, would she really start messing with fae?
 
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Not necessarily. I haven't seen any like this, but I can imagine a fanfic that either a) fleshes out a character that was relatively or completely flat in canon, or b) presents additional context and/or scenes that the author feels would have improved canon if they had been included, without ever deviating from the canon storyline.

They are a thing, or at least used to be. They are more common in fandoms where the source material is something other then written as converting it to the written word for a fanfiction necessitates taking a look into the motivations of characters just to get their inner voice right. You also get the rare comedy story of the final thoughts of random mook #32 leading up to getting defeated by the hero casually tearing through minions before facing the final boss.

I kinda miss them actually, effectively reading canon from a different point of view was an interesting story and for the author great practice in determining character motivations to drive certain actions. Would love to see it return in popularity as the whole "Everyone is the hero of their own story" is a thing for a reason and a good thing to keep in mind as an author to keep the side characters more realistic instead of caricatures.
 
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