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Harry Potter and the Skittering Spouse

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Darwin Candidate said:
If Wormtail had gotten the incantation wrong, then I could see problems occurring, but Harry saying "go ahead take it" would not make the ingredient any less the blood of an enemy, forcibly taken. In fact, an attempt to actively sabotage the ritual would only verify Harry's status as an enemy.
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If you want an interpretation

Blood of an enemy, forcibly taken, can be seen as connotations of conquest, of hatred, victory, pain, etc.

Blood of an enemy, willingly given, can have connotations of forgiveness, spite, mercy, subversion, etc.

You are correct that Harry will always be his enemy regardless. The important part in this theoretical is if the blood is taken or given.
We even have a canon example of this phenomenon in unicorns. Willingly given it can do wonderous things, but forcibly taken and it curses you.

Like mistaking salt for sugar when baking a cookie.(this analogy would probably work better with mixing up two different types of flour in a recipe)
 
I've also seen one other weird way for the ritual to fail that was somewhat interesting in execution.

For one reason or another, Harry ended up undead at some point of the story. It was disguised with magic and he might've not even been aware of it, but when the time for the ritual came, it turned out that he just... doesn't have any blood anymore. Just dust.
 
FictionPack said:
If you want an interpretation

Blood of an enemy, forcibly taken, can be seen as connotations of conquest, of hatred, victory, pain, etc.

Blood of an enemy, willingly given, can have connotations of forgiveness, spite, mercy, subversion, etc.

You are correct that Harry will always be his enemy regardless. The important part in this theoretical is if the blood is taken or given.
We even have a canon example of this phenomenon in unicorns. Willingly given it can do wonderous things, but forcibly taken and it curses you.

Like mistaking salt for sugar when baking a cookie.(this analogy would probably work better with mixing up two different types of flour in a recipe)
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All that's fine, but again, Harry quickly blurting out "go ahead take it" after Wormtail incanted his intent to use Harry's blood would be an attempt to sabotage the ritual. That would only reinforce that Harry is an enemy actively working towards Tom's downfall, so it would certainly not change the nature of the blood being taken.

EDIT: And again, I must stress that Harry's circumstances included a broken leg, a skull-shattering migraine (centered on his scar), he'd just witnessed a schoolmate and dare I say friend die in front of him, and he was still working on where am I and what happened? when the headache and the murder rather distracted him, so he barely knows what the hell is going on.

As such, thinking of this "go ahead take it" tactic and putting it into play in the few seconds between Wormtail uttering the incantation and stabbing him is just a bit much to ask of a fourteen year old boy. Even if it could have worked, it's a bit ridiculous to blame him for not using that plan.
 
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Darwin Candidate said:
All that's fine, but again, Harry quickly blurting out "go ahead take it" after Wormtail incanted his intent to use Harry's blood would be an attempt to sabotage the ritual. That would only reinforce that Harry is an enemy actively working towards Tom's downfall, so it would certainly not change the nature of the blood being taken.
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The crux of the matter is not his status as an enemy, as I stated.
In any case, I simply disagree, so let's leave it at that.
 
FictionPack said:
The crux of the matter is not his status as an enemy, as I stated.
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Which is why I specified that in this scenario Harry is an enemy actively working towards Tom's downfall, which firmly places him in the first of the two categories you specified in you interpretation. It would be an act of "conquest, hatred, victory, pain, etc." rather than "forgiveness, spite, mercy, subversion, etc.".
FictionPack said:
In any case, I simply disagree, so let's leave it at that.
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I'm willing to agree to disagree, but making a final argument and then immediately trying to shut down the discussion is arguing in bad faith.
 
Darwin Candidate said:
I'm willing to agree to disagree, but making a final argument and then immediately trying to shut down the discussion is arguing in bad faith.
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Calling a clarifying sentence a final argument is bad faith.
You responded about how it makes Harry an enemy, when that wasn't even the point of my post and I even said his status as an enemy doesn't change.
Then you respond with this paragraph, which rather implies you aren't willing to 'agree to disagree' as you made a 'final argument'.
 
FictionPack said:
Calling a clarifying sentence a final argument is bad faith.
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I simply disagree (that your "clarifying sentence" wasn't an argument), let's leave it at that.
FictionPack said:
You responded about how it makes Harry an enemy, when that wasn't even the point of my post and I even said his status as an enemy doesn't change.
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I responded about how Harry making an insincere statement of generosity in a desperate attempt to sabotage the ritual wouldn't actually successfully sabotage the ritual.
FictionPack said:
Then you respond with this paragraph, which rather implies you aren't willing to 'agree to disagree' as you made a 'final argument'.
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I'm not the one who tried to shut down any further discussion. If you had said you disagree, let's leave it at that without also slipping in a final argument, that would have been the end of it.
 
@Darwin Candidate @FictionPack
Guys, It is not arguing in bad faith to try and end an argument.

At some point someone has to be the first to say, "agree to disagree." or "I'm no longer going to argue." It doesn't matter who, or when, or if they throw a last argument or comment. It also doesn't mean that the person they have been having an argument with can't also throw a final argument or comment and then also agree to disagree at the end of that post.

At that point each of person has said a last thing, each has agreed to disagree, and the argument can be considered closed. Continuing beyond that point really is starting to take it too far and not respecting someone's wishes to stop and can be taken as arguing in bad faith. Just a thought.
 
All this Dumbledore had to do was explain "I don't know where all the horcruxes are but the ones we have found were in items and places Tom thought were significant so I'm giving you his whole story not just the summary because it you're looking for them you never know what small details or vibes will be important for finding a lead." Even just that but if reaching out and meeting in the middle would have helped but he just couldn't do it, something in himself just blocks that.

Amazingly written :D

Fencer said:
"How are you so certain my plans are flawed if you don't know them?" Dumbledore asked
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Because no plan survives contact with the enemy.

One of Taylor's biggest strengths is improvisation in the moment, if nobody knows the plan they can't improvise to keep it on track when it inevitably goes off the rails.

Blaflaix said:
Not to mention that someone might figure out a way to track them or hack the mark now that they are back in play.
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My favorite with that was a oneshot where Hermione took Shape's mark, hooked it up to a dementor or something and use that to kill all the linked death eaters and all of Voldemort's horcruxes (since it was his magic connecting them).

Aineko said:
I assume there's warlord skitter time loop fics somewhere, but I think I haven't actually seen any? Peggy Sue, some, but not full time loop.
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I've only seen 2 Worm time loops, one with Vista, one with Bakuda (the Bakuda one had a side story where Dragon got looped instead and saved the world by seducing all the Tinkers).

SuspiciousBird said:
Given it's a Worm crossover, would this imply an Entity gave the Wizarding World magic for Data(TM)?
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If I ever want to explain the mechanics of HP magic ina story I think I'd go with it being granted by some eldritch entity. It explains why the words and motions are needed, it's like punching in a command line command into a computer, and why "researching" new ones is so dangerous.

CovertCloud said:
I also like the idea that there's some kind of luck magic woven into hogwarts, because it explains so much of the lucky breaks that everyone survives with throughout the series.
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One story I read had it so there was no curse on the DADA teacher at all it was just where that spell dumped all the bad luck the luck protection built up. After Dumbledore fixed that he never revealed where he sent the bad luck but considering how Voldemort died ignobly off screen it might have been at him.

parnary said:
Remember kids, if someone writes something mean and libelous about you in the paper, it's okay to torture them for a while and then threaten them with more.
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It wasn't just "something mean" it was stochastic terrorism. She was attacked because of those lies.

parnary said:
It's not inciting it, it's libel. You're not liable for what other people do unless you make it clear it should be done/want it to happen/tell people to do it.
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Legally maybe not but morally Stochastic Terrorism is on the person doing the writing not just the person acting on it. It's why Radio Rwanda is giving a big chunk of the blame for the genocide there.

Lycanthromancer said:
That's unfortunate.

Usually, people die when they are killed.
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He was only 'mostly' dead. :D
 
Bobismeisbob said:
My favorite with that was a oneshot where Hermione took Shape's mark, hooked it up to a dementor or something and use that to kill all the linked death eaters and all of Voldemort's horcruxes (since it was his magic connecting them).
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That's an MPPi story, she used it as the power source for a waste energy generator and waited until it sucked all the power out of voldy and his eaters. it was eh.
 
Ignoring your assertions that torture is okay if it's against journalists who write lies about you (because that's terrorism according to every dictator ever, and therefore means torture is cool)


Bobismeisbob said:
If I ever want to explain the mechanics of HP magic ina story I think I'd go with it being granted by some eldritch entity. It explains why the words and motions are needed, it's like punching in a command line command into a computer, and why "researching" new ones is so dangerous.
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I've really wanted a pre-GM worm crossover with magic where Scion kool-aid mans himself through to the other dimension halfway through the story because magic is the answer that his species has been looking for and nothing could possibly matter more to him than vivisecting it. Like, the cycle is explicitly irrelevant if they have the answer, so him popping over to DC or HPland or whatever is totally in character and hilarious
 
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Bobismeisbob said:
My favorite with that was a oneshot where Hermione took Shape's mark, hooked it up to a dementor or something and use that to kill all the linked death eaters and all of Voldemort's horcruxes (since it was his magic connecting them).
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Is this the one you meant? It's an 11 chapter story in ffnet, but is like your description.

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Voldemort & Death Eaters are killed in chapter 2.
second edit: above line
 
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Bobismeisbob said:
No, the one I was thinking of was an MP3.145player snippet. Can't find it again though.
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I think I remember reading this sometime back... IIRC it's a Hermione snip, I'll go look for it

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I'm too tired to try and dig through literal tons of mppi Wordz™ to try and find it... but from what I remember, Hermione basically chopped off Snape's arm for the Dark Mark, used one of Amy's oneshots to regenerate the arm, then connected the arm to one of the EDM flywheels to try and draw out the magic from the Mark, which ended up unaliving a whole dang lot of Riddle's supporters, hidden and otherwise
 
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