[HALP] me! (WORM quest)

Minor concern, but still. Carmen Sandiego apparently appeared in 85, which is close enough after Scion that it might still be a recognizable edutainment franchise.

Possibly. But if needed, it may be explained as a cosplay or some cape geeking (retro style from 85), because I suspect this kind of a thing in superhero/supervillain setting must be pretty popular.

Honestly if someone wants to offer something less eyecatching, I may as well vote for it. But I suspect we will shapeshift pretty often anyway, so it's not that relevant I think.

But permanently pretending to be a teenager, or trying to be Taylor and co's freind while presenting as a teenager is creepy. That's not what we're doing right now but I could see it leading into it.

The way I personally see it is we will:

A) Meet her once, explain more important things in person, forget about her and move on. I think at this point she prefers to do things solo (bad interactions with other people) and pretty sure she will team up with Claire and Lilac anyway, so we don't need to be close. This is my preferable option. I prefer to do our own thing, while our hosts do their own.

B) We set up specific schedule (like one per month) where we meet up with her and/or potential people she allied with, while we mostly work outside of Brockton Bay and move on.

Otherwise I agree that 'babying' her or even worse 'we pretend to be her saviour' is NOT something I want to do and I suspect first she could take as insulting.

Taylor is a minor part of this Quest. She's a subplot. She has nothing to do with the win conditions unless we force her to be part of them, which will also likely make her life even worse. Everyone is very focused on feeding into her own power obsession, so she can find self-worth only in her powers and being a hero, but don't give any consideration to the fact it's all escapism and she's avoiding the real problems in her life.

This is why I mentioned few times recently that we may literally fix things on our own, while we simply observe and experiment with some things. I personally like shard shenanigans best here. I want to experiment and try some things. I want to see as many power options as possible, also on street level, and have fun with them. Like that whole 'Greg is Batman' idea. Taylor for me is the same.

Also 2 chapters ago (or was it one?) I was like the only person who mentioned that we can try to keep Taylor the way she is or keep her on street level. Pretty much no one agreed with me, because honestly Taylor needs more psychological help then feeding her fantasies (I also mentioned that, but after so many months no wonder most of us forgot). It's not a complaint before you say it. I'm fine with turning her into powerhouse, but it will also have consequences. But I'm fine mostly with it, because I'm curious how it will turn out, not because of some specific care for Taylor as a character. AS LONG as power option is versatile and interesting to play/toy with.

But I also think that there is more then enough overpowered Taylors in this fandom that seeing 'street level' one would be actually more interesting to me. Heck, one of my favourite stories with Taylor are those where she has no powers or they are very low key. Because as I said - life of a parahuman is a very brutal and nasty lifestyle.

Yeah, casualty chance is possibly radically reduced if we give her really strong power, but it opens up different can of worms. When you operate on A-S rank level, everyone instinctively is afraid of you. You are involved in high level politics no matter what happens, which some people may simply despise. No one will ever leave you unless you brute force it and in this case you at best alone or people that work under you may either by too loyal to you (aka fanatics, so no real friendship here is possible) or you can't really trust them. This is IMO a fate of someone who has too much power in his or her hands. It's a lonely existence unless there are other who can equal you in power and in this case betrayal may always happen.

I just want to get our Research reward from ADC, pop a few research issues, deal with Noelle, and move on with dealing with Shard business.

I also would prefer to stick to shard business first and foremost.
 
I updated the "Prologue Part 12 - Evening" chapter with the requested New Wave chunk - for people that don't want to parse the chapter, here is the (updated, even) text:

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[MPF->On] [Hello, Light Forge]

Light Forge - [ADMINISTRATOR/LOGIN]

[Report - Host]

Light Forge - [COMPLIANCE]

Okay, well. . . You thought Sophia's Conflict Drive was a bit high, but Carol's is on a whole other level. In fact, it's got an automated raising system that seems to show it's been slowly cranking it up for over a decade.

[Completion] [MPF->Off]

Well, that was a thing. It looks like it's been slowly ramping her conflict drive for over a decade. Because she's not getting enough conflict. It seems being a mother and lawyer leaves little time for being a Cape. Although actually her amount of data collection has been going down over time, probably from her driving the rest of New Wave away from her by her ...attitude.

Well, you have a solution for that, thanks to Sophia. That explains her, though, her Shard has pushed her to such lengths she's basically seeing everything as a fight and is being combative about every aspect of her life.

[MPF->On] [Hello, Incendiary]

Incendiary - [...administrator/login]

[Report - Host]

Incendiary - [...compliance] [...information/all]

[Completion] [MPF->Off]

Okay, good news. Flashbang's depression is entirely biological, but is easily controlled by medication. Medication he's voluntarily not taking because Carol's combativeness ramped up to levels of physical abuse back when he first started showing this as an issue. Judging by both sets of data, it's likely because it was seen as a three against one situation.

So he stops taking his meds, the united front collapses, and she steps down to just being bitchy. And he was okay with this. . . Because he knows Victoria isn't his, and if he tried to get the kids out of that situation he'd never get custody of her. Okay, you can kind of respect him trying to shield the kids from things.

Especially since his Shard was pushing him to protect the new Buds' Hosts. And keep Mark's Combat Drive off. Because. . . QA told him to when she took most of his data. In fact, looking at how the data is set up, and a review of recent uptick in drama, Incendiary seems to be of the opinion that it's Host is being sacrificed to cause more conflict for the others and the fact it was left without enough information to Bud is taken as a sign it's been marked for termination at the end of the cycle.

No wonder it's so despondent when communicating with us.

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Well, at least it's good to know that the situation is as bad as we thought. That's something, right?
 
You thought Sophia's Conflict Drive was a bit high, but Carol's is on a whole other level. In fact, it's got an automated raising system that seems to show it's been slowly cranking it up for over a decade.
No wonder she's such a bitch. It's sort of amazing she hasn't already gone off the deep end. We probably shouldn't let this continue, otherwise I think we'll get the parahuman equivalent of a school shooting.

That explains her, though, her Shard has pushed her to such lengths she's basically seeing everything as a fight and is being combative about every aspect of her life.
Yeah, that shootings probably going to start with her family too. Especially considering how everything is starting to roll against her.

Because he knows Victoria isn't his
If he wasn't depressed before, he would have been from that alone. No wonder he takes his meds, his life doesn't really seem to be worth living right now. I wonder if there's anything we can do to fix this?

In fact, looking at how the data is set up, and a review of recent uptick in drama, Incendiary seems to be of the opinion that it's Host is being sacrificed to cause more conflict for the others and the fact it was left without enough information to Bud is taken as a sign it's been marked for termination at the end of the cycle.

No wonder it's so despondent when communicating with us.
Poor thing, maybe we can do something to help it? The fact that helping it be less sad should bleed over and help (even if only a little) with Mark's depression is a bonus. We could use more allies.
 
Amy might not even have to directly affect his brain, perhaps she could modify the rest of his body so that he naturally produces a suitable antidepressant at the cost of increased metabolism?

We could have Taylor suggest it to her.
 
I really dislike carol.

Not as much as I dislike Lisa but still.
I don't blame you for feeling that way.

I dislike 99% of Worm characters honestly
I don't blame you for feeling that way.

Amy might not even have to directly affect his brain, perhaps she could modify the rest of his body so that he naturally produces a suitable antidepressant at the cost of increased metabolism?

We could have Taylor suggest it to her.
Why Taylor? Taylor and Amy/Claire don't even know each other. Lilac does though, and we are connected to Lilac. A little push through bleed over and I'm sure we can get Lilac and Claire to talk about Claire's life (and everything wrong with it) as both them getting closer/friendlier with each other and as Claire justifying herself to Lilac.
 
I dislike 99% of Worm characters honestly
There's some good ones. Dragon... uh.

Gallant! Wait, no, he didn't help Amy.
Victoria! Wait, no, she's clueless and didn't help Amy.
Amy? No, in canon she's kind of a jerk.
Dauntless, maybe?
Legend is pretty nice. Well, except for being a cynical Cauldron member.

Huh. I'm having some trouble thinking of them, but they must be out there!

...do OC's count?


[Admin] What the fuck is? That's Sphere's Shard. Let's get some Host data and find out what the fuck is going. . . HOLY FUCKING SHIT WHAT THE FUCK.


No, OC's probably don't.
 
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There's some good ones. Dragon... uh.

Gallant! Wait, no, he didn't help Amy.
Victoria! Wait, no, she's clueless and didn't help Amy.
Amy? No, in canon she's kind of a jerk.
Dauntless, maybe?
Legend is pretty nice. Well, except for being a cynical Cauldron member.

Huh. I'm having some trouble thinking of them, but they must be out there!

...do OC's count?
I'll go with Vista myself.

That reminds me that we haven't contacted any of the Ward's shards beyond Sophia's. We should look up at what they are doing.
 
No wonder she's such a bitch. It's sort of amazing she hasn't already gone off the deep end. We probably shouldn't let this continue, otherwise I think we'll get the parahuman equivalent of a school shooting.
Okay, I suggest we order the Shard to turn the Conflict Drive off, and install the good ol' Wolf Pack protocols, because she seriously needs some bonding time with the rest of her family. And it might actually help. If we time it right to someone else confronting her about her attitude, we could frame it as them getting through to her and her having an epiphany. Or time it to Amy's return so it seemed like stress about her missing?

Or whichever comes first.
Amy might not even have to directly affect his brain, perhaps she could modify the rest of his body so that he naturally produces a suitable antidepressant at the cost of increased metabolism?
To be fair, it seems like this could be taken care of through his medication, and we could likely get his Shard to support him in taking it.
In fact, if we turn off Carol's Combat Drive he wouldn't have a reason to avoid taking it anymore.
No reason to get any parahuman involvement at all beyond telling his Shard to support him taking his meds.

Proper Mental Health Drive? We could experiment with this. Might help with Burnscar.
 
There's some good ones. Dragon... uh.

Gallant! Wait, no, he didn't help Amy.
Victoria! Wait, no, she's clueless and didn't help Amy.
Amy? No, in canon she's kind of a jerk.
Dauntless, maybe?
Legend is pretty nice. Well, except for being a cynical Cauldron member.

Huh. I'm having some trouble thinking of them, but they must be out there!

...do OC's count?

Could Assault be thrown on this list?
 
Okay, I suggest we order the Shard to turn the Conflict Drive off, and install the good ol' Wolf Pack protocols, because she seriously needs some bonding time with the rest of her family. And it might actually help. If we time it right to someone else confronting her about her attitude, we could frame it as them getting through to her and her having an epiphany. Or time it to Amy's return so it seemed like stress about her missing?

Or whichever comes first.
I can get behind this. It's both subtle and requires minimal effort on our part.

To be fair, it seems like this could be taken care of through his medication, and we could likely get his Shard to support him in taking it.
In fact, if we turn off Carol's Combat Drive he wouldn't have a reason to avoid taking it anymore.
No reason to get any parahuman involvement at all beyond telling his Shard to support him taking his meds.
Same as above

So we're looking at something like
[] Plan Mental Healthcare
-[] Install wolf pack protocols into Lightforge if "Amy returns home" or if "Carol is confronted about her behavior by Sarah/the Pellams"
-[] Tell Incendiary that he/it is still of use to Us (us being QA) and praise it for completing our previous directive. Issue new directive to encourage his/its host to take medication to rectify depression and resume a more active role in parenting

Proper Mental Health Drive? We could experiment with this. Might help with Burnscar.
Sure, but remind me why we care about Burnscar and/or why we want to help her?
 
Sure, but remind me why we care about Burnscar and/or why we want to help her?

Because we're QA and fixing Shards is, like, our job?
Also, that S9 data would be great, and hers is the Shard I distrust the least.

Like, there's no real downside to helping her.

Exactly. Plus, canon is dumb.
We could probably help Burnscar, Bonesaw, and maybe Hatchetface?
I'd just ADC Crawler, kill Mannequin and Jack and let the Shards go to other Hosts.
Shatterbird and Siberian depend on how their vial shards are holding up, I guess.
 
Because she's got a shitty fate in store for herself and we can cure her insanity? Like, there's no real downside to helping her.
I suppose this is true if you don't count making a member of the S9 potentially a more dangerous threat to all our hosts as a downside.

Exactly. Plus, canon is dumb.
We could probably help Burnscar, Bonesaw, and maybe Hatchetface?
I'd just ADC Crawler, kill Mannequin and Jack and let the Shards go to other Hosts.
Shatterbird and Siberian depend on how their vial shards are holding up, I guess.
I guess just ADCing the entire group would solve a lot of problems so that is a thing.

That reminds me that we haven't contacted any of the Ward's shards beyond Sophia's. We should look up at what they are doing.
Also just realized I forgot to respond to this. It's not a bad idea.
 
[] Plan Mental Healthcare
-[] Install wolf pack protocols into Lightforge if "Amy returns home" or if "Carol is confronted about her behavior by Sarah/the Pellams"
-[] Tell Incendiary that he/it is still of use to Us (us being QA) and praise it for completing our previous directive. Issue new directive to encourage his/its host to take medication to rectify depression and resume a more active role in parenting
I'm a bit worried about this. Sophia had some... interesting interpretations of the directive, and I fear how Carol would see Amy and Flashbang. Will she see them as part of her 'pack' or as outsiders? This could end up with her pushing those two further away as she hunkers around those that do share her blood.

I do agree that we have to turn the conflict drive off, but I dont think we can fix Carol that easily.

Honestly at this point one of the best case scenarios would be to get rid of Carol and Manpower, and to get Flashbang and Sara to hook up.

Sure, but remind me why we care about Burnscar and/or why we want to help her?
Eh, her entire situation is unfair. I most definitely wouldnt mind if she ends up dead but her powers did screw up with her head big time. Knowing how and why that happened will allow us help people in similar situations.

I guess just ADCing the entire group would solve a lot of problems so that is a thing.
I will fight to save Bonesaw. Bonesaw's entire situation is crap and she has far more chances than burnscar to be fully rehabilitated.
 
I guess just ADCing the entire group would solve a lot of problems so that is a thing.

Did you see the argument about ADCing the Nazi Stepford wife?
Because it ended with most people trying to undo it immediately.

I'm a bit worried about this. Sophia had some... interesting interpretations of the directive, and I fear how Carol would see Amy and Flashbang. Will she see them as part of her 'pack' or as outsiders? This could end up with her pushing those two further away as she hunkers around those that do share her blood.
I mean, she's already a part of New Wave. In theory is should strengthen New Wave bonds.
If Clone!Amy and Flashbang end up being kicked out and go to the PRT, I wouldn't mourn it, though. Seems a fair sacrifice.

Also, it might cause Carol to push to steal Manpower and get the swap-pairing you desire.
 
I will fight to save Bonesaw. Bonesaw's entire situation is crap and she has far more chances than burnscar to be fully rehabilitated.
Definitely. Like, we definitely need to keep Riley. And murder Jack really, really hard. That doesn't mean we can't see about healing Burnscar, though. Her occasional intensely homicidial sociopathy is almost entirely the fault of her power, after all.
 
I mean, she's already a part of New Wave. In theory is should strengthen New Wave bonds.
If Clone!Amy and Flashbang end up being kicked out and go to the PRT, I wouldn't mourn it, though. Seems a fair sacrifice.

Also, it might cause Carol to push to steal Manpower and get the swap-pairing you desire.
Yeah, I guess it's a win-win in that case. I dont think we can realistically fix that family, but if the program works it will at least give us some extra time to find a better solution. And if it doesn't? Well, I wont mourn Carol.

Definitely. Like, we definitely need to keep Riley. And murder Jack really, really hard. That doesn't mean we can't see about healing Burnscar, though. Her occasional intensely homicidial sociopathy is almost entirely the fault of her power, after all.
Burnscar is a drug addict. She hates killing people, but using her power allows her to stop feeling guilt over it. With Jack fueling the vicious circle things turn ugly fast. One could argue that she isnt innocent either, but she was put in a bad place with few options. If we fix the shard's contamination she at least can face what she did as a fully functional human.

Now, Bonesaw? Fuck. I could write a lot about that, but let's remember this is the girl who started practicing surgery on herself, without anesthetics, as a form of atonement for what she did.
 
Yeah, Bonesaw is harsh. We see in her interlude that the S9 held her family hostage and after she Triggered made her heal them back from torture while Jack was working on her until she broke and he'd basically Mastered her for all intents and purposes.

Plus she Triggered six years before canon. And she was described as a young teen then. Even if she stunted her own growth, . . . yeah. She was real young when she had to mercy kill her parents and started getting manipulated by Jack.

She definitely did horrible things, but considering she was basically brainwashed into a murdercult, and even canon is willing to redeem her, it's hard not to want to help the girl out.

Plus, since Carmen Sandiego won for Night, we could turn Riley into Louise to give her a new life.
 
I'm a bit worried about this. Sophia had some... interesting interpretations of the directive, and I fear how Carol would see Amy and Flashbang. Will she see them as part of her 'pack' or as outsiders? This could end up with her pushing those two further away as she hunkers around those that do share her blood.

I do agree that we have to turn the conflict drive off, but I dont think we can fix Carol that easily.
So we revise wolf pack protocols into Wolf Pack Protocols V.2 is it forces Carol to see anyone part of New Wave as part of the pack by default. Lightforge has shown it's possible to escalate the effects of the protocols, so we could start it at 0% and slowly ramp it up. This would give us time to monitor how it affects her.

Honestly at this point one of the best case scenarios would be to get rid of Carol and Manpower, and to get Flashbang and Sara to hook up.
Plan NTR huh? I can't say Carol and Manpower don't deserve it.

Eh, her entire situation is unfair. I most definitely wouldnt mind if she ends up dead but her powers did screw up with her head big time. Knowing how and why that happened will allow us help people in similar situations.
I will fight to save Bonesaw. Bonesaw's entire situation is crap and she has far more chances than burnscar to be fully rehabilitated.
We could always use more playmates for Amy.

Did you see the argument about ADCing the Nazi Stepford wife?
Because it ended with most people trying to undo it immediately.
So? The alternative is just letting the 9 do as they please, and I doubt people would prefer that.

Plus, since Carmen Sandiego won for Night, we could turn Riley into Louise to give her a new life.
This I am 100% in support of!
 
Okay, good news. Flashbang's depression is entirely biological, but is easily controlled by medication. Medication he's voluntarily not taking because Carol's combativeness ramped up to levels of physical abuse back when he first started showing this as an issue. Judging by both sets of data, it's likely because it was seen as a three against one situation.

So he stops taking his meds, the united front collapses, and she steps down to just being bitchy. And he was okay with this. . . Because he knows Victoria isn't his, and if he tried to get the kids out of that situation he'd never get custody of her. Okay, you can kind of respect him trying to shield the kids from things.

Especially since his Shard was pushing him to protect the new Buds' Hosts. And keep Mark's Combat Drive off. Because. . . QA told him to when she took most of his data. In fact, looking at how the data is set up, and a review of recent uptick in drama, Incendiary seems to be of the opinion that it's Host is being sacrificed to cause more conflict for the others and the fact it was left without enough information to Bud is taken as a sign it's been marked for termination at the end of the cycle.

No wonder it's so despondent when communicating with us.

So Flashbang stopped taking his meds in an attempt to get the CPS called on his wife since he knew he wouldn't get them in a divorce? OUCH. That's just. Ouch. I think we need to fix Carol's Conflict Drive (I like Wolfpack V.2 for that) before Flashbang will try to improve his own situation.

Because we're QA and fixing Shards is, like, our job?
Also, that S9 data would be great, and hers is the Shard I distrust the least.
I'm not sure if it's Fanon or Canon but I think Labyrinth knew Burnscar back when they were in an asylum together (Bird is an AU that leans heavily into this) so contacting Labyrinth's shard will probably get us Burnscar's address. From what I can tell most of Burnscar's issues are essentially bipolar disorder exacerbated by her Shard's desire to be used, but then quickly going out of control. Improve her control a little and get her on some bipolar medication and she should be much better off.

Unfortunately I wouldn't want to contact Broadcast just yet, it's either going to be very useful or VERY dangerous. Just getting in contact with any of the Nine is probably going to put us on Broadcast's radar, so we probably want Memetic Filtering MAXED before risking that.

Save Riley, Save the World... ok, maybe not quite that bad, but she's deserving of rescue if we can figure out a way to extract her without coming in contact with Broadcast.
IIRC Siberian is actually the same Shard that produced Genesis's powers, not sure if that's true in this AU.
Crawler is a monster, but his shard is probably happy with the Data it's getting, and on his own he's not that dangerous (like an out of control locomotive, he's dangerous to anything in his path, but stay away from the tracks and you're fine)
Shatterbird... without Jack and co. she's just a pretty nasty Villain, but a defeatable one. Sure we COULD kill her, but unless her Shard is broken it's probably best to just leave her alone.
 
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Unfortunately I wouldn't want to contact Broadcast just yet, it's either going to be very useful or VERY dangerous. Just getting in contact with any of the Nine is probably going to put us on Broadcast's radar, so we probably want Memetic Filtering MAXED before risking that.
Agree, we don't know what strange influence Broadcast could have over the rest of the 9, so better to stay away from them until we are in position to take them down, or at least Jack.

Wait, Mouse Protector! Do we know when she was killed? Miss Militia should have her adress, and from there we can contact Ravager. I think that Ravager and MP were part of the same cluster trigger with the 'kill' comand, if we deleat that command we should avoid a lot of headaches in the future.
 
Wait, Mouse Protector!
We spied on MP in the most recent chapter. She was getting interrogated after being found with Ravager's corpse and apparently meeting with the S9. So, no details yet but that series of events has already derailed from canon.

I agree that we should be careful with Broadcast, but it should only be a few more rounds before we've maxed out memetic filtering, so it's still worth discussing S9 plans for short term implementation.
 
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