Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

The same way Molly talks to people?
This is a social encounter, and Molly is the social monster here. The one who people know who her father is, and who can actually get Dresden to do an intro. Lydia has no such parental references in Chicago.

I mean, its worth recalling that Lydia has Occult 1. Awareness 1.
Her passive senses and knowledge are kinda garbage-tier. And she doesnt have enough Essence to burn it as freely as Molly does.
She was not optimized to function alone the way Molly was.
I guess that Lydia would just have to depend on her own superhuman social skills. Just because Molly's are higher doesn't mean that the demigod of death shouldn't be able to make friends with an ectomancer. Now if I thought that there was an chance of violence I would insist on Molly coming along, but Lydia actually might get better results without someone that detects like an arch devil.
Subsequent dots in a ShMA costs significantly more. At those costs, it has competition from Sorcery, which is cheaper.



At the current rate, it costs 2 months/2 AP to earn each specialized xp as a discount.

To get Dragon Speed down to, say, 6xp, we would need 4 months/4 AP of training. 6 months/6 AP if we need 5xp.

At those kinds of timescales, we can afford to skip one month because it doesnt make much difference.



Of course, we'd actually be better off training the first dot of Dream down to 3xp and buying it before coming back to Devil Fighter.

But thats a different discussion.

It occurs to me that there is no way that he could have expected us to learn as quickly as we have. In the normal course of events learning ShMA would likely take years, decades. Did he really decide to stay in Chicago under that expectation?
 
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Votes tied.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Jan 13, 2023 at 11:03 PM, finished with 76 posts and 21 votes.

  • [X] Plan: Money, Training, School and Obligations
    -[X] Attend school you have friends at school and you would like the memories of senior year and graduation even if they won't be teaching you anything worthwhile (If neither School nor getting your GED is chosen Molly will systematically skip class)
    -[X] Starting up, you have an assistant and an idea, not to help actually set this thing in motion, not just the paperwork but actually getting (or making) some machines that look like they could make diamonds. Also includes making more diamonds.
    -[X] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will, with problems material and ethereal
    --[X] Dreaming True, Rosie is doing great so far, but she still needs more training before she can get a proper hold of her powers (3/10 pogress)
    -[X] The Bridges of the Spirit, continue your training with Brother Divsimar in the perilous, powerful arts of his order (Can begin studying Dragon's Speed)
    -[X] Trading in lore, you have started down the path of learning alchemy from Bob... and revealing some of the deepest secrets of Yomi Wan, both very good things as far as you are concerned. (15/25 and 9/20)
    -[X] Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
    [X]Plan Infernal Necessities
    -[X] Attend school you have friends at school and you would like the memories of senior year and graduation even if they won't be teaching you anything worthwhile (If neither School nor getting your GED is chosen Molly will systematically skip class)
    -[X] Starting up, you have an assistant and an idea, not to help actually set this thing in motion, not just the paperwork but actually getting (or making) some machines that look like they could make diamonds. Also includes making more diamonds.
    -[X][Investigations x1] Spirit Speaker: Mortimer Lindquist is apparently a real medium who also does fake seances, he is also quite a talented writer. It would be cool to meet him, but you also have a more serious reason to seek his company. Rosie is still mentally fragile and she is in a hospital and you have it on good and... er diverse authority that places like that are gathering places for dark and predatory spirits
    -[X] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will, with problems material and ethereal
    --[X]Dreaming True: Rosie is doing great so far, but she still needs more training before she can get a proper hold of her powers (3/10 progress)
    -[X] Trading in lore, you have started down the path of learning alchemy from Bob... and revealing some of the deepest secrets of Yomi Wan, both very good things as far as you are concerned. (15/25 and 9/20)
    -[X] Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
    [X] Plan: Money, Training, School and Obligations w/ meeting Odin
    -[X] Attend school you have friends at school and you would like the memories of senior year and graduation even if they won't be teaching you anything worthwhile (If neither School nor getting your GED is chosen Molly will systematically skip class)
    -[X] Starting up, you have an assistant and an idea, not to help actually set this thing in motion, not just the paperwork but actually getting (or making) some machines that look like they could make diamonds. Also includes making more diamonds.
    -[X] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will, with problems material and ethereal
    --[X] Dreaming True, Rosie is doing great so far, but she still needs more training before she can get a proper hold of her powers (3/10 pogress)
    -[X] Father of Hosts: It's not often someone gets a business card from Odin, or maybe it is, you are no expert on Norse Gods turned private military contractors, go talk to him and see what he wants and what he has to offer
    -[X] Trading in lore, you have started down the path of learning alchemy from Bob... and revealing some of the deepest secrets of Yomi Wan, both very good things as far as you are concerned. (15/25 and 9/20)
    -[X] Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
    [X] Plan Faithful to Her Obligations and family
    -[X] Attend school
    -[X] Starting up
    -[X] Trading in lore
    -[X] Restoring the Last Station
    -[X] A friend in need.
    --[X] Dreaming True
    -[X] Heart to Heart
    [X] Plan Getting Shit Done
    -[X] Attend school you have friends at school and you would like the memories of senior year and graduation even if they won't be teaching you anything worthwhile (If neither School nor getting your GED is chosen Molly will systematically skip class)
    -[X] Starting up, you have an assistant and an idea, not to help actually set this thing in motion, not just the paperwork but actually getting (or making) some machines that look like they could make diamonds. Also includes making more diamonds.
    -[X] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will, with problems material and ethereal
    --[X] Dreaming True, Rosie is doing great so far, but she still needs more training before she can get a proper hold of her powers (3/10 pogress)
    -[X] The Bridges of the Spirit, continue your training with Brother Divsimar in the perilous, powerful arts of his order (Can begin studying Dragon's Speed)
    -[X] (x2) Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
    [X] Just relax: It's almost enough to make you feel guilty given all the good you could be doing, but it's been a while since you have just hung out, gone to one of Leeth's softball games or watched anime with Matthew
 
Votes tied.
Adhoc vote count started by Yzarc on Jan 13, 2023 at 11:03 PM, finished with 76 posts and 21 votes.

  • [X] Plan: Money, Training, School and Obligations
    -[X] Attend school you have friends at school and you would like the memories of senior year and graduation even if they won't be teaching you anything worthwhile (If neither School nor getting your GED is chosen Molly will systematically skip class)
    -[X] Starting up, you have an assistant and an idea, not to help actually set this thing in motion, not just the paperwork but actually getting (or making) some machines that look like they could make diamonds. Also includes making more diamonds.
    -[X] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will, with problems material and ethereal
    --[X] Dreaming True, Rosie is doing great so far, but she still needs more training before she can get a proper hold of her powers (3/10 pogress)
    -[X] The Bridges of the Spirit, continue your training with Brother Divsimar in the perilous, powerful arts of his order (Can begin studying Dragon's Speed)
    -[X] Trading in lore, you have started down the path of learning alchemy from Bob... and revealing some of the deepest secrets of Yomi Wan, both very good things as far as you are concerned. (15/25 and 9/20)
    -[X] Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
    [X]Plan Infernal Necessities
    -[X] Attend school you have friends at school and you would like the memories of senior year and graduation even if they won't be teaching you anything worthwhile (If neither School nor getting your GED is chosen Molly will systematically skip class)
    -[X] Starting up, you have an assistant and an idea, not to help actually set this thing in motion, not just the paperwork but actually getting (or making) some machines that look like they could make diamonds. Also includes making more diamonds.
    -[X][Investigations x1] Spirit Speaker: Mortimer Lindquist is apparently a real medium who also does fake seances, he is also quite a talented writer. It would be cool to meet him, but you also have a more serious reason to seek his company. Rosie is still mentally fragile and she is in a hospital and you have it on good and... er diverse authority that places like that are gathering places for dark and predatory spirits
    -[X] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will, with problems material and ethereal
    --[X]Dreaming True: Rosie is doing great so far, but she still needs more training before she can get a proper hold of her powers (3/10 progress)
    -[X] Trading in lore, you have started down the path of learning alchemy from Bob... and revealing some of the deepest secrets of Yomi Wan, both very good things as far as you are concerned. (15/25 and 9/20)
    -[X] Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
    [X] Plan: Money, Training, School and Obligations w/ meeting Odin
    -[X] Attend school you have friends at school and you would like the memories of senior year and graduation even if they won't be teaching you anything worthwhile (If neither School nor getting your GED is chosen Molly will systematically skip class)
    -[X] Starting up, you have an assistant and an idea, not to help actually set this thing in motion, not just the paperwork but actually getting (or making) some machines that look like they could make diamonds. Also includes making more diamonds.
    -[X] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will, with problems material and ethereal
    --[X] Dreaming True, Rosie is doing great so far, but she still needs more training before she can get a proper hold of her powers (3/10 pogress)
    -[X] Father of Hosts: It's not often someone gets a business card from Odin, or maybe it is, you are no expert on Norse Gods turned private military contractors, go talk to him and see what he wants and what he has to offer
    -[X] Trading in lore, you have started down the path of learning alchemy from Bob... and revealing some of the deepest secrets of Yomi Wan, both very good things as far as you are concerned. (15/25 and 9/20)
    -[X] Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
    [X] Plan Faithful to Her Obligations and family
    -[X] Attend school
    -[X] Starting up
    -[X] Trading in lore
    -[X] Restoring the Last Station
    -[X] A friend in need.
    --[X] Dreaming True
    -[X] Heart to Heart
    [X] Plan Getting Shit Done
    -[X] Attend school you have friends at school and you would like the memories of senior year and graduation even if they won't be teaching you anything worthwhile (If neither School nor getting your GED is chosen Molly will systematically skip class)
    -[X] Starting up, you have an assistant and an idea, not to help actually set this thing in motion, not just the paperwork but actually getting (or making) some machines that look like they could make diamonds. Also includes making more diamonds.
    -[X] A friend in need. You promised Rosie that you would help and so you will, with problems material and ethereal
    --[X] Dreaming True, Rosie is doing great so far, but she still needs more training before she can get a proper hold of her powers (3/10 pogress)
    -[X] The Bridges of the Spirit, continue your training with Brother Divsimar in the perilous, powerful arts of his order (Can begin studying Dragon's Speed)
    -[X] (x2) Restoring the Last Station: Restoration efforts have been going well and according to Adam some more of the people down in the tunnels have shown interest in their newfound wealth and comfort (2/8)
    [X] Just relax: It's almost enough to make you feel guilty given all the good you could be doing, but it's been a while since you have just hung out, gone to one of Leeth's softball games or watched anime with Matthew
That's not good votes being tied means update delayed. If it's still tied in a hour I'll swap to whatever breaks the tie. There aren't really any bad plans.
 
I guess that Lydia would just have to depend on her own superhuman social skills. Just because Molly's are higher doesn't mean that the demigod of death shouldn't be able to make friends with an ectomancer. Now if I thought that there was an chance of violence I would insist on Molly coming along, but Lydia actually might get better results without someone that detects like an arch devil.
Lydia does not have superhuman social skills.
Cha/Man/App 3. Empathy 3. Etiquette 1. Intimidation 1.
Social dicepool is 4 or 6 dice without burning Essence.

Her Essence pool is half that of Molly's at the same Essence rating(6 v 12), and she doesnt have any current mechanic for recovering Essence as easily as Molly does, so she wont spend as freely.

And like I said, she has no guarantors.
Molly might have Essence that's Hell-aspected, but she has Michael Carpenter as a 5 dot social reference.
Lydia's Essence is death-flavored, and she has no references to get her past the door yet.

It occurs to me that there is no way that he could have expected us to learn as quickly as we have. In the normal course of events learning ShMA would likely take years, decades. Did he really decide to stay in Chicago under that expe
He probably is planning to stay here for a year, maybe more. Its not like its unknown for monks to take pilgrimages.
The information alone is priceless, and good relations with a human friendly archdevil is the kind of thing that potentially saves hundreds or thousands of lives in the future.

But its worth remembering that Molly is doing all this while living a mostly normal life and learning multiple things.

She's learning Alchemy and renovating a Dragons Nest and writing a book and starting a business and joining a occult selfdefense organization and training a friend and going to school and recruiting outcast ghouls.
All at once.

A normal Shih trainee would have their entire life built around training since they were either a child or a young teenager, and still be learning slower than Molly is currently doing.
If Molly spent all her xp and AP on ShMA, she'd have learned everything Brother Divsimar is currently willing to teach by now.
 
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Lydia does not have superhuman social skills.
Cha/Man/App 3. Empathy 3. Etiquette 1. Intimidation 1.
Social dicepool is 4 or 6 dice without burning Essence.

Her Essence pool is half that of Molly's at the same Essence rating(6 v 12), and she doesnt have any current mechanic for recovering Essence as easily as Molly does, so she wont spend as freely.

And like I said, she has no guarantors.
Molly might have Essence that's Hell-aspected, but she has Michael Carpenter as a 5 dot social reference.
Lydia's Essence is death-flavored, and she has no references to get her past the door yet.
She can also stunt meaning that she rolls more dice then professional negotiators. Remember when we gave those thugs stitches with no dots on medicine?

Ok she isn't actually super human without spending essanse, but making friends with another death aspected magic user doesn't seem like it should be a super human feat.
 
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She can also stunt meaning that she rolls more dice then professional negotiators.
Ok she isn't actually super human without spending essanse, but making friends with another death aspected magic user doesn't seem like it should be a super human feat.
Quite the opposite.
Mortimer Lindquist is a ectomancer. Death-aspected magic users tend to be necromancers.
Its actually entirely possible that Molly has it easier interacting with a medium/ectomancer than Lydia does.
 
1)Because Chicago is the third largest city in the US, in addition to being an acknowledged magical crossroad?
Large population of supernaturals to hide in, lots of NeverNever locales connect here, right in top of a nexus of Ways.
The grendelkin was eating people and animals here for months in the short story Heorot before Dresden and Gard noticed.

From a personal safety perspective, a transportation crossroads gives you multiple options for evading pursuit and leaving town. There apparently arent many places like this in the Dresdenverse. Edinburgh is another, but held by the White Council.
Not sure if Chitchen Itza is as well.

Its the same reason why experienced fugitives try to stay close to multiple transport options.
And why they seek out large cities; easier to blend into large populations.


2)Spirit of knowledge, not necromancer. He doesnt appear to grow in power from eating mortals, let alone spirits.
Fucking off to Columbus puts him in a less obvious locale, but also one with a much smaller population, so he stands out more, and with fewer egress routes should a hunting party come to town. Much higher risk of getting cornered and clobbered.


3) In canon he took six or seven years before getting involved in another major scheme.
Here its only been ten months.
Something's different.



4) No, it isnt fear mongering.
Mortimer's death would unleash a murder of ghosts on the city. His incapacitation however? We dont know.
If he's being pressed, whether by Kattrin's remnants, Daedalus or even the Library? We dont know.

We have no way of knowing without walking in and knocking on his door.


5) I dont think thats a valid argument.

We already made contact with the Senior Council via Ebenezar McCoy the Blackstaff way back in the first arc.
And Dresden probably has given at least some updates on the matter after the Red Room Murders.
Thats handled.

Lara Raith knows who we are, and she or someone acting on her instructions called Michael after the Black Rider auction.
Frankly I would be surprised if she doesnt already know about her brother's new business associate; its been around three weeks, and she's the sister who raised him, effective White Court head and his handler in the True Venatori.

Marcone knows because Gard, as does Odin.
Summer Court knows because Lily and Fix were there when we got back from Arctis Tor.
Winter knows because of our escape from Arctis Tor.

The Red Court know about us because we let a Rampire covert action team go after Cleveland; it was the right thing to do, but they know. The Archive knows everything we've committed to paper or electronic communication.
And she isnt in Chicago anyway.

The only reason Im not stressing about the Denarians is because they have no publicly known points of contact in the Chicago area. Neither do the Yama Kings for that matter.
They generally get initiative, so we wait.
1) Again, hide how? He isn't a minor talent, a fey, a sorcerer, or some sort of vampire. He's a blatantly obvious necro-spirit. There isn't a group he can work his stuff around that won't recognize what it is, or that will give him cover unless he joins up first.

More supernatural eyes means more people around to notice him and the signs of his passage. If he wanted to keep his head down going somewhere without supernatural entities would be vastly more effective.

Staying right on top of an exit is good in general, but you don't need to stay on a nexus to make effective use of the nevernever. That's overkill for his needs if it's just about running away. It's also probably a bad idea for him to use most effective ways after trying to steal from Winter anyway.

As to his ability to murder freely; he's a known factor now, which changes the equation. There are plenty of places to find victims where someone capable of stopping him is highly unlikely to pop up.

This is sort of straying from the point though.

2) Not naturally, but he clearly has the knowledge to do stuff like this if he wants. Plus he's made of evil Bob's nastiest knowledge, most of it Kemmler's.

He's really damn dangerous, and he cannot blend into a crowd of supernaturals. He can't use his magic where they can see it without being caught out. Living near people who would even think that someone like him could exist is just making him more likely to get caught.

Escape routes into the nevernever aren't exclusive to Chicago, and considering how bad an idea it's be for him to walk some of them Bob can't exactly arbitrarily pop through any way available to him in the city anyway.

3) I think the difference was that he saw a shot at a rare opportunity and took it. Not every day a death god with the exact weaknesses for a ritual you know pops up, and it's even rarer for competent coconspirators who also already know the basics to just appear with him.

4) It's exactly fear mongering, because we have no reason whatsoever to believe anything about his status and you're using fear of that as a driving argument to take action.

We have the same level of proof that the neo-nazis from earlier are going to snipe Molly on the steps of her school to either kill her or put her supernatural status in an attempt to screw up her life as a form of petty revenge.

It'd really suck, the timing would be terrible, and clean up would absorb our attention for a considerable period of time IC. But those are just risks that make it sound scary, they aren't reasons to believe it's likely.

To my eye this is functionally the same argument you're making.

Being security conscious is good, but it's only conscious if it's measured. Otherwise it's just paranoid impulse that occasionally gets lucky.

5) Those were just intended as examples of other things that are threats on the horizon that are similarly difficult to quantify in terms of specific threat in the context of the threat.

I'd argue some of the individual pieces, but it'd be missing the point. Any of those situations could spiral as easily and rapidly as Mort's, but we can't reasonably spend all our AP obsessively going after each of them or we'll never get anything done.

I'm interested in meeting Mort and I buy the argument that he's probably a useful person to know in various ways, which is why I'm approval voting your plan.

The claim that we have to see him immediately because there's an obvious risk seems ridiculous to me though, and a poor argument for an otherwise reasonable action.
 
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1) Again, hide how? He isn't a minor talent, a fey, a sorcerer, or some sort of vampire. He's a blatantly obvious necro-spirit. There isn't a group he can work his stuff around that won't recognize what it is, or that will give him cover unless he joins up first.

More supernatural eyes means more people around to notice him and the signs of his passage. If he wanted to keep his head down going somewhere without supernatural entities would be vastly more effective.

Staying right on top of an exit is good in general, but you don't need to stay on a nexus to make effective use of the nevernever. That's overkill for his needs if it's just about running away. It's also probably a bad idea for him to use most effective ways after trying to steal from Winter anyway.

As to his ability to murder freely; he's a known factor now, which changes the equation. There are plenty of places to find victims where someone capable of stopping him is highly unlikely to pop up.

This is sort of straying from the point though.

2) Not naturally, but he clearly has the knowledge to do stuff like this if he wants. Plus he's made of evil Bob's nastiest knowledge, most of it Kemmler's. He's really damn dangerous, and he cannot blend into a crowd of supernaturals. He can't use his magic where they can see it without being caught out. Living near people who would even think that someone like him could exist is just making him more likely to get caught.

Escape routes into the nevernever aren't exclusive to Chicago, and considering how bad an idea it's be for him to walk some of them Bob can't exactly arbitrarily pop through any way available to him in the city anyway.

3) I think the difference was that he saw a shot at a rare opportunity and took it. Not every day a death god with the exact weaknesses for a ritual you know pops up, and it's even rarer for competent coconspirators who also already know the basics to just appear with him.

4) It's exactly fear mongering, because we have no reason whatsoever to believe anything about his status and you're using fear of that as a driving argument to take action. We have the same level of proof that the neo-nazis from earlier are going to snipe Molly on the steps of her school to either kill her or put her supernatural status in an attempt to screw up her life as a form of petty revenge.

It'd really suck, the timing would be terrible, and clean up would absorb our attention for a considerable period of time IC. But those are just risks that make it sound scary, they aren't reasons to believe it's likely.
To my eye this is functionally the same argument you're making.

Being security conscious is good, but it's only conscious if it's measured. Otherwise it's just paranoid impulse that occasionally gets lucky.

5) Those were just intended as examples of other things that are threats on the horizon that are similarly difficult to quantify in terms of specific threat in the context of the threat.

I'd argue some of the individual pieces, but it'd be missing the point. Any of those situations could spiral as easily and rapidly as Mort's, but we can't reasonably spend all our AP obsessively going after each of them or we'll never get anything done.

I'm interested in meeting Mort and I buy the argument that he's probably a useful person to know in various ways, which is why I'm approval voting your plan.

The claim that we have to see him immediately because there's an obvious risk seems ridiculous to me though, and a poor argument for an otherwise reasonable action.
1) The same way Corpsetaker evaded detection after she was killed in Dead Beat. The same way Kravos' ghost was roaming Chicago wreaking havoc incognito in Grave Peril. The same way Dresden's naked soul spent god only knows how long walking in Chicago after Kincaid shot him in Ghost Story.

The way EvilBob himself evaded notice in the same city in canon for anywhere from eight months to seven years, depending on what your reading of the math is.

More supernaturals means a bigger crowd where he passes unremarked unless he is actively drawing attention.
A LOT of serious players regularly transit Chicago. We see Sidhe ladies, demigods and worse here on a pretty regular basis, and there's a serious population of native necro-spirits that Dresden never noticed because Morty was handling them.



2)He has the knowledge to do appalling things. He lacks the ability to commit mass murder directly or gain power from it.
He had six or seven years to do it in canon. He never did.

Skinwalkers have the knowledge to murder shittons of people, but only gain power from killing wizards.
Nicodemus only gains power from murdering Knights.
Very few supernatural entities appear to be omnivores.

Furthermore, its not in his nature. He's a spirit of knowledge.
A servitor, an assistant. His kink is serving a competent boss, and he was seeking a boss that meets his twisted standards.
Even after splitting from Bob, they are still the same type of entity. Sorta siblings.

Thats why you see him offer to switch sides and serve Dresden instead of the Corpsetaker, when he(EvilBob) had the upper hand in their fight in Ghost Story.



3)Or something changed in translation. We arent in Kansas anymore.
Thats why my priority has been touching our bases to check our assumptions about things in the setting are actually true.
Starting at home.


4)The rationale is simple.

We've had a major necromantic incident in Chicago a month ago, including invoking a Neverborn as part of Arawn's ritual, and its canon that necromancy afoot fucks around with the local netherworld. This is after Corpsetaker has been here for six to ten months, and we still dont know most of what she was doing during that time.

In addition to this, we have Feds roaming with an agenda. Checking with the guy whose job involves corralling a pandora's box of homicidal insane ghosts seems like its fairly mandatory at this point.
And we cant leave it to Lydia because she doesnt yet have the chops for it.



5)And I strongly disagree with that characterization.
 
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Kattrin murdered almost 30 people that we know of, never mind what EvilBob and the Corpsetaker and Gorfels got up to.
Then Arawn's transfer of power happened, with us enhancing it with a Neverborn-invoking ritual.
We really shouldnt put this off till October.
If I recall correctly, Arawn took care of the ghosts and emanations created by Kattrin before the ritual. And if the guy felt the [Perfected Principle of Consumption] being invoked, he would have probably contacted Harry or Michael.
1)Point of correction: We dont get Dex 8.
To my recollection, we average 2 sux on a dice pool of 9 dice (WP) at DC8.
So we expect to average Dex 6.
Is this including BSM?

I mean, I get the point - the spirit guy sounds like like he's Lydia's Harry. And I want to continue to work on Lydia. So

[X]Plan Infernal Necessities
 
@DragonParadox I noticed that there's no option related to looking for and raiding / disarming the hoard of the Dragon our father slew. Is it something we could in principle do and how would we go about it? It's not something we want to do right now, but once we get the Dragon's Nest and Lydia gets Command the Dead, it becomes very, very attracting as an option.
 
If I recall correctly, Arawn took care of the ghosts and emanations created by Kattrin before the ritual. And if the guy felt the [Perfected Principle of Consumption] being invoked, he would have probably contacted Harry or Michael.

Is this including BSM?

I mean, I get the point - the spirit guy sounds like like he's Lydia's Harry. And I want to continue to work on Lydia. So

[X]Plan Infernal Necessities
1)Arawn and Gard moved the lingering ghosts after Kattrin's ritual.But most of the damage had already been done by then.

If I recall the events of Grave Peril and Dead Beat properly?
Major necromantic fuckery weakens the local Gauntlet, the barrier between the mortal world and the Spirit Worlds.
That has....Consequences.

Ghosts and dark spirits get empowered; stronger, more restless, for example.
A ghost named Agatha was murdering an entire ward of babies in ICU, for example, at the beginning of Grave Peril.
She never used to have the power to do that normally.

And this is the second year in a row it has happened. Third time in five years.

As for Morty, he defaults to hiding his power level and not drawing attention to himself as a person with serious mojo.
Dresden didnt realize how powerful the dude was until he(Dresden) died.
The likelihood of his reaching out to Dresden or Michael at this point in the timeline is pretty low.


2)No.
BSM would drop the DC to 7, so in a situation where Molly is wet she'd be rolling 9 dice at DC7.
Assuming we can guarantee being wet. Which we cant yet.

Not sure what the average number of sux would be in that circumstance.
My statistics brain isnt working properly
 
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BSM would drop the DC to 7, so in a situation where Molly is wet she'd be rolling 9 dice at DC7.
Assuming we can guarantee being wet. Which we cant yet.

Not sure what the average number of sux would be in that circumstance.
My statistics brain isnt working properly
Average goes up to 3.6 successes. I think. Do we get two successes for 10s? And do 1s take away successes on willpower rolls?

Because I just did

output [count {7,8,9,10} in 9d10]

on anydice.
 
Added searching for Siriothrax's hoard to the investigations. There is no guarantee you will claim it with just one AP, but that is what you need to start looking.
Yeah, wouldnt even think of looking for that thing without a couple of prerequisites.
One of which is talking to Charity, the other is the Sight, and the third is Counterspelling. Because as someone who has read the Ring Cycle, the death curse of a Dragon on its corpse and hoard is the kind of thing they talk about in hushed whispers.


Let us know if/when we can use those downtime Crown uses.
And when best it would work in your story.
 
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