Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

An easy counter point is who created the infinite chaos of the Wyld that formed the primordials.
This is actually a good point.
The Primordials claim to have spontaneously generated from the infinite Chaos of the Wyld.
And while some came together to invent Creation, others went away.

None of this precludes a Creator who cooked up the Wyld in the first place.
 
This is actually a good point.
The Primordials claim to have spontaneously generated from the infinite Chaos of the Wyld.
And while some came together to invent Creation, others went away.

None of this precludes a Creator who cooked up the Wyld in the first place.
Couldn't there have been multiple Creations within the Wyld, each instigated by a different set of Primordial beings? And if that is the case, our Exaltation and Raksha we encountered could be refugees from what amounts to an entirely separate reality.
 
Origins of Promordials is somewhat of a mystery.

My personal favorite is "Raksha who got so deep into their LARP'ing that they forgot that they are Raksha."
 
We'd have to stand there, right in the endless battlefield attacked by endless masses of Outsiders and protected only by Winter's forces, and make a Appearance+Tech Roll every single scene to keep it working.

That might save the world long enough for someone like Rashid and Mab to fix the damage to the gates, or it might not, but it is certainly not a long-term solution.
True, but the brownie points would be amazing. We might OD on smug before we get a chance to enjoy the political leverage of having saved reality.
 
It's worth considering that linear time didn't exist before Creation. The question of why invented the Wyld may be meaningless as there was no consistent time even at that point, different Primordials' narratives didn't necessarily have events happening in the same sequence even after they were created.
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jan 8, 2023 at 1:10 PM, finished with 134 posts and 19 votes.

  • [X] No. you hardly know these people, exchange emails and leave
    [X] Plan Measure Twice
    -[X] Attempt to set up a lore exchange related to the pathfinders
    —[X] Explain in general what they are, what their operation in Cleveland was trying to, and that they're handled for the moment without getting into details about who or how it was handled
    -[X] Offer to put together a packet containing what information remains of their research and equipment. In exchange request equivalent value in alchemical lore. (Include things like a brief write up of their activities, sketches of their facilities as relevant to their research, and printed photos of any equipment we have of their's from multiple angles with identifying labels)
    -[X] If they seem amicable, further offer to start a little joint research project on it if they have someone local for you to speak with.
    -[X] Stunt: Taking a deep breath, Molly looks over the agents again and comes to a decision. "Trust is a fragile thing, but you two have been as reasonable as can be expected of people in your position. Perhaps more than that, I'll admit to wanting to find a trustworthy mortal organization in all of this" She says, gesturing in a vague way at the supernatural world as a whole.
    -[X] "So how about we take another little baby step, and see where it goes" growing more serious Molly looks one agent in the eye, then the other, and asks "Have either of you heard of the Pathfinders before?"
    [X] Trade them knowledge of fomori underground base biology as a "teaser" of sorts
    -[X] Use Occult excellency to make the information better
    -[X] "Prove my bonafides as a scholar, you say? Sure. You have a pen and a piece of paper?" you smile, before starting to sketch what looks like a mix between an autopsy report, a scientific paper, and an article taken from a medieval bestiary. You draw the outline of a great mutant crustacean that you saw under the surface of lake Erie, with a cutout detailing its internal structure, and make detailed notes on how it functions, and what dangers it represents.
 
Arc 5 Post 4: Eyes on the Ground, Eyes on the Prize
Eyes on the Ground, Eyes on the Prize

28th of August 2006 A.D.

You open your mouth to say more, to explain more. Sharing secrets, you had found, is almost as much of a temptation as finding them out. But really what do you know about these people in the fancy suit and the slightly antiquated dress with the elegant cane, that they are better than Wright? Sure but a head cold would be better than Wright and the rest of the Daedalus goons, they had said all the right things, but are they also going to do them?

Oh and there is the part where they admitted to having about as much oversight as the Men in Black without even a Will Smith in sight to lighten the mood. "Sorry sorry, got something in my throat..." you quickly take the water from Father Forthil with a pang of guilt at his worried look. Well you could hardly explain that one now could you?

"Excellent, if you need to get in contact with us..." Hyde hands you a card with a bold orange LOC on the front, looking for all the world perfectly mundane as are the emails and phone numbers. Then you notice written in plain blue ink on the back Ms Karin Murphy, CPD, local contact.

Von Trier must have noticed your eyes going to the name: "For all the frustrations of follow up investigations sometimes one finds a pearl foolishly cast before the swine. People like the lieutenant so often lose themselves either to the dangers behind the veil, or to the despair of carrying on a lonely battle. We offered her our support."

"Good, that's good she didn't deserve..." Had she told them about Arctis Tor? Were they testing you all along?

No, but they are testing you now, you realize, the elder Librarian's focus almost a palpable thing, her partner doing his best to look at ease, leaning back in his chair in a way that almost looks rehearsed, no is rehearsed, not specifically maybe not as interrogation techniques or maybe negotiation tactics.

Perhaps you would feel offended by the tactic if you were not presently bending every shadow to listen in, if you were not borrowing a demon's insight in turn. As is you realize three things: that they are not lying about detective Murphy, and goodness knows she could use all the help she can get, that she would never just spill things about the rescue mission to strangers, even helpful ones and thirdly that the librarians must have been OK with that fact, patient. You are not sure if that is a good thing or a bad thing.

It's every bit as good as they are Molly, the thought is not as reassuring as it could be. Funny how you would almost be more comfortable with enemies

Once you are back in the car you phone Harry to find him... well not flustered, Harry does not do flustered, but he certainly was not expecting the news about the lieutenant.

"It just says local contact on the card. They didn't give you one? Did they talk to you?"

"Yes, day before yesterday, asked the same sorts of questions, some about what happened Holloween, though from the way they asked about that I have the feeling they already had the wardens' account of it."

"You know you never told me all the details about Halloween. I had to ask Bob."

"Well he told you didn't he?" Now he sounds more than a little defensive. About the necromancy? Seriously? It's not like he hurt anyone who did not deserve it. Sue the Tyrannosaurus probably was having more fun than she did in ages, literally.

"Honestly how could you not talk about something so cool? You need a PR department or something."

"Oh yeah I can just see the billboards over the Kennedy Expressway now, me on top of the dinosaur chomping away like an extra in a Conan."

"OK first off I'm pretty sure that the extras don't rate dinosaurs in Conan, that is just for the villains and secondly you know there is a whole community of people out there who are in the know, not just the magic and the fey courts and all that, people who know there are monsters out there. They felt what was going on last October."

He sighs noisily into the phone. "So they are and they will just scared of me if I talk about it, not good without reason either. Necromancy is seriously bad juju."

You mull that over for a while before replying. It's not like he doesn't have a point, it's just that it isn't anything like as solid of a one as he thinks it is. "You know Batman is more popular than Spiderman."

"Really? How do you know?" Now Harry sounds like he is humoring you.

"Internet surveys," you reply sweetly, knowing you might as well have claimed knowledge of lunar soil samples for all the ability he has to check your sources. "The bad guys are literal people eaters in this case, you would be surprised what most of the ones on the menu would think of as an appropriate solution to deal with them." At the very least the Order of the Cauldron had seen fit to try to recruit you when you had awakened or... made a dark god.

"Yeah well if I ever need a PR department you are the first person I'll ask."

"You do that Harry," He thinks he's joking, but you are not.

For now however you have another plan, you think as a light rain starts to beat against the windows, September knocking, and with it school again. Get more diamonds for Thomas to sell next month so you can be ready for more major projects.

How do you intend to make diamonds to sell?

[] Write in

OOC: This has been talked about a lot in the thread so I figure an open ended write in prompt would work, but if you guys want sugestions do not hesitate to ask.
 
Could you clarify what you mean by "how"? Do you mean technical details? Because I can write out the list of technical steps. Even some surprisingly exalted-like (you can make diamonds from Whiskey, for example, or from the ashes of the dead).

Things like what charms to use and how you want to arrange the use of them. If you want to produce a specific kind of diamond or for a specific purpose that is certainly something you can try now.
 
I was mostly assuming that Tomas has been doing his homework on what sort of gems are best for us to sell. That is his job.
 
Could you clarify what you mean by "how"? Do you mean technical details? Because I can write out the list of technical steps. Even some surprisingly exalted-like (you can make diamonds from Whiskey, for example, or from the ashes of the dead).
I think that he is mostly talking about how we outfit our workshop. How many bonuses can we manage to stack.

[X]Yog

I know that you have this worked out.
 
Just to get the discussion started, had thoughts on that.

[X] Plan simple and effective
-[X] With TTC construct a huge room-sized sufficiently thermally isolated fully enclosed container and fill it with liquid oxygen mixed with solid oxygen slush. Molly will craft inside, fully submerged, allowed by WHWH and getting +2 dice from it. Huge size means no active cooling needed, melting of solid oxygen and slow evaporation of liquid oxygen would provide all the needed cooling. Gets us -1 difficulty from BSM, gets us essence replenishment from CSR as pure liquid oxygen is toxic even without the cold.
-[X] Use CCC for further -3 difficulty.
-[X] Use excellency.
-[X] Craft for as long as possible, repeat if needed.
-[X] Aim for maximum quantity of high quality grade artificial diamonds, there is a thriving marked for them at that time and they are easier to sell.
 
Well, comment-wise:
1) They had to give Murphy the contacts too. Use those to verify their intentions towards her. We owe her at least that much.
2) If they got wardens' accounts on the Halloween events, then the council is in contact with them. That's a point in their favor.
3) What I think we should give them is a book on how to make soulgazes safer. That's an unambiguously useful and hard to exploit for evil thing.


Things like what charms to use and how you want to arrange the use of them. If you want to produce a specific kind of diamond or for a specific purpose that is certainly something you can try now.
Oh. Ok then

[X] Plan "Excellence unmatched"
-[X] Consult with Thomas what sort of diamonds (quality, sizes, colors, etc) would be best to make
-[X] Before starting the production, investigate various techniques of diamond making together with your Cyberdevils, in order to find the best ones for your purposes
-[X] Commandeer an outdoor workshop. Use Tool Transcending Constructs to make large ice blocks (find or make some empty barrels to place them in) to lower internal temperature enough to trigger Without Honor, Without Hope
-[X] Use oil, machine oil, or bleach to trigger Boiling Sea Mastery while working
--[X] Use disposable working clothes that you don't mind getting dirty, and use Tool Transcending constructs to clean up afterwards
-[X] Make an electronic padlock controllable by Clippy to trigger Cracked Cell Circumvention while working
-[X] Use crafting excellency
-[X] Use All Things Betray (pay willpower) for quality control to increase the efficiency (to discard diamonds of low quality at early stages of production)
-[X] STUNT: "Well, no turning back now. Clippy, lock me up please, until I make this month's quota. And put on some music." you say, as the padlock on the door behind you blinks red, indicating that you are now confined to your workshop. The air around you is crisp and invigorating, the freezing temperature maintained by large columns of ice in the corners. They should last for hours, especially with your chilly aura going full blast around you. Your hair glistens with machine oil, threatening to stain your work clothes. From the light of your soul, strange machinery starts to unfold, ready to create on the level hardly imaginable by mortal men, even if inspired by their techniques you spent the evening before researching.

Something like that. I think I used everything here. Making sure to learn what kind of diamonds are easier to sell. Checking the various available techniques and selecting the better ones for our purposes (making diamonds that are easy to sell) with the help of cyberdevils (essentially, planning stage). Preparing the workshop. Using all difficulty adjusters we have, including ATB for quality control of the products. Doing a stunt for even more dice. I think that's pretty much everything. I mean, we could call Lydia in for collaboration, but that's overkill.

I am also tempted to add
-[] After we make enough diamonds, make one memorial diamond (use ashes of some animal) to see if either Harry or Lydia can do anything with it

But that would be distracting from the main goal here. This should probably be done separately. I feel that Lydia definitely can do something with those, even without charms (Arawn probably can teach Lydia some simpler magics). And such a diamond would be a great alchemical or enchantment focus. Also a great necromantic one, depending on whose ashes go in there. But that's a separate part.
 
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Could we do the questions on the library in this vote too? Seems like a reasonable place to put it since we just saw them, and we'll probably shelve it for weeks otherwise.
 
You open your mouth to say more, to explain more. Sharing secrets, you had found, is almost as much of a temptation as finding them out.
We are such a Twilight. Seriously, the Twilight Solar counterpart to our Urge basically just replaces the "bind unwholesome creatures into our service" clause with a "teach your mystical secrets to others" clause. We are such a Twilight. Even removing the essence regen from that half of our Urge in exchange for something more hellish didn't fully remove that aspect of our magical nerdery from our soul. Wow.

I mean, I know it's partially the result of the voters' habits, but it's still funny to me just how thoroughly we fit into the slot of Twilight Solar Exalted. I guess some things can just never be fully scrubbed away from an Exaltation.
 
We are such a Twilight. Seriously, the Twilight Solar counterpart to our Urge basically just replaces the "bind unwholesome creatures into our service" clause with a "teach your mystical secrets to others" clause. We are such a Twilight. Even removing the essence regen from that half of our Urge in exchange for something more hellish didn't fully remove that aspect of our magical nerdery from our soul. Wow.

I mean, I know it's partially the result of the voters' habits, but it's still funny to me just how thoroughly we fit into the slot of Twilight Solar Exalted. I guess some things can just never be fully scrubbed away from an Exaltation.
Really I think it's just a common element to humans who play with magic. The librarians clearly set things up to exploit the desire to show off twice in that conversation, and I doubt it was because they had that good of a read on Molly specifically.

I bet the debrief from this will be really fun for them too. We somewhat credibly allege to have some really interesting magical secrets that angels for some reason felt the need to validate, but they ran into the unicorn-rare creature that is a teenager with a cool new toy that doesn't showboat so they've got nothing.

Even better, though they don't know it, we're talking about a celestial exalt causing difficulty for mortals by not showing off fell knowledge or flexing their supernatural muscles just because they can.

That's got to be no more than the second or third time that's happened since the primordial war. :V
 
Could we also add some security?

We've got enough loose cash to put some crappy little wireless cameras around the outside of the place, then have devils monitor the area 24/7 and send us alerts if something sketchy is happening.

[X] Yog

As an aside, I like the idea of the other
solaroids treating Solar castes like their astrology signs. Primarily because it seems like the sort of thing that would drive the deliberative up a wall.

Live Puppy Eater the Abyssal: "OMG, I'm such a Dawn caste, just look at how easy it is to sword these peasants"
 
Really I think it's just a common element to humans who play with magic. The librarians clearly set things up to exploit the desire to show off twice in that conversation, and I doubt it was because they had that good of a read on Molly specifically.

I bet the debrief from this will be really fun for them too. We somewhat credibly allege to have some really interesting magical secrets that angels for some reason felt the need to validate, but they ran into the unicorn-rare creature that is a teenager with a cool new toy that doesn't showboat so they've got nothing.

Even better, though they don't know it, we're talking about a celestial exalt causing difficulty for mortals by not showing off fell knowledge or flexing their supernatural muscles just because they can.

That's got to be no more than the second or third time that's happened since the primordial war. :V
I wish that we have put a cyberdevil in their cell phone. I want to hear it.
 
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