Combat damage is an issue.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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fictionfan
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Prince of Ruin attitude (3 XP) would mean that it isn't.
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Figure the LOC is stated like the Arcane of WOD but more active. And the Arcanum in the newer sorcery book has something like enough lore to boost Enchanting path at 4dots. I will post their stats later.
On a lucky roll, they could do ping damage. 8 damage dice + potential 10-ish dice pool worth of bonus damage dice is what you could expect from peak mortals with rifles or well-armed supernaturals.
Yes.
It has to be at a enivoermental level to trigger IE cold enough that anybody could not survive it long term Unprotected. The winter maiden might be able to make it that cold Mab certainly could. Environmental stuff is the building is on fire, not your standing in a fire.
While we probably won't be able to make armor, a powered exoskeleton (i.e. mechanically + X to strength) should be doable that won't affect Dexterity at all. I am mostly interested in "power" part of "power armor", rather than "armor" part. Strength and Stamina boosters. Movement speed too. Maybe some localized armor (like arm / leg armor), but nothing that would lower mobility in combat.
Lydia needs armor more than us, and I suggest we invite her to collaborate (Intelligence excellency) when making her some.
fictionfan
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That should not be enough considering that we also roll our soak at a lower DC. Maybe if we faced a firing squad of peak mortals and didn't dodge?
Of course currently we are unlikely to roll 5 successes on a steel skin willpower roll expect under optimal conditions.
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Yeah, ED is right, dice bonus from cold is somewhat harder to trigger than I recall. The examples mean that it would prolly take Enchantment 3-4, and all of the solutions based on "btw, Molly is very cold normally, just wrap her in something and let her cool herself" are not going to work at all.Without Honor said:
Yeah, you'd think so, but WoD rules really like to slap dex penalties on everything heavier than a leather coat. I don't have access to Mage 20 rn, but what I could remember about its armor rules really makes me sad.
Statistically improbable things happen. We did get stabbed by a wolverine wannabe not so long ago. That said, with Shintai that would be 4 sux to max the Qiao cap.
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fictionfan
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Lydia doesn't get Prince of Ruin attitude. So we would be back to very good armor for her rather than powered armor.
Molly clones would be able to use our passive charms so powered armor should be very good for them.
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Lydia with Command the Dead gets to make wood zombies. Making a wooden armor is possible. She could then animate it. Entirely magically animated armor, no mechanical parts at all. There are some very tough woods out there, more so if they are specifically treated beforehand, which we could do.
Maximum cheese, which I am hesitating to propose, would be taking (making) ashes of dead animals and processing them into nanotube armor. Similar to how artificial memorial diamonds can be made from ashes of the dead, only with nanotube armor. If Lydia can animate oil, than animating infernally-made nanotube armor should also be doable.
fictionfan
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Yes we should be able to make Lydia very very good armor. Better armor than militaries have access to. Armor that if we could/would sell it would be worth at least a million dollars a suit.
But it won't be powered armor.
Powered armor is defined as an armor that enhances the user's physical abilities. If Lydia animates her armor with Command the Dead and orders it to follow and enhance her movements, I am fairly sure that would fall under the functional definition of power armor.
Just gonna say that while I don't have any particular distaste for the aesthetic, and I don't consider it inappropriate given that we do have Wicked City charms, I really don't have any enthusiasm for it either.
If the argument is "we can, theoretically, make it work" and not "this is actually better than [some other project that we could be spending XP and time on]" then you don't have my vote for it.
...Not that I actually vote for a whole of stuff, but. Still.
For armor the most is basically 2 soak light armor + sorcery enchantment spell. Anything more would require mage wondercrafting.
fictionfan
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Or we take it even further. Throw a bunch of animals in a maggot pit until we get a bunch with mutations for supernaturally strong bones and make armor out of that.
Debatable. For alchemy alone +1 soak materials is alchemy 3 dots; there is a whole lot more room for improvement.
Command the Dead is very versatile in general. Perhaps too versatile, even, with the whole 'yes, wood and oil can be used". Easily celestial tier, really. I mean, I see three main applications:
1) "almost as intended" - send dead bodies (or, to make it more usable, wood statues) into combat.
2) "clothes (rebellion) beam - anyone wearing cotton or leather will have a bad time when their very clothes get animated and either try to strangle them, or restrict their movement
3) "I am venom" - oil animation and manipulation.
Lydia having some occasional Celestial-ish effects is fine, given that we are continuing to push the "Lydia is a circlemate" line. I'd rather prefer that she'd start getting celestial stuff after actually doing the ascension rituals and stuff, but one cleverly exploited charm being stronger than expected is not the end of the world.
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Best mundane armor is 3 Armor/-1 Dex.
Adding our enchantment to it to eliminate the penalty and we have a great one.
It says nothing about effects of prolonged use by normals, actually. Mental or physical. I checked.
Not that it matters, because Molly is an Exalt.
She could snort lines of coke off the bellies of hookers, two-hand bottles of Everclear and be perfectly fine; by the rules of ExWoD, she can shake off HIV with no treatment in 5 weeks.
And it wouldnt be the point.
Molly has very good reasons to despise lifestyle drugs, and made promises to people she cared about when she got home after being arrested. Thats not something you get to handwave because magic.
We are not playing Killfuck Soulshitter who might be fine stabbing himself for power and has no friends to express concern at their lifestyle choices.
We are playing Margaret Katherine Amanda Carpenter, a teenager with a very particular background and upbringing that informs her characterization and decisions, and a living family and supporting cast who will have opinions about her choices. You cant benefit from the advantages and moan about the other facets of her characterization.
My brother in Christ, if coffee could keep you up for a week, it would be a controlled substance.
Even the Sorcery books either call it a no-sleep potion or an energy drink. Nobody calls it coffee.
And for good reason; a regular cup of coffee contains around 90-100mg of caffeine according to Google, while energy drinks routinely contain 3-4x that much in a serving, in addition to other components like guarana for a stimulant effect.
*squints*
Neat trick, but no. Doesnt work.
Carriage of the Ankou provides an escape/pursuit vehicle.
You're not getting that car down into Undertown to store combat servitors inside it so they can be active indefinitely; at most you can fit 2-4 small servitors in the trunk without drawing undue comment.
Conjuration Path would work better, except that it has much more limited range.
Possible? Sure. Portable? Nah.
Thats home defense/base material stuff. You're likely maxing out in the bobcat range for something that she can haul around with her in the trunk of a car or in a rucksack.
There's a charm already for summoning spirit hounds in the middle of the battlefield.
Expecting to build warmachines seems a little much.
Thats YOUR interpretation. Its only one option open to us in the canon ExWoD setting, or this setting.
Molly if she had to could make power armor, if she had Exalted crafting.
Mundane tech is...questionable.
Lydia produces golems.
She doesnt produce the biofeedback systems to actually animate and control it like a wearable suit.
She can make mounts, she cant make power armor.
Literally posted that.
Cutting a bigger gem into smaller pieces does fuckall about its Color and Clarity and Cut.
Those still stand out and draw attention.
Again, you can make shit too good to sell without drawing attention.
Which is very much something we dont want with our financials.
Big G is big on Free Will and mysterious ways.
Father Forthill is a priest, and a good one. His judgement is good, not perfect. Lasciel's coin made its way to Hannah Ascher less than a decade after Dresden handed it in to him.
Hell, like I pointed out, the SCD of the Library is a Federal organization that reports to bosses. They are not independent actors.
Howard can pass Forthill's sniff test and the organization could still have problematic issues.
We dont know, and should not be making binding decisions based on a single field agent.
Contacts? Sure. Information? Cool. Collaboration? Not until we're damn sure of the bona fides of your organization.
They exist, they do bad shit. What do you expect the Librarians to do about it?
We wiped out the Cleveland cell. Any assets we know are already going to be turned up by the ongoing federal and state investigation of the Souls Rest facility. There's nothing we know here of relevance, besides maybe their being backed by the Fomor, and even as young as we are we've been warned about pointing human agencies at supernatural Powers.
Right now, without buying any more Attributes, just a charm and a spell?
Base 5(Soul Sieve Transmutation, 3 dot) + Ebon Scales 1 + Steel Skin 2 + VLE 5 + Invulnerable Skin 4 = 17 Soak.
In shintai, it becomes
Base 5(Soul Sieve Transmutation, 3 dot) + Ebon Scales 1 + Steel Skin 2 + VLE 5 + Invulnerable Skin 4 + Demon Armor 4 = 21 Soak.
When we buy Blessing of the Earth Dragon and apply that to our armor, add +1 soak.
If we reforge Ebon Scales with that alchemical metal, add another +1 soak.
If we max out Stamina, add another +2 soak.
And thats with the benefit of Scar Writ Saga.
Soon enough they'll be trying to go around our soak, not through it.
Girl already has magic armor underneath the magic jacket she looted. Her father explicitly acquired it for her.
Can we make her better armor?
Maybe, but not without magic crafting.
Yup.
Of course, it could also just be that Dresden isnt a good enough enchanter yet to be able to make stuff that doesnt require maintenance. After all, Luccio's Warden swords dont appear to require maintenance.
As for gear, allegedly wizards turn up their noses at people who use anything more than a staff as being immature.
There appears to be an exception for potions
She has armor.
Her father literally told her where to pick up the armor he acquired for her in their last physical meeting.
We just dont know what it is because she wears it under her clothes.
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I'd like to note that Lydia originally produces zombies.
And DP noted that anything animated that is not a regular corpse will likely be even stupider and slower.
So she could propably copy Dresden's feat to make herself a dinosaur to ride, but anything as complex as Power Armor that has to move with her own movements seems very far out there.
Just agreeing with you.