Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

[X] Write in, Plan Viser!
-[X] Had you not been what you are, you'd have joined in a heartbeat. As it was, they can likely see well, what you do. Joining directly would have implications on many fronts. Instead, would they be willing to accept you as an aid, possible protector, sorta kinda joined wink wink nudge nudge. Basically you like them lots, but you don't want them to be overwhelmed by your official presence.
-[X] Lydia is naturally someone different though, and she has her own voice! She also has your very complete support.

I Want to keep friendly terms with the order both to help and to gain them as allies, but i really do fear that associating with us will bring attention from powerful entities on it.
 
We already have meta knowledge that the order of the Order of the Cauldron is being targeted. And even if we didn't the status quo of mortals being prey is basically the biggest thing we want to break.

Also if we join we should be able to invite them to a ward raising at the Dragon nest.
Watchful Bane upon the Thirty Sixth Threshold, you know instantly, as you do what the number means, this had been the thirty sixth apartment sold in this building back when it was new-built and you also know that this is the least god's true name, one a wizard might conjure by as though it had been spoken from its own lips. It makes sense since I made it I guess, but that would be so easy to abuse.

@DragonParadox : This seems like a good place to put the +2 essance for binding an unwholesome being into our service.
 
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Ackchually , @DragonParadox

Does SBS charmset looks like something you would be fine with once we are finally allowed custom charms? As a specific charmset and as a general example of the sort of charms you prolly going to see once the gates are opened.

Are we sure we didn't just nuke their obscurity into nothing by performing 30 sux 3 essence ritual in the middle of a huge city?

Nothing jumps up at me as being an automatic no go is all I can say at this point.

We already have meta knowledge that the order of the Order of the Cauldron is being targeted. And even if we didn't the status quo of mortals being prey is basically the biggest thing we want to break.

Also if we join we should be able to invite them to a ward raising at the Dragon nest.


@DragonParadox : This seems like a good place to put the +2 essance for binding an unwholesome being into our service.

Done, you are at 8/12 Essence right now
 
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I rather like the author note for the 7 burning seas.

Author's Note
Exalted vs World of Darkness's Infernal charms tend to focus strongly on destructive and coercive effects, providing less of the broader utility of their 2e charmsets and less temptation to try to suborn them to more constructive ends. This charmset was an attempt to partially address this while staying true to ExWoD's integration of Infernals into WoD.

More than that, however, this charmset was a personal project to tinker with ExWoD and storyteller mechanics and see what I could learn from fiddling with it, with the constraint of staying within Infernal thematics as an intentional limitation.

"How do you make a charm that cures disease?"
"Oh, just reference 'Terminate Illness' from page 148!"
"How do you make an Infernal charm that cures disease?" *
"Oh, uh, hmm…"

In all respects, the thematics proved the most difficult part of this exercise. If a charm is too weak or too strong you can change the numbers. If a charm is too "nice" then the temptation is to either add a drawback or a complication…which can lead to the charm being too complex.

Complexity creep was a constant concern. Complexity makes it difficult for charms to feel like a cohesive set, compounding the trouble with thematics. Do not write a charm with system text longer than three paragraphs. Do not create a new mechanic whole cloth and then try to structure a charmset around it. Do not attempt to write a manse building or geomancy charm.

The charmset is a little short of the 20 charms that the other hells contain, but all said and done, I am pleased with what I wrote! Every charm should be functional and roughly on par with the base charms, and while they tend to be less overtly malicious than in ExWoD I think I avoided making any of them "nice."

- Kingfisher

It is a interesting problem. How to make charms that are useful without making the 'nice'.
 
[X] Yes, join the Order of the Cauldron

We need more minions and these ones can mostly take care of themselves since that's what stopped us from recruiting more people in the Undertown.
 
Snow*

order is a lot bugger
Bigger*

[X] Write in, Plan Viser!
-[X] Had you not been what you are, you'd have joined in a heartbeat. As it was, they can likely see well, what you do. Joining directly would have implications on many fronts. Instead, would they be willing to accept you as an aid, possible protector, sorta kinda joined wink wink nudge nudge. Basically you like them lots, but you don't want them to be overwhelmed by your official presence.
-[X] Lydia is naturally someone different though, and she has her own voice! She also has your very complete support.
 
[X] Write in, Plan Viser!
-[X] Had you not been what you are, you'd have joined in a heartbeat. As it was, they can likely see well, what you do. Joining directly would have implications on many fronts. Instead, would they be willing to accept you as an aid, possible protector, sorta kinda joined wink wink nudge nudge. Basically you like them lots, but you don't want them to be overwhelmed by your official presence.
-[X] Lydia is naturally someone different though, and she has her own voice! She also has your very complete support.

I Want to keep friendly terms with the order both to help and to gain them as allies, but i really do fear that associating with us will bring attention from powerful entities on it.
It's not like they have an online registry or acknowledgment under the accords. As far as the supernatural is concerned they're a half step above herd of wild animals, not a nation or organization.

Hanging around them is riskier than joining because the level of association is very similar but with less certainty we'll actually do stuff for them from an outsider perspective.

[X] Yes, join the Order of the Cauldron

For now I think we should network, establish a reputation, and get in a with the little people.

Someone with Molly's power and no interest in mutilating people's souls (for the most part) is a rarity they could really use. On a pragmatic level it's also good business for us because we can start offering the desperate actually reasonable deals for stuff.

Being effectively the only option that will give real results without a hidden hook would let us corner the market fairly easily.

Which is a net positive for everyone as long as we don't start abusing them.
Yes, they are, and their best defence is obscurity, followed by not being worth the effort.

None of these people would be anything less than canon fodder when faced by a Faerie Lady or a Black Court Vampire. And we are not yet powerful enough to protect them.

We generate attention like nobody else and so joining the organisation will do nothing but bring them harm in the long run.

Better to remain independent, but able to be called on if needed.
They've already got attention because we built a god in one of their senior member's living room.

They're also fodder for everyone; being run over by a tank might do more damage than being mauled by a bear, but they're such overkill for guys like this that the difference barely matters.

I think they'd be safer because if it gets to the point where our reputation is enough to get them attacked then it's also enough to protect them from their usual predators.

A smaller number of more powerful beings would be involved, and would be calculating their actions against our potential reprisals.

People would get hurt, but I'd be surprised if the net number that die horrible deaths doesn't go down by that point.

Then there's the long term improvements. If we start getting integrated now then by the time we have the broader charms we'll have greater leverage to use them.

Remember that minor practitioner doesn't mean they're toothless, it means they don't have the magical breadth of a wizard. Getting some people swole enough to summon demon hit squads or burn down apartment buildings is technically in their reach with the right support.

I'd like to see a wyldfey try chasing someone into our hell realm, or a black court vampire play tag with a few evokers roided up on VEE.
 
Pass-the-Buck Sutemi (••) is very funny in Molly's case since she is in fact very religious and is part of the catholic church which the white god is officially the head of even if he doesn't seem to get involved in the day to day affairs. So if Molly used this charm the white god starts detecting as the king of hell.
This is very funny and I suddenly want to see this happen. I'm sure there won't even be a consequence.

Pass-the-Buck Sutemi (••)

The Infernal debases themself to act as an underling and in so doing casts their hellish nature upon their "superior."
System: As long as the Infernal either acts as another's subordinate or holds a non-leadership position in an organization they may freely and reflexively contest any supernatural attempt to detect them as being Wyrm-tainted, a Creature of Darkness, or similarly malignant with a Manipulation + (Subterfuge or Law) roll against difficulty 7. On a success, the Infernal falsely registers as clean. This difficulty increases by one if the Infernal has acted in a manner significantly contrary to their position since the last sunrise.
This charm causes supernatural detection to register any of the Infernal's direct superiors as significantly tainted, even if this would not normally be the case. After all, surely only a great evil would presume to command the loyalty of an Infernal.

"After all," says the Exaltation for the White God "surely only a great evil would presume to command the loyalty of an Infernal."

Not one.
 
So, theoretically speaking, if we were to attempt to improve the wards (originally it was possilbe to make both protections one after another) - how would that manifest, now that the least god is here? Armor for the doggo?
 
So, theoretically speaking, if we were to attempt to improve the wards (originally it was possilbe to make both protections one after another) - how would that manifest, now that the least god is here? Armor for the doggo?

You would need something other than Path of Curses to focus the ritual, this place is about as cursed as it is safe to be, how that manifest depends on what other path you use.
 
Someone has Enchantment.

Getting the Doggo a shining armor should be possible.
Or a aura-detector for when people try to sneak in invisible.
 
The various Order members are prime minion recruitment material once we learn VEE. They're a continuously preyed upon minority within the supernatural community, generally with just enough power to be attractive targets without having enough to properly defend themselves. IIRC, there are multiple potential merits we can grant them that would include a significant boost in magical power? From there, they would just need practice and/or instruction to become accustomed to no longer being on the bottom rung of the ladder.
Most people's reaction to VEE will be to run away fast, not "cool, free stuff."

Those are people used to getting the short end with fae-deals.
 
Most people's reaction to VEE will be to run away fast, not "cool, free stuff."

Those are people used to getting the short end with fae-deals.
Well not most people in terms of general population. Because the general population isn't very well informed and VEE was clearly designed with the intent to take advantage of people.

I wonder if we can get aura on Fomori we make? Because those would be minions worth taking along.
 
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@DragonParadox is there any infernzl charms that create minions like Doggo?

How limited would they be? Would they be valid target's for training charms?
Yes basically all the ones that create Fomori. And yes they would be valid targets for training charms.

But if you want to make them from scratch
Least God of the Threshold Created -> Constructive Convergence of Principles Charm discounted by 2 XP
Constructive Convergence of Principles Charm is clearly the way to go about doing it reliably.
 
They now hold a place of power. They are safe while in it, but holding it brings attention.

Also, they could be useful if trained up. Our training charm is sh*t, to be honest, but even outside of it, we could still train them up. Helen at least should have a lot of experience handling large quantities of money. That alone should be worth getting her as a minion (and let's be honest, this is essentially "do we get these people as minions" vote, with some intermediary steps).

This also helps Rosie, giving her peers in magic to interact with. I suspect that she and Helen would hit it off. Helen destroyed her life much more thoroughly than Rosie did, and is rebuilding it, and Rosie might work as a daughter substitute for Helen, at least a bit. They are not much, but they can be more. Even if we are not a solar.
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They hold a place of refuge. Somewhere they can run to and stash people when being hunted, and which they cant be dispossessed of. But this is not a Dragons Nest or Demonreach; they get no benefits to spellcasting or supernatural workings.

It is of no benefit to others except maybe pure curiosity. And its not worth the trouble for others to try and take.

Yes, our training charm sucks as it currently stands.
One Hundred Devil Disciples is definitely better than Chirality Prohibition Index, even if it is more expensive, so maybe we'll get to buy that instead.

Rosie could probably use the Ordo Lebes as an independent support group of magic women yes.
But thats a very different question from us joining up.
And arguably our joining would diminish a lot of its utility to Rosie as a protected place where she can begin to make new friends.

Like, I dunno. We already contacted these guys, and performed a - comparatively, for this day and age - major working with them. Lydia also might join regardless of Molly, too. Would stepping back make things safer for these people, at this point? Looks like we already left a pretty noticeable trace of Infernal Shenanigans on them, that other supernatural being could notice. Feels like we are just leaving them alone after creating trouble.

When DP allows custom charms, we could either try to unlock SBS charmset or make a custom Wicked City charm that allows Path training. Rn we are kind of in awkward spot, tho.
Yes, actually.

Dresden does work for a lot of people, everything from exorcisms to hostage rescue to curse breaking and diplomacy, but that doesnt automatically make them targets. Morgan receiving a Favor from the Summer Court didnt automatically make him a target for Winter and the Fomor.

I mean, we went up against the Fomor and a raksha in Cleveland, and left all the seniors there alone; if we arent worried about reprisals against the old people, we arent going to worry about these minor talents getting targeted for getting a gift from Molly.
Especially not in our own city of Chicago, where Molly is usually just several minutes away by flight.
 
Yes, actually.

Dresden does work for a lot of people, everything from exorcisms to hostage rescue to curse breaking and diplomacy, but that doesnt automatically make them targets. Morgan receiving a Favor from the Summer Court didnt automatically make him a target for Winter and the Fomor.

I mean, we went up against the Fomor and a raksha in Cleveland, and left all the seniors there alone; if we arent worried about reprisals against the old people, we arent going to worry about these minor talents getting targeted for getting a gift from Molly.
Especially not in our own city of Chicago, where Molly is usually just several minutes away by flight.
By this reasoning we definitely shouldn't be associating with Rosie or maintaining social ties with our mundane school friends. Our involvement gives these people a lot of options, many of which start "use Molly as a power tap to strongly upscale our available resources". I kinda expect a lot of enchantment to happen if we join, making protective objects for the mortals. I don't think that any special reprisal would happen against them if we keep associating with them, unless and until they start to actively help us in our actions (and I mean beyond "being involved in making various enchanted objects for us"). I mean, Harry associated with the Alphas, and they didn't face any special attacks.
 
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