Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

From here: "DCS can also occur in relatively shallow depths—in fact there have been isolated cases in children in very shallow, 1 meter depths.5 Usually depths of about 20 feet are more common for DCS.6"

Underwater treasure recovery looks more and more interesting. I propose we look at a globe and ask the question "what is the location of the greatest underwater treasure that no one is looking for?" (or something along the lines, with implicit qualifiers that we are looking for a treasure no one who is anyone claimed, and such). After we take BSM and PoRA, we could spend a day or two making a speedy boat and go on an adventure.

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MIchael can't, however.
Too vague to proc I think or it would default to what an infernal exaltation thinks is great. Honestly a good Wikipedia crawl can find us the locations of a fuck ton of artifacts.
 
Too vague to proc I think or it would default to what an infernal exaltation thinks is great. Honestly a good Wikipedia crawl can find us the locations of a fuck ton of artifacts.
I wouldn't mind finding something like an old Warstrider or, hell, Luthe (of course, the nightmare scenario is the Leviathan is still alive... let's hope not). Or a large concentration of magical materials.

There are several sunken ships not yet found in 2006 with billions and tens of billions worth of treasure. We could make a grab for them, but that would also anger South American governments and possibly a few others. That's why I specified "that no one is looking for".
 
Nah. Thats what Swift Stride, Wind Born Stride and Conveyance Path are for.
I was just looking at the charms, and had a silly thonk, my expectations were minimal.

Mind Hand allows the user to fly if they get 3+ sux on its roll, whereas one could pretty reliably roll 10+ without specc'ing into it too hard. Theoretically, it could also provide additional acceleration to someone who is already capable of flying. It is a bit of a mechanical janky weirdness, though, so DP nixing it is not unexpected.
 
MIchael can't, however
Michael is in a pressurized submersible, and submariners dont suffer compression sickness.
And for most people, DCS only starts becoming a factor below 100 feet/30m or so anyway.
Half serious here, but just how polluted is the lake at this time? That could affect if we can breathe under it or not... ;)
Could be much worse.
Definitely not polluted enough to count.
I wouldn't mind finding something like an old Warstrider or, hell, Luthe (of course, the nightmare scenario is the Leviathan is still alive... let's hope not). Or a large concentration of magical materials.

There are several sunken ships not yet found in 2006 with billions and tens of billions worth of treasure. We could make a grab for them, but that would also anger South American governments and possibly a few others. That's why I specified "that no one is looking for".
Way too much attention and grief.
Even if there is a gold shipwreck and you successfully recover it, keeping it is at least as hard of a problem as all sorts of claimants come out of the woodwork. Including governments, and they fight dirty

See the Black Swan Project, that recovered roughly half a billion dollars worth of bullion, and promptly had it seized by the Spanish government. Tried some shady maneuvering , and got fined a million dollars on top of that for their trouble
Black Swan Project - Wikipedia

Lottery. Diamonds. Gold transmutation if possible. Less grief. Talk to Lydia's father's financial advisors about how to launder funds legally without drawing attention; if Arawn's been living in the mortal world for centuries, he has to have been able to move his money without some tax service noticing that the owner has been alive for several hundred years.

Same as wizards
 
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From here: "DCS can also occur in relatively shallow depths—in fact there have been isolated cases in children in very shallow, 1 meter depths.5 Usually depths of about 20 feet are more common for DCS.6"

Underwater treasure recovery looks more and more interesting. I propose we look at a globe and ask the question "what is the location of the greatest underwater treasure that no one is looking for?" (or something along the lines, with implicit qualifiers that we are looking for a treasure no one who is anyone claimed, and such). After we take BSM and PoRA, we could spend a day or two making a speedy boat and go on an adventure.

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MIchael can't, however.

'Greatest' is a bit vague, the Exaltation cannot make value judgements so you are going to have to specify what kind of great you mean.
 
I wouldn't mind finding something like an old Warstrider or, hell, Luthe (of course, the nightmare scenario is the Leviathan is still alive... let's hope not). Or a large concentration of magical materials.
Warstrider is prolly far too much to hope for. A singular Daiklave surviving is a "probably not, but it isn't so improbable that you couldn't make it work." Bigass mecha that even during events of E2 needed regular maintenance to function is waaaay too much.

We prolly could make one, though. If we wanted to. Eventually, once we have Alchemy at the point where we can create supernaturally good materials.
 
Way too much attention and grief.
Even if there is a gold shipwreck and you successfully recover it, keeping it is at least as hard of a problem as all sorts of claimants come out of the woodwork. Including governments, and they fight dirty

See the Black Swan Project, that recovered roughly half a billion dollars worth of bullion, and promptly had it seized by the Spanish government. Tried some shady maneuvering , and got fined a million dollars on top of that for their trouble
Black Swan Project - Wikipedia
Which is why I specified "no one is looking for". I could also add "no one has a standing claim on".
'Greatest' is a bit vague, the Exaltation cannot make value judgements so you are going to have to specify what kind of great you mean.
Hmm, what about "the location of the greatest in terms of magical power sunken treasure that no one is looking for and no currently active power has a standing claim on?"
 
Which is why I specified "no one is looking for". I could also add "no one has a standing claim on".
Nobody was looking for it until it was found.

And there's always someone with a standing claim to the contents of a shipwreck.
Descendants of the captain and crew, or heirs to the companies involved. Governments of the countries whose precious metals were looted, and the governments doing the looting.

At very best you get tied up in litigation for years, with no assurance of success.
Odyssey was in litigation for five years before they lost the case to the Spanish govt, and the Peruvians were still suing Spain last I remember to recover it from them.

Not to mention there's a genuine archeological case for preventing people from melting down bullion from treasure wrecks in favor of sending it to museums. And museums generally cant pay market rates for precious metals.
The juice doesnt seem to be worth the squeeze.
 
Nobody was looking for it until it was found.

And there's always someone with a standing claim to the contents of a shipwreck.
Descendants of the captain and crew, or heirs to the companies involved. Governments of the countries whose precious metals were looted, and the governments doing the looting.

At very best you get tied up in litigation for years, with no assurance of success.
Odyssey was in litigation for five years before they lost the case to the Spanish govt, and the Peruvians were still suing Spain last I remember to recover it from them.

Not to mention there's a genuine archeological case for preventing people from melting down bullion from treasure wrecks in favor of sending it to museums. And museums generally cant pay market rates for precious metals.
The juice doesnt seem to be worth the squeeze.
For money it's probably not worth our time yeah; even if we could get the money it'd probably be even more attention grabbing than winning the lottery. It'd certainly make people more curious since there's the possibility of an interesting story behind how someone found treasure that isn't there for someone buying tickets.


That said, it could be worth playing with when looking for interesting magical reagents/items.

Not necessarily full on working enchantments, but stuff like those monks' missing bones that has potential utility unworked.

Also, paying someone who's annoyed us on nearly impossible to liquidate doubloons would be the ancient monster version of giving exact change in sticky pennies. So if we have the free time keeping a few around for the purposes of being petty might be worth the time. :V
 
It takes 5 successes to get red vampires not to betray on a dime. How does anyone work with those guys?
 
It takes 5 successes to get red vampires not to betray on a dime. How does anyone work with those guys?
5 successes to not immediately betray us; I wouldn't put money on them leaving us be if we do something that makes us look vulnerable.

The treachery shouldn't be that surprising; they're only here in the first place to backstab their own ally because they're doing too well.
 
I wouldn't mind finding something like an old Warstrider or, hell, Luthe (of course, the nightmare scenario is the Leviathan is still alive... let's hope not). Or a large concentration of magical materials.

There are several sunken ships not yet found in 2006 with billions and tens of billions worth of treasure. We could make a grab for them, but that would also anger South American governments and possibly a few others. That's why I specified "that no one is looking for".
Oh I have no doubt it would work just mentioning Wikipedia alone could net us dozens of lost items as long as we use said items in the wiki articles as the focus. Though some of the stuff is bound to be in the never never or held by important supernatural actors. The worlds big though and many many things have to just be lying around.
 
For money it's probably not worth our time yeah; even if we could get the money it'd probably be even more attention grabbing than winning the lottery. It'd certainly make people more curious since there's the possibility of an interesting story behind how someone found treasure that isn't there for someone buying tickets.


That said, it could be worth playing with when looking for interesting magical reagents/items.
Not necessarily full on working enchantments, but stuff like those monks' missing bones that has potential utility unworked.

Also, paying someone who's annoyed us on nearly impossible to liquidate doubloons would be the ancient monster version of giving exact change in sticky pennies. So if we have the free time keeping a few around for the purposes of being petty might be worth the time. :V
Thats incredibly petty. I approve :V
But yeah, tracking down specific shipwrecks for magical trinkets, fragments of the hull as crafting reagents or diplomatic leverage makes sense. Just dont try to move money.

It takes 5 successes to get red vampires not to betray on a dime. How does anyone work with those guys?
Its a society where the tone has been set by feudal elders hundreds or thousands of years old who think that.
Betrayal and paranoia is part of Rampire society.
That basically has selected for people who thrive in that environment. Self-fulfilling prophecy at this point.

I mean, its worth remembering that the plot for Changes, the blood ritual that ended up wiping out the Red Court?
Was primarily motivated by Arianna Ortega trying to kill Ebenezar McCoy, and in doing so, accumulate enough political clout to overthrow her father the Red King.

And her father sent the Eebs to Chicago to kill or turn Dresden to neutralize her play. When that didnt work, he connived to put her in a magic duel with Dresden, who was now the Winter Knight, and she was forbidden to engage in melee.
Squish.
5 successes to not immediately betray us; I wouldn't put money on them leaving us be if we do something that makes us look vulnerable. The treachery shouldn't be that surprising; they're only here in the first place to backstab their own ally because they're doing too well.
Im counting on them trying to betray us at some point, probably after the Fomor are dead.
If nothing else, Im counting on the discovery of any gossamer being a flashpoint.

I would be surprised if they didnt try to jump us.
 
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Oh I have no doubt it would work just mentioning Wikipedia alone could net us dozens of lost items as long as we use said items in the wiki articles as the focus. Though some of the stuff is bound to be in the never never or held by important supernatural actors. The worlds big though and many many things have to just be lying around.
Basically, loot Atlantis. And yes, it exists in Dresden Files, at least according to Maeve in Cold Days:
Maeve let out a peal of giggles. "It's true," she said. "She means to destroy the mortal world, wizard, and to do it this very night—to unleash chaos and havoc that have not been known since the fall of Atlantis. And make no mistake, she will destroy it."
I am fairly sure we could probably find some valuable magical trinkets there.
 
Which is why I specified "no one is looking for". I could also add "no one has a standing claim on".

Hmm, what about "the location of the greatest in terms of magical power sunken treasure that no one is looking for and no currently active power has a standing claim on?"

Magical is still pretty vague. For a necromancer the corpse of a long dead kraken might be the greatest magical treasure, but it would not do much use for a mage whose skill is principally in evocation.
 
Magical is still pretty vague. For a necromancer the corpse of a long dead kraken might be the greatest magical treasure, but it would not do much use for a mage whose skill is principally in evocation.
Ok, I'll have to work on specifics later. Probably something like "aligned with our power" (or would that fall under "exaltation can't see itself"?). But otherwise, I would probably just go with "the oldest". That could lead to fun possibilities.
 
Ok, I'll have to work on specifics later. Probably something like "aligned with our power" (or would that fall under "exaltation can't see itself"?). But otherwise, I would probably just go with "the oldest". That could lead to fun possibilities.

Aligned with Molly's power would fall afoul of not being able to see the Exaltation unfortunately, but you could ask for say alchemy materials once you have the path magic.
 
TBH, unless it is truly awesome in nature, random ancient loot is not really worth the hassle for us. Most of random 3-4 dots magic junk we'll be able to bash out in a day of work, or commission from our Hell magi/crafters. Once we finish the build basics, at least.

Looking for artifacts with Crown
I guess there is our hook for the Last Daiklave excavation quest. Other than that... If we are doing Linear Magic, we definitively could look for Sorcerous Grimoires; besides allowing to learn dots of paths, they also allow to learn Sorcerous Merits at half-price. Some of those are pretty good.
 
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Arguably their single most important feature; it practically should have been written over the front doors of the solar deliberative. :V

Which is ironic when you consider that one of Sol's functions in creation was to the the standard against which all value was assessed, as he was perfect. That is why the call him he Polestar of Quality, he is the one who defines how one thing is better or worse than another.
 
Not sure why we'd ask for just one dp already said we can have a list of questions Molly asks when we aren't playing her even a couple a day will net us an absurd amount once the quest gets going in time.
 
Not sure why we'd ask for just one dp already said we can have a list of questions Molly asks when we aren't playing her even a couple a day will net us an absurd amount once the quest gets going in time.
Questions:
Truth of aliens
Location of ruins/artifacts/secrets of Atlantis, Mu, and Lemuria
True nature/purpose of the Egyptian pyramids
Location of anything written in Old Realm
 
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