X] Attempt commandeer the aid of the Red Court in this matter
@firefrog600
Hey, you need to close the bracket on your vote.
And is that enough to instantly change the "character" of the location? Especially given that it is a place that is/was heavily steeped in the Fomor's influence? I don't know the answer to that question, but I'm guessing that it's not enough that it would be easy.
Plus even if they could, they would be crossing over with no idea of what is on the other side. Which is as I understand it, a very bad idea. A desperation move at the very best.
The Reds getting away with gossamer would be bad. Which is why we aren't going to let them. We are going to be killing them. Plain and simple. Teaming up with them would in fact seem to me to make more likely that they might be able to get away with gossamer, by pulling a fast one/successful betrayal on us.
Letting the Reds leave would be bad for reasons beyond just the number of people they will kill in the future. Reasons like: Their knowledge of our capabilities. Or the fact that they would now know we have the gossamer. I would much rather there be no witnesses to report back on us.
And just because other people in other circumstances have had to refrain from destroying evil because of practical concerns, doesn't mean we should excuse evil here and now. Especially since we have the power to do so. There are 18 vampires. There will likely be far fewer once they are done fighting the Fomor. Perfectly within our capability to vanquish.
As long as we don't stupidly screw up the timing nobody is going to be getting away with anything (except for us). And doesn't Lydia have charms specifically for hunting down enemies? Between that, our flight, and our crown and our sub, I don't think anyone is getting away from us. Not while carrying a container of gossamer too.
So I see little benefit in teaming up with them, and significant costs.
I also object on ground of just wanting to keep things simple. Commandeering the Red Court Vampires here to help us on the assault is an extra complication. Keep things simple. We don't need to try and scare a bunch of Red Court vampires into doing what we want. We can just let them do what they were going to do anyway, because it was already pretty close to what we wanted. Waiting and then attacking when the opportunity arises is not being cute. It's the simplest tactic in existence.
Basically I think that the idea that they will escape and we will lose out on the gossamer if we wait is incorrect.
1)Thomas can cross over from the NeverNever at the Raith Deeps because he was almost killed there.
All Raiths can use strip clubs and the like because sex/lust; Thomas did this with Michael as a passenger.
There is as far as Im aware no requirement that it be repeated for any extra period of time on one spot. Once the threshold is met, its been met.
2)You want to let them go ahead, wait for the two factions to fight it out, then take our time to enter the base in their wake.
Thats basically begging for someone to get out with the loot.
Murphy's law is still a thing in this setting, and we would be attempting to walk through an unfamiliar base with unfamiliar hazards while watching out for any lurking opposition in the shadows.
You are badly mistaken if you think its something that can be done at speed.
In a chase, the runner always has the advantage over the pursuer, because the pursuer has to watch for traps, fakeouts and ambushes from the runner. The runner doesnt.
Same principle.
3)And yes, its potentially perilous to blind jump into the NeverNever. For humans. Much less so for vamps.
Red Court vampires survive and regenerate gunshots to the head as long as they retain blood in the belly. Thats why they never wear armor in canon. There's a reason Im rather pleased that Transcendent Anathema is a thing and allows us to deal Agg.
4)It is precisely the reason we should pay attention to their example.
We are barely a month and half as an Infernal; paying attention to how things are done and why is literally why we have Michael as a Mentor 5. This is neither the time nor the place for moral crusading. The immediate satisfaction of arranging the death of a Rampire task force pales in comparison to increasing the risk of letting magic plutonium get away into hostile hands.
Especially given how quickly Rampires can replace mooks.
5)Not to mention that Molly has read Lord of the Rings.
Critically, the lesson of Gollum: Never be too quick to kill, even where its deserved. There's a reason why routinely killing your enemies in the presence of alternative practical solutions is explicitly right there in the ExWoD sourcebook as devaluing the value of your soul.
6) We are an Infernal Exalt and heir to a Hell. Our father wields Amoracchius, our brother dates the daughter of a death god, our crush is a wizard of the White Council and half brother of a Whampire, and we have a job offer from someone who is both a magic contractor for a Mafia boss and liegesworn to Odin, who is also Santa Claus,.
Simplicity was never an option.
