Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Our ability to do DF style crafting is a direct consequence of being able to do DF style, non Sorcery magic. So better start on that front and find out whats going on.

The spirit fetish crafting Infernal Charm doesn't interact with that at all, most likely.

Occult isn't Craft, though. And this doesn't address that it depends on our Dresden magic ability not Exalted Charm or Sorcery.

It is great, but it's also a time consuming skill to master to any significant degree, and one that can only really be useful after you've already had years of traditional magical education. Like you said, Harry isn't that great at it himself, having narrowly focused most of his work toward combat applications, and it's taken him decades to reach that point.

Time being the most precious of resources, it would probably be better to focus ours on furthering other aspects of our personal power and then use that to acquire sufficient resources to pay more experienced practitioners to craft stuff for our use.

Time being the most precious of resources, it would probably be better to focus ours on furthering other aspects of our personal power and then use that to acquire sufficient resources to pay more experienced practitioners to craft stuff for our use.
I suspected that those three dots in craft were going to end being a waste.

Well have to see though.

Keep in mind @Goldfish time doesn't get us more XP. I don't really know what does.

We can also essentially double our free time with nightmare fugue vigilance.

Then make crafting go five times as fast with the wicked city 1 dot charm :V

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Honestly I would really like a blasting wand that shoots hellfire. Thatd be pretty dope.
 
Based on Harry's work, Craft is useful for going the extra mile, but if the concepts are right, basic handicrafts skill is enough for his initial duster and blasting rod
If it really depends on our Occult then there isn't more we can do to get better at it at five dots of Occult. Except maybe raise Int.

We can also essentially double our free time with nightmare fugue vigilance.
Yeah, but it also slaps down our WP regen. As sleep regens it. There are no stunt WP rewards here, and neither are there Natures as of yet.
 
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I wanted that one dot charm so badly Q_Q
We don't really...want to Craft anything? We don't use armor as its real conspicious in a city, we have a good sword that's always on us, we can't even make Fetishes until we have that Charm AND have some Spirits we'd like to use.

If we do get it, its going to be very much later.
Also, if we DO still have magic ability, Occult won't help us with casting.

Remember that Occult is old, old knowledge. Occult 5 didnt even give us info about soulgazes, so this is newfangled stuff. We'd have to wait until Harry teaches us.
 
We don't really...want to Craft anything? We don't use armor as its real conspicious in a city, we have a good sword that's always on us, we can't even make Fetishes until we have that Charm AND have some Spirits we'd like to use.
That never stopped either of our parents.

Check our favored skills again @Valkhir

Also as a sword snob. The sword we summon from inside our souls is incredibly mediocre. Walmart brand sword. We can do better even before making it a minor magic item like dresdenverse has.
 
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Also as a sword snob. The sword we summon from inside our souls is incredibly mediocre. Walmart brand sword. We can do better even before making it a minor magic item like dresdenverse has.
Uhhh, not really. Artifacts as if from Exalted don't even exist, and we can't make them. The most we can make are fetishes like Werewolves or Talismans like Mages, and the Talisman Charm is 5 dots.

Our sword is as good a sword as it gets without some stuff we can't even approach doing yet.

Edit: Hell, not only have Artifacts died out, and the universe seemingly doesn't support them anymore, even stuff like the Godspear of Sol is just...not around anymore, at all.

At least in ExWoD proper, which seems to be going strong here as correct regarding stuff like this.
 
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Uhhh, not really. Artifacts as if from Exalted don't even exist, and we can't make them. The most we can make are fetishes like Werewolves or Talismans like Mages, and the Talisman Charm is 5 dots.

Our sword is as good a sword as it gets without some stuff we can't even approach doing yet.
... a +2 damage difficulty 6 weapon is a generic unmodified off the shelf sword you could get anywhere or that could be made by and for anyone. I promise you better swords exist Valkhir. You don't have to settle for Walmart brand demon sword. It will be okay.

There should be plenty of small improvements we can make, and even a number of large ones. Though probably better to consult with our mother and father. The seasoned warrior and seasoned blacksmith.

Also no comment on craft being a favored skill?

  • Shield Bracelet: A bracelet with several shields on it that allows Dresden to focus his will with greater ease in order to create his forcefields. Thanks to this focus, Dresden can create his shields without needing to speak the spell. Initially, this shield could only block matter (albeit this includes non-corporeal spiritual matter) and kinetic energy, but after the events of Blood Rites and the incineration of his hand, he upgraded it prior to White Night so it could also block heat, cold, electricity, light, sound, and a large spectrum of magical energies, albeit at a higher energy cost than the previous bracelet. He can also make the shield mirrored.
  • Blasting Rod: A wooden rod inscribed with various runes that allows Dresden to focus his will with greater ease into fire based attacks.
  • Wizard's Staff: An all-purpose focus, but one that Dresden primarily uses for the manipulation of force and wind.
  • Sword Cane: A sword cane with runic enhancements on the blade to increase its strength, and a sheath that allows Dresden to focus his will with greater ease for earth / magnetism magic.
  • Enchanted Duster: A large duster that is enchanted to increase its protective abilities, protecting Dresden from close-range shotgun blasts and assault rifle fire. It is also apparently "slippery", making a napalm-like substance that should have stuck to it simply slide off.
  • A lump of chalk for quickly drawing magic circles.
  • A revolver (the specific type has varied over the books) for when magic isn't useful.
  • Force Ring: A silver ring that stores a small bit of kinetic force every time Dresden moves his arm. When activated, the accumulated kinetic force is released in a blast of invisible energy. Prior to White Night, Harry upgrades this ring, tripling their effective force storage and output, and creating 5 of them that he wears on every finger of his right hand.
 
Uh no? What about it? We'll have to see if Dresden magic crafting works for us and how.

The Talisman crafting Charm for example rolls Int+Occult to design it then just fill in the Craft rolls of making it at our leisure iirc.
You really gave me the impression you were down on crafting.
We don't really...want to Craft anything? We don't use armor as its real conspicious in a city, we have a good sword that's always on us, we can't even make Fetishes until we have that Charm AND have some Spirits we'd like to use.
So my bad I suppose?

Though your right about making talismans possibly being occult rather than craft.
 
You really gave me the impression you were down on crafting.

So my bad I suppose?

Though your right about making talismans possibly being occult rather than craft.
Crafting doesn't personally interest me, neither do I find it cool. But if its a good source of enhancing stuff I DO like, like Melee and Occult, then naturally I'd want to use it.

I just vastly prefer stuff that directly enhances us like Charms or Sorcery.

Edit: You know, I got an idea.

Next time we see a Warden, let's use Crown of Eyes on his sword and find out how to make one. Even if we can't do it ourselves we can have Harry or some Warlock minion do it later.

Edit 2: Warden sword with Transcendent Anathema will go through nearly everything even before making it a fetish.
 
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On the subject of crafting, Artifact crafting in Exalted can get absurdly busted, and is relatively low-cost for what it gets you in both Exalted 2nd and 3rd edition. However, I don't really know anything about Exalted vs WoD, maybe stuff's different there.

Also hi, I'm new here. It's fun to see a DragonParadox quest I can actually catch up on.
 
However, I don't really know anything about Exalted vs WoD, maybe stuff's different there.
Exalted style Artifacts don't exist in ExWoD.

Artifacts such as the Godspear or Sol's Panoply also no longer exist, and its spelled out the whatever form of Exalts remain, cannot craft anything like even a Daiklave, not to mention higher things.

I think there was an optional rules hack called The Last Daiklave which has...some, but its like finding N/A level Artifacts in 2e Exalted, comparatively, and I don't think you can make them even then.

Edit: Theoretically Talismans (from M20 rules) and Fetishes from Werewolves fill a similar role, but with power and breadth adjusted for this Age unless you can truly go crazy with dice/resources/time.

Then its actually pretty good even by Exalted standards imo, mechanically.
 
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Bloodless Murk Evasion or Ablation of Brass and Fire, I haven't seen Perfect Attacks in the Infernal exwod doc yet or glossed over it, Raw-Edged Paranoia, Freedom Let's Go deals with everything but you also release an Intimacy.

I would ask the QM if we could combo Freedom Lets Go with that Hell of Boiling Oil Charm that gives a magical Intimacy of "I hate X" that reduces difficulty of actions against the target and you can switch it in some circumsances and Freedom Lets Go so it costs more WP or Essence in aggregate, but can let us skip the worst cost.

No you cannot use Freedom Lets Go on an intimacy you made yourselves with charm that defeats the price in an unfun way IMO.
 
Exalted style Artifacts don't exist in ExWoD.
How about in Dresden Files?

The last daiklave is an incredibly impressive and
grossly impossible sword that looks like whatever you
want it to look like. It weighs over forty pounds and
can't be wielded by anyone without superhuman
Strength (6+), and even then, it's no more wieldy than
swinging a sharpened bulldozer blade around: attacks
are made at difficulty 8, and it inflicts a mere Strength
+ 3 lethal damage, since it's nearly impossible to get
the weapon up to full speed or to deliver strikes with
any precision. Unless, of course, it falls into the hands
of one of the Exalted, who can attune it.
Attuning to the last daiklave requires the Exalt to reduce
the capacity of her Essence pool by one point. While
attuned, the last daiklave feels no heavier in her hand
than any other sword. Attacks made with it are rolled at
difficulty 4, it inflicts Strength + 5 aggravated damage,
and it is flatly immune to any effort or magic intended
to damage or break the weapon. Any attempt to block the
last daiklave is rolled at difficulty 7 thanks to the incredible
weight and impossible sharpness of the blade.
An awe inspiring feat of artifice for sure.

The difficulty to attack with a klaive is 6, and it inflicts
Strength + 2 aggravated damage. Werewolves cannot soak
this damage unless in their breed form.
Stats from a Klaive. An ancestral werewolf artifact weapon.

Which is honestly heartbreaking.

Melee Weapons Chart
Weapon Damage Conceal
Sap+ Strength +1 P
Club+ Strength +2 T
Knife Strength +1 J
Sword Strength +2 T
Axe Strength +3 N
Stake* Strength +1 T
All the standard weapons from vampire 20. Just... wow.

And lastly the exalted table.

Weapon Difficulty Damage Conceal
Axe 7 Strength + 3L T
Baseball bat 6 Strength + 2B T
Brass Knuckles 6 Strength + 0L P
Chainsaw* 8 Strength + 5L N
Chair 7 Strength + 2B N
Crowbar 6 Strength + 1L J
Great sword* 7 Strength + 4L N
Knife 6 Strength + 1L P
Spear 5 Strength + 1L N
Stake 7 Strength + 1L J
Staff 5 Strength + 1B N
Sword 6 Strength + 2L T
Table* 8 Strength + 3B N
Whip 7 Strength + 0L J
Wrench 6 Strength + 1L J
So any given sword is as good as even a minor werewolf artifact from world of darkness. That's depressing.

@Valkhir I owe you a sorry about the state of weaponry in world of darkness. I was wrong about things being... easy enough to upgrade I suppose?

But god. This is pretty sad not gonna lie.
 
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Yeah...this is why getting Rage Recast for Transc Anathema is needed.

STR + 2 Agg isn't world-shaking, but it isn't anemic either, and will stick with us and isn't super hard to get in this Age.

Edit: Essentially, its a bigger deal in ExWoD than in Exalted.
I mean... thats still just a regular sword though! If one wrapped in hellfire!

Its incredibly depressing.
 
I mean... thats still just a regular sword though! If one wrapped in hellfire!

Its incredibly depressing.
Even Shintai form specialized for unarmed does around that much damage, so you're very unlikely to find bigger damage numbers.

Mainly because in WoD uhh...you generally don't get more HLs than 7.
Ox-body? Exalt exclusive. You can heal better or soak better, but HLs? Nah.

Getting a constant, natural source of Agg is already a big deal. I wouldn't expect Warden swords to do more damage per se, just have some sweet anti-magic properties.

Because its still sword sized, just sharper and anti-magic.

Edit: The biggest raw damage I remember seeing is like...Flight of the Brilliant Raptor doing 15 dice Agg. And thats the top end. Ancient Sorcery of a past, greater Age.

Edit 2: Of course, this disregards stuff like built murdermachine Mages and Methuselah who can do absurd stuff, but those should be compared to Elder Essence level stuff. Tough they inflate numbers and danger via Spheres and having good stats, instead of better formula.
 
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E5 Exalt is supposed to be roughly comparable to 4th Gen vampire from a design standpoint, IIRC.
It also really shows the difference of Ages, if an E5 Exalt is so high up on the ladder.

Not to say they would be weak even in Exalted 2e, but Exalts are definitely lesser in ExWoD even without missing their boost Charms and any Essence above 5.
 
Considering my ignorance of all things Exalted, this may be a dumb question, but is there anything we can get that will give us the ability to shrug off and/or recover from damage quickly? I'm sure there are amazing spells and crazy charms available that can accomplish all kinds of insane shit, but the DF world is a dangerous place with a lot of heavy hitters in it and we're almost certainly going to be in their crosshairs sooner rather than later.

I know we're at least somewhat tougher than standard Humans now and recover from damage relatively quickly, it's just that just doesn't mean much when enemies are launching RPGs at you one day and artillery spells the next, and that's before the Denarians, Outsiders, Winter Court, Red Court, etc., get involved.

So, can we get really tanky really fast?
One way to get really tanky is to go to Essence 2 and unlock our Shintai form. Which we can design as very tanky.
For the first thing, all Shintai are essentially a new health-track, so when we are wounded we can switch into our boss form for full health.
We still have to heal wounds recieved to our normal body normally, but that is less of a problem if we use the Shintai to finish a fight and prevent people from hurting us more.

Say we take the Demon Emperor Shintai:

Demon Emperor Shintai
The character assumes a towering, monstrous form such as a fifteen-foot-tall colossus of living stone and flame, a whirling constellation of mansized crystalline spheres crackling with lightning, or a massive suit of ancient armor inhabited only by the burning light of the Infernal's anima. This form adds two dice to all soak rolls, and reduces the difficulty of soak rolls by one.
Select one of the following trait arrays:
Strength +6, Dexterity –1, Stamina +5, Appearance 0
Strength +3, Dexterity +2, Stamina +3, Appearance 0
Strength +4, Dexterity +0, Stamina +5, Appearance 0
Aspects: Select one: boneshaker, demon armor, or hardiness. Then select three more Aspects.
That's a guaranteed difficulty-reduction for soak and 2 bonus dice, plus increased Stamina which also increases our soak-pool.
Currently we roll 3 dice, in this form it would be 8 to 10.

And then come the Aspects.
Demon Armor gives even more soak, Hardiness makes us immune to environmental damage (walking through fire, acid rain, collapsing buildings, etc.) and Hardened Devil Body gives us 3 extra health-levels.

Of course we don't have to spend all our aspects on more defence, we can also improve our mobility, or throw energy around. We could even become more stealthy?
 
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The Devil Wears Better than Prada

5th of July 2006 A.D.

As you tip forward into Harry's eyes you have the strangest feeling of being stretched across the chasm between here and there, between your mind and his. It's not at all like when you had put the compulsions on Rosie and Nelson, and you do not know if it is the way you are doing it or if it had been you who had changed. You cannot feel the jagged edges of another mind, but instead a soft, firm touch, like a handshake. Reciprocity is the key, that is why one hurts and the other does not, you realize and wonder to yourself if you could use this more than once, there are people you would trust inside your head after all and there are good reasons to be in someone's head, communication from afar, maybe even healing.

Thinking of borders you cross the border and find yourself in an unfamiliar city, that is a little like Chicago yet not it, all red brick and shingles, but some of them are a little too tall for what they are, like watch looking out for perils in the alleyways below. The towers look a little run down, the light in the windows muted but the stars shine clear silver overhead, a sign of fate and portents you cannot read.

The road twists and turns under your feet, you recall the advice of friendly folks telling you where to go, but not their faces and when you willfully stop to ask one he just shakes his head sheepishly and points you on. Down the streets and down the steps, under the earth hidden from sight, but the candles still burn clear silver even here as your steps echo in the lonely dark. "How long has it been since someone found the door? How long since you thought you were important enough to know?"

"What since he trusted someone with his secrets?" a woman's voice calls from up ahead. "Not since his first master betrayed him really. He sees it as not pushing his burdens on others, I think of it as almost breaking his back carrying it all."

Startled you turn to see a woman standing in an open side-door which is odd because this is supposed to be a basement not an underground complex. She is maybe a few inches taller than you dressed all in black in what looks to have been Victorian funeral dress, though between the lace panel that shows off her collar and a good bit more besides and the slits on the side she'd likely be picked up for public indecency if she tried to show up that way in eighteen ninety. Her face has has that classical look to it, regal and commanding framed by gleaming blond hair even you would not have had the heart to dye. She is wearing fishnet stockings.... That's another one for the Victorian moral police, you bite back a giggle. And to top it all off the kind of silver buckled leather books that made brand names obsolete, like they were made by a little old man named Hans in his five hundred year old cobbler's shop.

"Come in, come in," she waves you inside. "One cannot usually stop and chat in the middle of this but your soul is more complex than most, it will take Harry a while to understand what he sees."

"You're the spirit he was talking to just now aren't you?" you ask, it's not hard to put two and two together. "What's your name?"

"Well you see this is where I would normally lie and say that my name is Tiff or something..."

"You do not look like a Tiff," you laugh as you step in to what looks like a cross between a pawn shop and a living room. There are chairs alright, but so mismatched it almost wraps back around and looks intentional and a six sided antique table scarred by fire.

"Thank you I never did much like that day," not-Tiff comments. "As I said I would lie, but as soon as you talk to Harry about the lady you met in his head he would reveal the truth so I might as well cut out the middle man. I am Lasciel..."

Wait... you know that name, dad made sure you knew all thirty of those names since you were twelve. You are standing in a room, that is not really a room but Harry's soul with one of the the Fallen. Guess mom was right about the Devil approving of my fashion sense, the absurd thought bubbles to mind.

"To be exact I am a kind of Lasciel, a fragment of the whole, a shadow in Harry Dresden's mind when be picked up the coin, three and a half years ago now. Nicodemus tossed it in front of another Harry while he was playing outside and it was the only way to spare the boy."

Shit. if the self-admitted devil is telling the truth and you do not see why or how it would be lying Harry is even more of a hero than you knew, saving your little brother from being possessed before preschool. "Why are you telling me all this?" Your voice is surprisingly steady given who you are talking to.

"I need your help...," she replies, managing to make even taking a seat look like some grand elegant gesture.

"Sorry, I'm batting for the other team," you quip back, wondering all the while if the lack of fear for your own safety makes you brave or just crazy... or if there is even a difference.

"To make sure he does not die in the process of more self-flagellating heroics," the Fallen Angel finishes serenely.

"Out of the goodness of your heart?" you ask sarcastically, doing your best not to sneak peaks at the boots.

"Because if he dies having never taken up the coin I die with him," she answers in a maddeningly reasonable voice. "Our goals might not be entirely the same, but they do have significant overlap."

What do you do?

[] Nope, nope, nope, not listening to Fallen Angels, especially when they sound reasonable

[] Hear her out, it's not like she can make you do anything


OOC: Tiff is short for Tiffany which comes from the Greek Theophania which is traditionally given to girls born on the Feast of the Epiphany, which is obviously no a day a Fallen Angel would like.
 
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