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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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OctarineShrike
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Depends on your opinion on these I guess
This one's an Ancient Sorcery Spell
This one's a Kakuri Charm
Goldfish
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
There might be an issue with summoning a Lesser Ankou; whoever answers the summons might be really pissed off with Arawn for worming his way out of Mab's service while his former subordinates remained aligned with Winter whether they liked it or not.
Passing them the Mantle might just be empowering a new enemy.
Passing them the Mantle might just be empowering a new enemy.
[] WRITE IN - Not your mantle, not your decision. Lay out the options, but otherwise sit back and let the people this actually impacts decide.
- "I can see three solutions. Summon Mab and bargain, but she seek her own ends and cares not for any of us. Summon a lesser Ankou to take the mantle, but do you trust any of the lesser Ankou still bound to Winter to not be an enemy you are empowering? Finally, Matthews could take up the mantle. It would allow him to potentially be free of the bindings he is under, but perhaps at the cost of much deeper bindings. I would not begrudge him this choice though, but let's be clear, it would need to be HIS choice. I will not prevent one unwilling sacrifice only to offer up another. The decision is yours Arwan."
EDIT - Also, fourth idea... Could we shred the mantle? It was something made. Can it be unmade? Do we have to give Mab anything, allowing Harry to report but for what she seeks already be ash?
- "I can see three solutions. Summon Mab and bargain, but she seek her own ends and cares not for any of us. Summon a lesser Ankou to take the mantle, but do you trust any of the lesser Ankou still bound to Winter to not be an enemy you are empowering? Finally, Matthews could take up the mantle. It would allow him to potentially be free of the bindings he is under, but perhaps at the cost of much deeper bindings. I would not begrudge him this choice though, but let's be clear, it would need to be HIS choice. I will not prevent one unwilling sacrifice only to offer up another. The decision is yours Arwan."
EDIT - Also, fourth idea... Could we shred the mantle? It was something made. Can it be unmade? Do we have to give Mab anything, allowing Harry to report but for what she seeks already be ash?
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Goldfish
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I like this. Not the idea for shredding the Mantle, though. No clue if it's even possible, but doing that seems like something that would get Mab well and truly upset with us.
- Location
- Germany
But a hostile Eldest Ankou is something an independant deathgod can deal with.
Better an Enemy rating of 2 or 3 for that, than Mab's 5.
Unbound Freedom Infiltration does intangibility. Bloodless Murk Evasion does teleportation.
Or we can invest in a Path for teleportation.
Okay. The threat is plausible.
I wouldnt have expected it to work, but it is plausible that Kemmler bluffed hard enough that Arawn was able to convince himself that the threat was real, compared to the bribe. Still a shitty thing to do, but plausible.
And well, 9 successes vs 2 successes means we can be fairly sure that we arent being lied to.
1)Arawn would know of which lesser Ankou would be best capable of taking over the role, if we went that path.
Would remember their True Names, even.
2) If Mathews could take the job, it would neatly
But Im having doubts about his nerves
3)Im halfway tempted to offer Mab a favor on the same terms that Harry has.
Option to request one task, with our ability to refuse. Not sure its plausible for Molly to do so.
Would be an interesting plot hook OOC.
Lol.
That was a steamroller.
@DragonParadox
QUESTION
1)How do Exalted and promises work in this setting?
Because I am reasonably sure that Exalted ignore any and all such constraints, unlike wizards and fae.
2)If Arawn transfers the Mantle, does he retain whatever godhood it was he bargained with Kemmler for?
What are the effects on him, and Lydia?
Especially because that enemy is going to be very tied up dealing with Mab's several hundred year long backlog of work.
On the OTHER hand, Mab is still likely to not be happy with him and though she won't have a personal grudge to settle may find letting the new Eldest Ankou off the leash a bit because it amuses her and buys herself a bit of cheap loyalty with her new empowered servant.
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You would be destroying Winter property without provocation.
They would be bound to balance the scales.
Not to mention that would make it a lot safer for necromancers the world over to operate.
Fair. Not a great option then.
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[x] WRITE IN - Not your mantle, not your decision. Lay out the options, but otherwise sit back and let the people this actually impacts decide.
-[x] "I can see three solutions. Summon Mab and bargain, but she seek her own ends and cares not for any of us. Summon a lesser Ankou to take the mantle, but do you trust any of the lesser Ankou still bound to Winter to not be an enemy you are empowering? Finally, Matthews could take up the mantle. It would allow him to potentially be free of the bindings he is under, but perhaps at the cost of much deeper bindings. I would not begrudge him this choice though, but let's be clear, it would need to be HIS choice. I will not prevent one unwilling sacrifice only to offer up another. The decision is yours Arawn."
Edit: The most recent post is threadmarked under the previous post's title I think.
-[x] "I can see three solutions. Summon Mab and bargain, but she seek her own ends and cares not for any of us. Summon a lesser Ankou to take the mantle, but do you trust any of the lesser Ankou still bound to Winter to not be an enemy you are empowering? Finally, Matthews could take up the mantle. It would allow him to potentially be free of the bindings he is under, but perhaps at the cost of much deeper bindings. I would not begrudge him this choice though, but let's be clear, it would need to be HIS choice. I will not prevent one unwilling sacrifice only to offer up another. The decision is yours Arawn."
Edit: The most recent post is threadmarked under the previous post's title I think.
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As various Fae nobility have had the misfortune of discovering, acting on personal business instead of Winter business has an unfortunate risk of permanent personal consequences if the victims have teeth.
Just ask Jenny Greenteeth.
You cannot swear on your power, or well to be more exact you an, but it would have no metaphysical weight. If you owe Mab something she could do the 'stab yourself' trick e did to Harry since that is and expression of the power she wields but invulnerable Primacy Mantle wold nope it for a scene as well as if she tries to use it against your intimacies
Lydia is fine, her power is her own, as for Arawn Molly does not know enough to say for sure other than 'he will survive in some form'. You would have to ask him IC.
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Goldfish
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No way, dude. No way in Hell.
Goldfish
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
Clippy: "Now, I am become Death...the destroyer of worlds..."
<Clippy digivolves into Windows ME>
- Location
- Brazil
[x] WRITE IN - Not your mantle, not your decision. Lay out the options, but otherwise sit back and let the people this actually impacts decide.
-[x] "I can see three solutions. Summon Mab and bargain, but she seek her own ends and cares not for any of us. Summon a lesser Ankou to take the mantle, but do you trust any of the lesser Ankou still bound to Winter to not be an enemy you are empowering? Finally, Matthews could take up the mantle. It would allow him to potentially be free of the bindings he is under, but perhaps at the cost of much deeper bindings. I would not begrudge him this choice though, but let's be clear, it would need to be HIS choice. I will not prevent one unwilling sacrifice only to offer up another. The decision is yours Arawn."
-[x] "I can see three solutions. Summon Mab and bargain, but she seek her own ends and cares not for any of us. Summon a lesser Ankou to take the mantle, but do you trust any of the lesser Ankou still bound to Winter to not be an enemy you are empowering? Finally, Matthews could take up the mantle. It would allow him to potentially be free of the bindings he is under, but perhaps at the cost of much deeper bindings. I would not begrudge him this choice though, but let's be clear, it would need to be HIS choice. I will not prevent one unwilling sacrifice only to offer up another. The decision is yours Arawn."
I agree, only fools bestow favors on Mab or any fairy unnecessarily. We're going to have a lot of storylines with Michael's work anyway.
[X] WRITE IN - The mantle is more trouble than it is worth. No one we can trust wants the mantle and any who do want it is too untrustworthy. Offer to try destroying the mantle.
Sadly Clippy is too small for this. Giving the mantle to Bob would be a viable solution, if a bad one.
The idiotic off-the-wall solution would be to transfer the mantle to Amorrachus.
OctarineShrike
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Maybe we should call Matthews into the conversation and explain what he'd get from accepting Eldest Ankou's job?
Ego Infused Pattern Primacy would nope that trick as well, if we bought that.
So would some of the perfect defenses like Ablation of Brass and Fire.
But her inability to do so against our Intimacies is a pretty broad defense as is.
Its a pity we dont have The Man Who Sold The World yet.
@DragonParadox
QUESTION
OOC, is it a good idea spending an extra update/breakpoint asking Arawn about how it would affect him, and then another update?
Instead of assuming that Molly actually asked about the ramifications of her options beforehand, so we can make the relevant decisions at once?
Id be interested in giving the QM the plot hook and seeing where they went with it.
Going full "Mab, I've come to bargain" would be hilarious in its own right, and several canon events that involve the Fae Courts would go very differently with a Celestial Exalt potentially in play. But Im not really in the mood to argue for it properly.
Plus, it would cause less IC turbulence if we didnt do so on our first outing without Michael looking over our shoulder.
Next time, maybe.
Unnecessarily? You mean like when trying to sweeten a deal?
Michael's work is not ours, and we're not likely to have all that much overlap.
He's a Knight of the Cross; our Mentor 5, not our boss.
Blades with the power to level the playing field against Dresdenverse Dragons, the Fallen partners of Denarians, and the Lords of Outer Night already bear a lot more power than the Mantle available to a Welsh death god.
3 dice against Dif 9 kind of pointless.
Ego Infused Pattern Primacy would nope that trick as well, if we bought that.
So would some of the perfect defenses like Ablation of Brass and Fire.
But her inability to do so against our Intimacies is a pretty broad defense as is.
Its a pity we dont have The Man Who Sold The World yet.
@DragonParadox
QUESTION
OOC, is it a good idea spending an extra update/breakpoint asking Arawn about how it would affect him, and then another update?
Instead of assuming that Molly actually asked about the ramifications of her options beforehand, so we can make the relevant decisions at once?
Id be interested in giving the QM the plot hook and seeing where they went with it.
Going full "Mab, I've come to bargain" would be hilarious in its own right, and several canon events that involve the Fae Courts would go very differently with a Celestial Exalt potentially in play. But Im not really in the mood to argue for it properly.
Plus, it would cause less IC turbulence if we didnt do so on our first outing without Michael looking over our shoulder.
Next time, maybe.
Unnecessarily? You mean like when trying to sweeten a deal?
Michael's work is not ours, and we're not likely to have all that much overlap.
He's a Knight of the Cross; our Mentor 5, not our boss.
Blades with the power to level the playing field against Dresdenverse Dragons, the Fallen partners of Denarians, and the Lords of Outer Night already bear a lot more power than the Mantle available to a Welsh death god.
The thing is Arawn might not want to say how it would affect him, particularly in front of his daughter if the price is high. That would be a roll. I do not like slowing things down, but I think that is is very much the lesser evil to just dropping important information (or the awareness that he is not going to give it to you) in a comment. Also this whole thing takes place against the clock, other people are moving so the choice to try to get more information comes with its own costs, which you guys may or may not want to pay.