Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Better yet, a Valkyrie skull. There just happens to be one of those available... :whistle:

Seriously, though, using Evil Bob as anything other than sword fodder would be a bad idea.
To be clear here, do you mean you want to kill EB, or you want to forge him into a sword?

I was mostly joking about Necronomicon 2, though the greedy part of me is reluctant to destroy a good source of forbidden lore and Eldritch secrets.
False Spring Beckons is a 3-dot charm, so it costs 9 XP. Mercy in Servitude is a 1-dot charm that costs 4. Also, FSB needs to spend 1 essence per person per week to renew, while MiS applies automatically to all of our minions for no cost. And I'm pretty sure we have Word of QM that Frenzy is included in the things that MiS covers, and that both ghouls and vampires qualify for MiS.
My bad, misremembered the dot level. Though the fact that FSB covers things other than Formori remains.
-[X] Stunt: For a moment Molly's aura seems to
Seem to cut off here.
 
No, just absolutely positively no, DO NOT DO THE ACTION WHICH GOT BOB GOT Absolutely panicking please. We do not need to paint a target the size of the Sun on Molly's head. Especially since she will be questioning on how the hell a teenage girl got access to information even she would like to know.
Oracular spirits and divination are a fairly standard part of the Dresdenverse.
We literally see Dresden call on, at various times, the Leanansidhe, a demon from Hell, and the loa Ulsharavas for information. The death of the Red Court in canon saw prophetic visions worldwide.

Bob warned against letting it be known we had Intellectus.
Divination is fine.
We have literally used divination in front of Gard throughout this expedition, remember?
 
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No, just absolutely positively no, DO NOT DO THE ACTION WHICH GOT BOB GOT Absolutely panicking please. We do not need to paint a target the size of the Sun on Molly's head. Especially since she will be questioning on how the hell a teenage girl got access to information even she would like to know.
We literally used that ability in front of him. Mab is in another dimension right now, if she can scrape this sort of information off us while in the nevernever or in the first encounter where we use it she will learn of it no matter what we try to do. Taking the sensible caution of not letting her watch us work is one thing, but refusing to use a key advantage under any circumstances is a bad idea.

What else are we supposed to barter with here? We can try just letting bygones be bygones, but that requires talking to Mab and Arawn doesn't want to be in the same zip code as her while she's in the mortal world. Preferably not even the same time zone.
There is a fundamental difference between the interest she has right now and the interest she will have upon learning of the Crown. I can absolutely guarantee that if Mab knew we had this, she can and will do every action possible to get her hands on it. Which is very significant to say the least in terms of forces and capabilities.
Again, if she can figure out about the crown from another dimension and/or the first time she sees us use information we shouldn't have then she either knows already or will know in the immediate future unless we actively refuse to use our caste ability equivalent.
 
What else are we supposed to barter with here? We can try just letting bygones be bygones, but that requires talking to Mab and Arawn doesn't want to be in the same zip code as her while she's in the mortal world. Preferably not even the same time zone.
Actual suggestion:
Our collective silence about Arawn having gone rogue a century ago. As long as there's noone out there contesting it, it looks very much like a decades-long con job meant to lure elements of Kemmler's cabal out into the open where they can get shanked.

That might be worth something to Mab.
 
Oracular spirits and divination are a fairly standard part of the Dresdenverse.
We literally see Dresden call on, at various times, the Leanansidhe, a demon from Hell, and the loa Ulsharavas for information. The death of the Red Court in canon saw prophetic visions worldwide.

Bob warned against letting it be known we had Intellectus.
Divination is fine.
We have literally used divination in front of Gard throughout this expedition, remember?

You meant the divination to find Cindy and Katrina. There is a immense difference between finding that information and revealing we have "divination" that is capable of finding secrets even Mab is unable to get. Such as either the tremendous amounts of defenses against divination her enemies or the information she wants being so hidden that even the diviners that she has cannot find. Demonstrating we are capable of doing so for Mab can and will lead to consequences which are unpredictable at best.

We literally used that ability in front of him. Mab is in another dimension right now, if she can scrape this sort of information off us while in the nevernever or in the first encounter where we use it she will learn of it no matter what we try to do. Taking the sensible caution of not letting her watch us work is one thing, but refusing to use a key advantage under any circumstances is a bad idea.

What else are we supposed to barter with here? We can try just letting bygones be bygones, but that requires talking to Mab and Arawn doesn't want to be in the same zip code as her while she's in the mortal world. Preferably not even the same time zone.

Again, if she can figure out about the crown from another dimension and/or the first time she sees us use information we shouldn't have then she either knows already or will know in the immediate future unless we actively refuse to use our caste ability equivalent.

Bronze I was objecting specifically towards the idea proposed to get Mab"s cooperation here.

Maybe we could play a money laundering game? Use the crown to acquire a secret she'd like to know, and then offer to share if she accepts the deal.

Which is bargaining with her, specifically with the proposal of getting her information which she would like to know because it is dependent of a variety of factors which are potentially extremely volatile. Even if the crown or intellectus is not revealed, there is still major ramifications of us showing we have "divination" capable of something which is beyond all of Mab"s current resources and power such as finding and accessing information which despite the diviners she has, she cannot break through the defenses which is keeping the secrets she wants hidden or find it at the information she wants at all.

Is what I am saying make sense? Hope this is coherent.


Actual suggestion:
Our collective silence about Arawn having gone rogue a century ago. As long as there's noone out there contesting it, it looks very much like a decades-long con job meant to lure elements of Kemmler's cabal out into the open where they can get shanked.

That might be worth something to Mab.

That is a good idea.
 
You meant the divination to find Cindy and Katrina. There is a immense difference between finding that information and revealing we have "divination" that is capable of finding secrets even Mab is unable to get. Such as either the tremendous amounts of defenses against divination her enemies or the information she wants being so hidden that even the diviners that she has cannot find. Demonstrating we are capable of doing so for Mab can and will lead to consequences which are unpredictable at best.
That is hard but hardly unprecedented.
Mab didnt see the Red Court infect her handmaiden with Nemesis, and Nemesis spread to her daughter. Mab did not foresee or notice her own Winter Knight Lloyd Slate conspire with a crazy Summer Lady to betray her.

Mab is effective because she isnt arrogant, but Mab is not actually omniscient.
That was why she employed Dresden as a private investigator in Summer Knight to discover the truth.

How do you think she gets information if not people providing it to her?
And frankly, its worth remembering that oracular spirits are a thing in the Dresdenverse. There are spirits who can give better prophecies than the Catholic Church has access to; it was a plot point in Death Masks.
 
Actual suggestion:
Our collective silence about Arawn having gone rogue a century ago. As long as there's noone out there contesting it, it looks very much like a decades-long con job meant to lure elements of Kemmler's cabal out into the open where they can get shanked.

That might be worth something to Mab.
I doubt it. For one thing she can whisk us off into faerie if she wants and there's nothing anyone here can do to stop her. She probably won't, because Harry, but we don't know that IC.

Past that fey aren't stupid for the most part, and Ankou has been out of the office for a century. His own minions at very least would know, and unless Mab quashed the gossip immediately it would have gotten out. She can spin a story if she likes, but the facts don't line up in away that would make anyone worth fooling believe it.

If we can't sell her on walking away then our only currently available trade goods are knowledge and favors. I really don't want to use the crown in front of Mab, since she of all people might glean something from it. Doing it before hand cuts out most of the risk, and allows us to come into the meeting with some actual cash in hand instead of spinning loss mitigation.
 
I doubt it. For one thing she can whisk us off into faerie if she wants and there's nothing anyone here can do to stop her. She probably won't, because Harry, but we don't know that IC.

Past that fey aren't stupid for the most part, and Ankou has been out of the office for a century. His own minions at very least would know, and unless Mab quashed the gossip immediately it would have gotten out. She can spin a story if she likes, but the facts don't line up in away that would make anyone worth fooling believe it.

If we can't sell her on walking away then our only currently available trade goods are knowledge and favors. I really don't want to use the crown in front of Mab, since she of all people might glean something from it. Doing it before hand cuts out most of the risk, and allows us to come into the meeting with some actual cash in hand instead of spinning loss mitigation.
1)Doesnt benefit her to try to yank everyone into Faerie.
Like I said, she told Harry she's in effect his godparent until Lea comes back, and Harry guards Fidelacchius.
I doubt she can relocate Molly against her will either, and Gard serves Odin.


2)Would they? Mab plots have spanned years at a minimum, if not decades.

If the Elder Ankou goes apparently rogue for basically a century, then shows back up after the True Death of a major Kemmler associate AND of a rogue Valkyrie necromancer that Odin/the Winter King has wanted dead for almost a thousand years, his underlings have to wonder if its been a Mab plot. If Arawn was manipulated all along.

We know thats not true, because we have the Crown. Other people dont.


3) I asked, and the QM said, that we dont know what happens to Arawn if we transfer the Mantle.
Does he become an independent death god, does he die, is he vulnerable to hundreds of years of enemies?
We have no idea.

That strikes me as a critical thing to discover before choosing our course of action.
Or we might go to all this trouble and Lydia will go ahead and make a deal with Mab for her father's life anyway, only she gets even less out of the deal than she would otherwise.
 
That is hard but hardly unprecedented.
Mab didnt see the Red Court infect her handmaiden with Nemesis, and Nemesis spread to her daughter. Mab did not foresee or notice her own Winter Knight Lloyd Slate conspire with a crazy Summer Lady to betray her.

Mab is effective because she isnt arrogant, but Mab is not actually omniscient.
That was why she employed Dresden as a private investigator in Summer Knight to discover the truth.

How do you think she gets information if not people providing it to her?
And frankly, its worth remembering that oracular spirits are a thing in the Dresdenverse. There are spirits who can give better prophecies than the Catholic Church has access to; it was a plot point in Death Masks.

Nemesis is an example of what I was talking about. Which is enemies of hers of which are capable of hiding from Mab physcially and her secrets despite all the resources and power she has, particularly because of nemesis being the stealth specialist of the Walker along with simultaneously being a insidious infection.

As for how Winter Knight Lloyd hide, that is because of him working with the Summer Lady which helps in hiding along with the fact that Mab does not have unlimited resources to get everything.

As for how she is getting? From alot of them, fetches, cat sith, ogres, other Sidhe for current information along with investigation along with magic practitioners who are in debt to her court which augments her capabilities even more so. Such as for example which you brought up from Death Masks. Ulsharavas who from the wiki is extremely easy to summon if you have the resources with the required payment being potentially easy to do. As you say there are many beings who are capable and many of their prices and resource requirements are something she can reach if she needs to.

Should you seek the Shroud, Harry Dresden, you will most assuredly perish. If you do not, they all die. And this city with them.— Ulsharavas reciting a prophecy to Harry Dresden[1][2]
Ulsharavas is an oracle spirit and a pretty gentle guide, one who usually isn't malicious. The Loa are basically good guys, but have darker sides. Ulsharavas has been harsh before.

Harry Dresden consults Dumont's Guide to Divination for how to summon this Oracle Spirit. A cabbage patch doll is required to provide her a homunculus, because the spirit cannot create its own body. A freshly opened tin of Prince Albert's chewing tobacco and a cup of whiskey are also needed as downpayment for her appearance.


The reason I keep on emphasizing is that unlike with many other parties if our "divination" is something her resources cannot do such as finding a secret which she wants but cannot get with her resources it means many things. Such as the fact payment for us for example is something which would be more easy compared to the forces she has to deal with to get that sort of divination.

Does this explanation help?
 
Nemesis is an example of what I was talking about. Which is enemies of hers of which are capable of hiding from Mab physcially and her secrets despite all the resources and power she has, particularly because of nemesis being the stealth specialist of the Walker along with simultaneously being a insidious infection.

As for how Winter Knight Lloyd hide, that is because of him working with the Summer Lady which helps in hiding along with the fact that Mab does not have unlimited resources to get everything.

As for how she is getting? From alot of them, fetches, cat sith, ogres, other Sidhe for current information along with investigation along with magic practitioners who are in debt to her court which augments her capabilities even more so. Such as for example which you brought up from Death Masks. Ulsharavas who from the wiki is extremely easy to summon if you have the resources with the required payment being potentially easy to do. As you say there are many beings who are capable and many of their prices and resource requirements are something she can reach if she needs to.


Ulsharavas is an oracle spirit and a pretty gentle guide, one who usually isn't malicious. The Loa are basically good guys, but have darker sides. Ulsharavas has been harsh before.

Harry Dresden consults Dumont's Guide to Divination for how to summon this Oracle Spirit. A cabbage patch doll is required to provide her a homunculus, because the spirit cannot create its own body. A freshly opened tin of Prince Albert's chewing tobacco and a cup of whiskey are also needed as downpayment for her appearance.


The reason I keep on emphasizing is that unlike with many other parties if our "divination" is something her resources cannot do such as finding a secret which she wants but cannot get with her resources it means many things. Such as the fact payment for us for example is something which would be more easy compared to the forces she has to deal with to get that sort of divination.

Does this explanation help?
1)Counterpoint:
Bob has been on Mab's shitlist for at least six hundred years and she hasnt found him. Its difficult, but not impossible to know stuff that Mab does not. Especially given that Molly lives in the same home as a Knight of the Cross, which means that archangel intervention is a real consideration.

2)Working with the Summer Lady did not convey any magical protection.
It was just mundane treachery.
After all, Titania didnt notice Aurora scheming with Slate either, and she's Summer Queen.

3)Thats the point: Mab gathers some of her information by scrying, but expects a lot of other people to gather mformation for her.
Thats why she's Mab.
Her getting information from us is how she gets a lot of her secrets, by getting someone else to tell her.

4)Ulsharavas has to be willing to do business with you, and you have to be willing to pay her price.
Not many people are willing to give Truth.

5) Dude. Mab cannot compel us.

Oracular spirits like Ulsharavas have maintained their independence for centuries, and Mab does not coerce them
The Archive literally knows everything ever written or typed on Earth, and noone compels her. Maggie LeFay was so known because she actually knew parts of the NeverNever better than the Sidhe, and noone compelled her for her secrets.

Older wizards literally have conditional precog as their Sight matures.
There's reasonable caution, but the idea that Mab will imprison us for knowing secrets doesnt pass the smell test.
Just dont reveal the Crown.
 
Considering an option is to have our resident Valkyrie call up the the Winter King, to chose the next Eldest Ankou. I am sure he has somebody he would like to have take the mantle.
 
I don't mind slowing things down a bit if it gets us answers to important questions.

[X] uju32
 
I honestly don't care what happens to him. I know Lydia does, but if he starts dying or something we can go on a fetch quest to get him unicorn tears and dragon gallbladders later when we're not trying to play footsie with Mab without losing a toe.

I'm skeptical about the rest of your claim. Winter fey aren't that credulous, and they have eyes.

Edit:
Ask if the non-norse Mantle that was used to lay their ghosts to rest is transferred, what effects on the former bearer/wielder
As an aside; pretty sure he's emphatically not calling on the Ankou mantle for any reason, and that's the one we want to transfer.
 
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I honestly don't care what happens to him. I know Lydia does, but if he starts dying or something we can go on a fetch quest to get him unicorn tears and dragon gallbladders later when we're not trying to play footsie with Mab without losing a toe.

I'm skeptical about the rest of your claim. Winter fey aren't that credulous, and they have eyes.

Edit:
As an aside; pretty sure he's emphatically not calling on the Ankou mantle for any reason, and that's the one we want to transfer.
1)We do care, because he is Lydia's dad.
Because an active anti-necromancer system saves everyone a lot of trouble. Else we'd shrug and go home now that Kattrin and her associates are dead and ignore any other consequences.

It does no good to go to all this trouble then have Lydia be forced to make a deal for her father's life anyway because we failed to check for potential consequences ahead of time.


2)Why do you think they would disbelieve?
Mab does not announce her plans, and immortals make plans on a long timescale.

Mab has let dude run around for a century without an actual manhunt, when she had the Leanansidhe and Winter Knight and Cat Sith and miscellaneous hitters lying around for a century.
Thats a sign she either didnt care, or that his running around played into one of her schemes.

The default assumotion in Winter is that she was scheming.
I mean, our Crown confirmed she was scheming. It just didnt say that Arawn's rebellion was a Mab scheme.


3)If you insist.
Editing it to "Mantle that was present when they were laid to rest".
Gard doesnt bear a Mantle, so that leaves Arawn.
 
Current Tally:
Adhoc vote count started by uju32 on Oct 13, 2022 at 11:05 PM, finished with 71 posts and 13 votes.

  • [x] WRITE IN - Not your mantle, not your decision. Lay out the options, but otherwise sit back and let the people this actually impacts decide.
    -[x] "I can see three solutions. Summon Mab and bargain, but she seek her own ends and cares not for any of us. Summon a lesser Ankou to take the mantle, but do you trust any of the lesser Ankou still bound to Winter to not be an enemy you are empowering? Finally, Matthews could take up the mantle. It would allow him to potentially be free of the bindings he is under, but perhaps at the cost of much deeper bindings. I would not begrudge him this choice though, but let's be clear, it would need to be HIS choice. I will not prevent one unwilling sacrifice only to offer up another. The decision is yours Arawn."
    [X]Write-in: Ask Arawn what the effects on him, his daughter and his divinity of shedding the Mantle would be.
    -[X]If he balks, Crown of Eyes using the museum dead as a focus. Ask about the consequences to the current bearer/wielder if the Mantle that was present when their ghosts were laid to rest is transferred.
    -[X]Ask Arawn if he has some idea of preferred successors among the lesser Ankou
    -[X]Ask Harry if he thinks Mathews can carry the responsibility of the Mantle; he's Soulgazed the dude, so he has the best independent assessment of Mr Mathews in the building.
    -[X]STUNT: You close your eyes briefly, multiple scenarios running through your head simultaneously as your mind races. Finally, you open your eyes, the multitudinous eyes of your anima banner focusing on the old god before you. "I think Im going to need some clarifications."
    [X] WRITE IN - The mantle is more trouble than it is worth. No one we can trust wants the mantle and any who do want it is too untrustworthy. Offer to try destroying the mantle.
    [X] Try to convince Matthews to take on the mantle
    [X] Summon a lesser Ankou to take on the Mantle
    [X] Plan Chewing What We Bit Off
    -[X] Use the crown of eyes on Arawn, seeking a secret Mab would take in exchange for letting him, but not his mantle, go.
    -[X] Present the options of giving the mantle to Matthews or a lesser Ankou and ask for input.
    -[X] Whichever route is chosen, the new Eldest Ankou will depart to carry a message for Winter's Queen, offering to negotiate settling her grudge with Arawn.
    —[X] If possible include a hint of what we're offering. Nothing that could give away valuable information, but enough to identify the topic and general category of knowledge we're offering.
    -[X] Avoid or outright refuse to explain how we know what we know if anyone asks.
    -[X] Use social excellency during negotiations with Mab, and while composing the message to send her
    -[X] Stunt: For a moment Molly's aura seems to sharpen without actually getting brighter, piercing without actually illuminating what it touches. With a breath she opens her eyes and looks at Arawn with countless flaming eyes. "Okay." Molly says as the world dwindles back to normalcy, "We can work with this."



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Oops. Fixing double post.
 
could we summon mab in neutral territory? She can't attack there? So go to mcanallys?

Edit: Note I've not read comments yet so may be a stupid ask.
 
Better yet, a Valkyrie skull. There just happens to be one of those available... :whistle:

Seriously, though, using Evil Bob as anything other than sword fodder would be a bad idea.

The Mantle is still bound to Winter, I believe? Accepting the Mantle is tantamount to choosing to become a Winter Fey.
the mantle might be fae like santa though hes not fae himself so slightly different. Also just like how the knight mantles are fae the users themselves are not.
 
Seriously though, the winning vote doesn't answer Arawn's core question. His default decision is to run away, we need to present something that clear how we're going to sell Mab on this.

Even if the plan is making the effort saving one we should at least take the time to lay it out. Preferably with one or two fallback negotiating positions in case we do poorly in social combat with a faerie queen. Which isn't out of the realm of possibility here, even if we can probably hold our own pretty well.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Oct 14, 2022 at 7:56 AM, finished with 76 posts and 15 votes.

  • [x] WRITE IN - Not your mantle, not your decision. Lay out the options, but otherwise sit back and let the people this actually impacts decide.
    -[x] "I can see three solutions. Summon Mab and bargain, but she seek her own ends and cares not for any of us. Summon a lesser Ankou to take the mantle, but do you trust any of the lesser Ankou still bound to Winter to not be an enemy you are empowering? Finally, Matthews could take up the mantle. It would allow him to potentially be free of the bindings he is under, but perhaps at the cost of much deeper bindings. I would not begrudge him this choice though, but let's be clear, it would need to be HIS choice. I will not prevent one unwilling sacrifice only to offer up another. The decision is yours Arawn."
    [X]Write-in: Ask Arawn what the effects on him, his daughter and his divinity of shedding the Mantle would be.
    -[X]If he balks, Crown of Eyes using the museum dead as a focus. Ask about the consequences to the current bearer/wielder if the Mantle that was present when their ghosts were laid to rest is transferred.
    -[X]Ask Arawn if he has some idea of preferred successors among the lesser Ankou
    -[X]Ask Harry if he thinks Mathews can carry the responsibility of the Mantle; he's Soulgazed the dude, so he has the best independent assessment of Mr Mathews in the building.
    -[X]STUNT: You close your eyes briefly, multiple scenarios running through your head simultaneously as your mind races. Finally, you open your eyes, the multitudinous eyes of your anima banner focusing on the old god before you. "I think Im going to need some clarifications."
    [X] WRITE IN - The mantle is more trouble than it is worth. No one we can trust wants the mantle and any who do want it is too untrustworthy. Offer to try destroying the mantle.
    [X] Try to convince Matthews to take on the mantle
    [X] Summon a lesser Ankou to take on the Mantle
    [X] Plan Chewing What We Bit Off
    -[X] Use the crown of eyes on Arawn, seeking a secret Mab would take in exchange for letting him, but not his mantle, go.
    -[X] Present the options of giving the mantle to Matthews or a lesser Ankou and ask for input.
    -[X] Whichever route is chosen, the new Eldest Ankou will depart to carry a message for Winter's Queen, offering to negotiate settling her grudge with Arawn.
    —[X] If possible include a hint of what we're offering. Nothing that could give away valuable information, but enough to identify the topic and general category of knowledge we're offering.
    -[X] Avoid or outright refuse to explain how we know what we know if anyone asks.
    -[X] Use social excellency during negotiations with Mab, and while composing the message to send her
    -[X] Stunt: For a moment Molly's aura seems to sharpen without actually getting brighter, piercing without actually illuminating what it touches. With a breath she opens her eyes and looks at Arawn with countless flaming eyes. "Okay." Molly says as the world dwindles back to normalcy, "We can work with this."
 
Arc 2 Interlude 4: Goodbyes
Goodbyes

22st of July 2006 A.D.

There were advantages to speaking a language that no one else did, Lydia had learned over the years, being able to complain about stuffy parties without offending anyone, asking who this person or that was and getting a straight answer so she would know who to avoid and now talking about sorcery, specters and...

"I didn't want it to come to this, not so soon, but fate and fortune make fools of men and gods alike."

Lydia had always known she was special, you would have to be blind, deaf and dumb not to realize there was something odd about your father chasing away the bad dreams with a 'prayer' that made the air shiver and the shadows dance. she had known she was special since she was six, but knowing the name for that left her feeling lightheaded, or maybe it had been the fight. Her stomach felt unsettled, her hands were still clenching and unclenching, some part of her expecting a fresh horror to jump out of the shadows.

"You are going to have to look after yourself for a while Snowdrop, if I give this up... it's not just my power, it is my life, it's part of my soul."

She'd had to bite her lips to hold back a gasp, the coppery taste of blood in her mouth, but she had known her dad had a way out of this, he always had a way out, he had to.

"Souls are not as fragile as tales would have you think, souls heal as all living things do. Mab must have her pawn, or she will never stop hunting you and yet if I were to pass all that power on to another I would perish, sure as if I had cast myself into the maw of the Outer Dark, so I shall keep back the merest fraction, the smallest of seeds and I shall slumber, sleep and death are kin enough that I know the way of building a... what did the call them in the futurist books, a life support cartouche?"

"Capsule dad," the girl tried to smile, her throat hurt like she had swallowed something sticky and unpleasant.

"I shall sleep wrapped in my own personal dream, far from the hand of the tyrant, for how long I cannot tell this has never been done before, but I shall wake as the King under the mountain is wont to do." He was looking at her as if he were trying to measure all the contours of her face, it was a look that said goodbye.

"But... but papa, I need to know, what if I... what if I die before you..."

"You are my child Lydia, a princess in exile, but a princess just the same, the mere passage days in the sunlit world will not be your end, not unless the very thread of ages if run to its end and I will not be that tardy, this I vow. Now listen, we do not have long, there are the federal agents outside. There is a chest under my desk that has some gifts for you so that you do not have to go into battle in borrowed chainmail, but more importantly you will find my will, go to Signore Rici and give him the letter on top, he will know what to do with it. Emancipation... ah," he sighs. "I wish we had more time, but as a man more skilled in the leading of armies than empire once said ask me for anything but time. I wish we did not have to do this at all, but most of all in the United States. If the process falls through vanish, fall off the grid until you are eighteen. It will be hard and uncomfortable, but the risk of an enemy, someone who wishes you ill, obtaining custody is far too great."

He glances at Molly seemingly trying to read the runes on the armor, but for her part Lydia wasn't paying attention. She was struggling just to keep her breathing under control, it was all coming to her at once.

"Keep your friends close. I do not think she is beholden to any power, which is a rare thing for one who burns with such power, for his part the wizard is beholden to too many and he chaffs under them, a peril and an opportunity." He stops and laughs softly, his face still somber. "How strange it is to say all these things so quickly, I thought I had more time. Remember that I trust you and I love you, I always will."

With these words Lydia's father, Arawn fallen traitor god of the underworld turned on his feel to speak to an old man about a mantle.

OOC: I thought about pushing this through into the rolls to see if they can get to Matthews, but this just felt like a good Lydia interlude and at the same time the cut off point worked best here rather than including the rolls with Matthews or if that does not work the summoning. No vote this time, but the answer to some questions you guys had
 
So, is this going to end up with us losing an experienced anti-necromancer god for the indefinite future and at best replacing him with a mortal sorcerer wearing an unfamiliar mantle.

To be honest, we seem to be doing the Black Council's work for them here. Better to let Arawn leave. The insistence that Mab has to win at all costs has screwed us over here.
 
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