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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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Artemis1992 said:
Or it was Capricorpus' work.
She could move fast, having already entered a way an hour or so ago.
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Unlikely.

Its been only around thirty minutes since we booted her out of Lydia's body; around ten minutes from Lydia's rescue to the warehouse, then another fifteen to twenty minutes from the warehouse here. Dresden had already left the jail by this time.
Too little turnaround time, I think.

And as a ghost without a body, sunlight may have effects on her ability to do magic in the open.
Not sure; its been a while since my last read of Ghost Story.
DragonParadox said:
"Given the circumstances, probably," you shrug, but Lydia as it turns out is a fastidious sort so when Harry arrives home twenty minutes later, there is a teenage girl showering at his place again, but this time it's not your fault... mostly, though she is the daughter of a former death god. Maybe you shouldn't have lead with that last part given his stunned expression.
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Hmm.
WP recovery for suppprting her Dresden Intimacy by getting him out of jail?
 
So, we have to assume that FBI is going to (try to) tail us when we go fight Holt. This means we need veils or some other way to slip past them. Because reenacting Highlander in front of federal agents is a bad idea.

Also, Lydia has exalted healing. That's good. She can join us in learning magical martial arts and, depending on how she works, might be able to learn celestial ones when we recreate them.
 
Oh right, also, one more roll:
Michael rolling his full willpower as a Knight against the DC of his base willpower to leave, because the man is not above being conflicted and the spooky fog definitely did that.

uju32 said:
-Not sure I understand the roll for picking up Harry.
-Those are some impressive Per/Occult rolls from everyone. Even Cindy rolled 3 successes on a 3 dice pool.
-Yeah, we really need to learn countermagic.
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It was a roll to see if someone like say Thomas picked him up.
 
TonedMite said:
Could also be a situation where they have enough firepower that at least one round is likely to end up hitting eventually. Or something that can see through fog, whether technology or magic. Of course, that level of firepower would also bring down a significant chunk of the CPD on the heads of everyone involved. Firing one or more machine guns (not merely assault rifles) within city limits, possibly for an extended period of time? Yeah… That might actually work to their advantage, as having to deal with a shitton of cops loaded for bear and expecting a massive firefight would definitely slow our people down.
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Weaponized techbane is a well-known effect available to wizards.
I dont think anyone moderately competent is going to build a plan around using enhanced vision technology to target a wizard, and using detection magic just tells the wizard precisely where you are.

Not to mention that setting up a machinegun at less than an hours notice is a nontrivial endeavor.

As for the rest, Dresden can veil and walk his way out, then claim he wasnt home yet.
Its a nice gambit, but unlikely to work.
Yog said:
So, we have to assume that FBI is going to (try to) tail us when we go fight Holt. This means we need veils or some other way to slip past them. Because reenacting Highlander in front of federal agents is a bad idea.

Also, Lydia has exalted healing. That's good. She can join us in learning magical martial arts and, depending on how she works, might be able to learn celestial ones when we recreate them.
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Gard has a Mortals Be Gone Ward.(Another reason why we need the Summoning and Wards Sorcery Path)
If these are mundanes, setting it up will get rid of them in the combat theater.
If they arent, they'll know damn well to butt out when Molly activates shikai.

Also, Harry can just veil the car.

Shih martial arts is sacred to the Shih.
Brother Divshimar's willingness to teach Molly as being worthy does not extend to a willingness to teach Lydia.
And Lydia is unlikely to have Exalted learning rates anyway.
LightLan said:
When Harry was a ghost in Ghost Story, he would've died if he hadn't made it into a Sanctuary before Dawn.
I am unsure if the problem specifically was the Dawn or Daylight.
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I THINK it was daylight.
Cant swear to it though.
 
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uju32 said:
Shih martial arts is sacred to the Shih.
Brother Divshimar's willingness to teach Molly does not extend to a willingness to teach Lydia.
And Lydia is unlikely to have Exalted learning rates anyway.
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I'll note that Molly didn't take a vow not to teach Shih martial arts.
uju32 said:
Gard has a Mortals Be Gone Ward.(Another reason why we need the Summoning and Wards Sorcery Path)
If these are mundanes, setting it up will get rid of them in the combat theater.
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We'll still need to deal with stuff like "destruction of (public) property", and, depending on what we do with the body, murder charges / investigation on probable cause (we were at the scene of the crime).
 
I believe it's Dawn itself, as it acts as a magical reset. It destroys unanchored wards and spell effects as well.
 
Yog said:
I'll note that Molly didn't take a vow not to teach Shih martial arts.

We'll still need to deal with stuff like "destruction of (public) property", and, depending on what we do with the body, murder charges / investigation on probable cause (we were at the scene of the crime).
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Molly doesnt have to take a vow to recognize the equivalent of dick move.
Or how that would affect her reputation.

No (credible)witnesses. Recording equipment is unlikely to survive people like Dresden throwing high power magic around. And frankly, you could very well have two people testifying to being rescued by Dresden from being kidnapped by miscreants, both Old Man Mathews and the Elder Ankou's civilian identity.

All Lydia has to do is give Dresden a dollar to legally claim she employed him to find her dad.

As for Kattrin, I would be sorely surprised if Gard does not have contingencies for either transporting her body or destroying it in the field. Assuming it doest just crumble into dust like some of the oldest members of the Fellowship of St Giles in canon when the Red Court got party wiped in Changes.
 
Nemonowan said:
Veiling a car sounds an even worse idea that painting it Vantablack.
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Why?
People inside a veil can see out.
Just speed up, make a turn to break line of sight, veil your vehicle, then park for a couple minutes.

I'd have suggested just having Dresden techbane a following car, but they know he can do this.
Better to do something unexpected.
Nemonowan said:
IIRC, daylight was pernicious, but much worse was the magical disruption of the dawn transition.
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I remember Dresden seeking shelter in his grave and sunlight scorching him when he got in the portion under direct sunlight.
Been a long time since I read Ghost Story though.

And sufficiently powerful ghosts apparently give zero fucks, if I remember Kravos' Nightmare from Grave Peril taking physical form and running around wreaking havoc.

LightLan said:
Dump it inside the NeverNever.
Wizards don't have trouble with corpse disposal.
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Thats just asking for someone or something to find a use for the body.
We really dont want that.
 
uju32 said:
Why?
People inside a veil can see out.
Just speed up, make a turn to break line of sight, veil your vehicle, then park for a couple minutes.
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But people inside other cars cannot see your car. Which means that they cannot avoid it, causing a monumental hazard.
Even in your limited example, it would require that there be virtually no other traffic, so that no random civilian sees the veil come up, nobody crashes into us thinking there is nothing there while we find a parking spot, and after we park, nobody drives by wanting to park while we remain there. It sounds like a tall order inside a city.
 
uju32 said:
Why?
People inside a veil can see out.
Just speed up, make a turn to break line of sight, veil your vehicle, then park for a couple minutes.

I'd have suggested just having Dresden techbane a following car, but they know he can do this.
Better to do something unexpected.

I remember Dresden seeking shelter in his grave and sunlight scorching him when he got in the portion under direct sunlight.
Been a long time since I read Ghost Story though.

And sufficiently powerful ghosts apparently give zero fucks, if I remember Kravos' Nightmare from Grave Peril taking physical form and running around wreaking havoc.


Thats just asking for someone or something to find a use for the body.
We really dont want that.
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A body left in the nevernever long enough just becomes ectoplasm. Well mortal bodies do.
 
DragonParadox said:
The timing works perfectly, as soon as you are in front of the apartment the Beige Wagon rolls alongside But as the car door opens you feel a chill like cold fingers working up your leg and you are not the only one. "There's something bad there..." Cindy half-whispers, not moving from her seat between you and dad.

"I think... I think it might be the dead, the veil feels ragged here almost like a cemetery or a place where a lot of people died, but this is just a street isn't is?" She does not hesitate to look up and down the street, though from the look dad throws her its clear he would rather she not be the first person out of the car on that side.
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It's pretty crazy that Cindy has gone from "wait, I have magic?" to "the veil feels ragged here, just like these other places where I've been before I knew magic existed". She's clearly embracing her talents wholeheartedly if she's looking at things like this and speaking up about her magical perceptions. On the other hand, from her perspective she just got rescued by a comic book assortment of heroic magic-users who prompt ran around fighting evil, saving people from danger, and interacting with giant magical monsters who are perfectly willing to serve as their personal train car, so I can see why she would be incentivized toward that kind of attitude.

Though alternately that second line is meant to be Lydia and never says so. She'd have a lot more reason to talk like that.

Finally after what seems to you a long time, knowing dad to be always so sure of himself, though really it can't have been more than ten seconds your dad takes Cindy by the hand and they run slip right into the other car. Without, a morbid part of you cannot help but note, exposing themselves to snipers.
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Just as you are starting to relax and Cindy starts to carefully pet Mouse Gard notes from the door:
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Wait, did Cindy come into the apartment with us or leave in the car with dad? It says the one but then she's present to pet the dog which requires the other.
 
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Fouredged Sword said:
I am 99% sure that Dresden, if motivated, can cremate a corpse fairly trivially. Magic corpse disposal doesn't run afoul the laws of magic. Dead is already dead.
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He could do that trivially. Any trained wizard should be able to.

With just a bit of time and no need to rush, they could use any number of magical means to destroy a corpse beyond any hope of identification.
 
Fire purifies, metaphysically speaking. If you want to get rid of a dead body the vast majority of the time just dousing it in oil and setting it alight will be quite enough... and it even works on corpses that are moving more often than not.
 
DarkLight140 said:
It's pretty crazy that Cindy has gone from "wait, I have magic?" to "the veil feels ragged here, just like these other places where I've been before I knew magic existed". She's clearly embracing her talents wholeheartedly if she's looking at things like this and speaking up about her magical perceptions. On the other hand, from her perspective she just got rescued by a comic book assortment of heroic magic-users who prompt ran around fighting evil, saving people from danger, and interacting with giant magical monsters who are perfectly willing to serve as their personal train car, so I can see why she would be incentivized toward that kind of attitude.

Though alternately that second line is meant to be Lydia and never says so. She'd have a lot more reason to talk like that.



Wait, did Cindy come into the apartment with us or leave in the car with dad? It says the one but then she's present to pet the dog which requires the other.
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Yeah I had to edit around that part when the car thing came up. 'She' should have referenced Lydia, but the sentence was lost. Now clarified.
 
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DragonParadox said:
Fire purifies, metaphysically speaking. If you want to get rid of a dead body the vast majority of the time just dousing it in oil and setting it alight will be quite enough... and it even works on corpses that are moving more often than not.
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Magically maybe, but oil fire won't do more than scorch the outside of a corpse. You will damage it severely, but won't actually get rid of it. You need to hit 1400 F to cremate a body.

That said, I am pretty sure Dresden can cut steel with his fire magic, so he's hitting twice that easily.
 
LightLan said:
Have Molly put a demon in it, then have the gas pedal do nothing.
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Depends on how much Essence we have.
And heading into a fight, you can never have too much Essence.

Nemonowan said:
But people inside other cars cannot see your car. Which means that they cannot avoid it, causing a monumental hazard.

Even in your limited example, it would require that there be virtually no other traffic, so that no random civilian sees the veil come up, nobody crashes into us thinking there is nothing there while we find a parking spot, and after we park, nobody drives by wanting to park while we remain there. It sounds like a tall order inside a city.
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So git gud.

The point is to break contact for the thirty to ninety seconds necessary to lose the shadow.
Vehicular traffic is significant in a city, but this is hardly an insurmountable issue for a good or experienced driver. Especially on a weekend with no rushhour traffic.

Random civilian seeing us veiling is not an issue for a generic sedan.
Just cut into a supermarket car lot with multiple entries and exits, veil the car and drive out of one of the exits.

firefrog600 said:
A body left in the nevernever long enough just becomes ectoplasm. Well mortal bodies do.
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Long enough is too long to leave the thousand year old body of a Norse valkyrie demigoddess lying around.
Especially since, if she's working a necromantic ritual on one side of the veil, you have some idea of the kind of spirits that it might attract on the other side of the veil.

Even if someone cant simply attempt to reanimate her, the corpse of a dead Norse valkyrie probably makes for a pretty solid basis for making a terrifying undead servitor. Or something for an Outsider to drive around.
Lets not plan to just leave it lying around.
Fouredged Sword said:
I am 99% sure that Dresden, if motivated, can cremate a corpse fairly trivially. Magic corpse disposal doesn't run afoul the laws of magic. Dead is already dead.
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Cremating a body to ash IRL takes 1-5 hours at temperatures of between 700 and 1000 degrees Celsius.
The one time I recall seeing Dresden vaporize body parts was in Small Favor when he blew a foot wide hole through Tessa's torso, and that was after he'd gotten Soulfire.

On the other hand, if the Elder Ankou is rescued alive, Im reasonably sure disposing of bodies is in his portfolio.
 
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Seems like it would be much more difficult to create a veil sufficiently powerful enough to render a vehicle completely invisible as opposed to something a bit less involved, like changing its color and making it look like a slightly different model/body style. That also removes the concern for suddenly having an invisible car on the road surrounded by drivers who can't see it.
 
Goldfish said:
Seems like it would be much more difficult to create a veil sufficiently powerful enough to render a vehicle completely invisible as opposed to something a bit less involved, like changing its color and making it look like a slightly different model/body style. That also removes the concern for suddenly having an invisible car on the road surrounded by drivers who can't see it.
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Just make a veil the means they can't see inside the car.

DragonParadox said:
Alas you can no longer immerse yourself in the currents of magic and hear without ears the whisper of a place.
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Which charm would give this back?
Essence Dissecting Stare is meant for Dragon Nodes.
 
Also worth noting that Kattrin Holt is one of the few people who has actual pre-existing legal charges from an existing society and legal system that recognizes magical crimes. Its entirely possible we cut her down but take her ass alive and Odin or a personal representative and a bunch of Einherjar shows up to take custody for interrogation prior to formal execution.
the DragonBard said:
Just make a veil the means they can't see inside the car.

Which charm would give this back?
Essence Dissecting Stare is meant for Dragon Nodes.
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Essence Dissecting Stare also allows you to see across the veil, both into the NeverNever and the currents of power on this side.
So yeah, EDS would work.
 
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