Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

We'll have to agree to disagree here.

1)With Dresdenverse magic being so big on intent, I think you have to.

In most random encounters it wouldnt be an issue. But if you and your allies are planning to kill everyone in a geographic area in the next two days for magical power, and have already been party to a mass shutdown of technology, including medical technology, which is likely to contribute to increased death rates in the city hospital system?

I think its fair to question whether your doing necromantic first aid on a random casualty is actually supposed to help the dude, or just a flex aimed at some purpose of your own, with any actual good being incidental.

2)The presumption(I think) with healing someone unconscious and dying is that you cant afford to take the time to ask.
Someone who is already dead you can afford to ask.
If you didnt, then its because you didnt want to.

Thats my reasoning, not anything stated by the author. So take that with the customary seasoning of salt.
  1. Fair enough on the intent
  2. I'm not sure you can ask the newly dead, judging by Harry's experiences at the start of Ghost Story being discorporated is confusing even for a wizard, not less a mundane human who is not at all used to alternative states of being. Also if she had asked either getting a positive answer or none I'm not sure Harry would have even noticed. It's not like he had his Sight pointed at her. That said I do not think that given Kumori's stated goals she is the kind of person who would ask. It's not like the is planning to put 'abolishing death' to a vote
 
We'll have to agree to disagree here.
I guess, but I just don't understand your position.

If we bought finance we'd presumably get something useful for modern purposes and not how to run accounts for a medieval castle. Why is this that different?

Some bits being out of date makes sense, but the level you're taking it to makes it useless. We might as well have paid for 5 dots in marvel comic lore.
 
I guess, but I just don't understand your position.

If we bought finance we'd presumably get something useful for modern purposes and not how to run accounts for a medieval castle. Why is this that different?

Some bits being out of date makes sense, but the level you're taking it to makes it useless. We might as well have paid for 5 dots in marvel comic lore.
We have a magic ephemeral fancy hat that provides answers to any question we ask, regardless of the answer. I feel it is safe to assume that it can grant us knowledge to back skills as well.
 
Vote closed, looks like we are not splitting the party
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 20, 2022 at 7:39 AM, finished with 110 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] Go to brief Harry to prevent an ambush outside his place.
    -[X] Bring everyone. Text ahead to Mouse and tell him guests are coming, as is Harry
    -[X] Call Charity and update. Make sure all siblings are home and accounted for
    -[X] Call the Beige Wagon to show up outside Harry's place
    -[X] Keep tabs on Kattrins car movements, and the location of Agent Wright's phone
    -[X] Using Clippy's Internet streetmap access to identify danger spots, sweep for gunmen on the street with Gard as backup
    -[X] Debrief/planning session after Harry shows. Decide then if Lydia is an asset; he's the wizard who fought the Corpsetaker
    -[X] Clorox bath if time permits; you can participate via speakerphone while in the bathroom
    -[X] Put Michael, Mouse, Lydia and Cindy in the Beige Wagon and drive them to Castle Carpenter. Follow in Hendrick's car until they get home, and armor up Lydia then if she's coming
    -[X] Move on Kattrin
    [X] Go to brief Harry to prevent an ambush outside his place.
    -[X] Bring everyone. Text ahead to Mouse and tell him guests are coming, as is Harry
    -[X] Call Charity and update. Make sure all siblings are home and accounted for
    -[X] Keep tabs on Kattrins car movements, and the location of Agent Wright's phone
    -[X] Using Clippy's Internet streetmap access to identify danger spots, sweep for gunmen on the street with Gard as backup
    -[X] Debrief/planning session after Harry shows. Decide then if Lydia is an asset; he's the wizard who fought the Corpsetaker
    -[X] Inform Lydia that her father is in danger from the necromancers, and ask her to cooperate with Harry to magically find her. Gently encourage Cindy to cooperate with Harry to create a similar link to her grandfather.
    -[X] Clorox bath if time permits; you can participate via speakerphone while in the bathroom
    [X] Harry can handle himself, you can talk to him on the phone once he gets home, no need to risk splitting up
    [X] Go to brief Harry to prevent an ambush outside his place.
    -[X] go with Lydia, she seemed to be scared of Gard. Maybe she'll have an easier time talking without her there.
 
Tell us what works for a particular wizard's paradigm ? Thats where I have my current doubts, since we arent done updating ourselves with how the world currently works.
Just to point out, we were able to decipher Bob's skull enchantments at a glance. That's modern thaumaturgy. We were also able to explain to Dresden how to make his soul gaze safer. The knowledge of soul gaze itself we relied on the Crown for, but the explanation we didn't have help for.
 
Winning Vote
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 20, 2022 at 7:39 AM, finished with 110 posts and 14 votes.

  • [X] Go to brief Harry to prevent an ambush outside his place.
    -[X] Bring everyone. Text ahead to Mouse and tell him guests are coming, as is Harry
    -[X] Call Charity and update. Make sure all siblings are home and accounted for
    -[X] Call the Beige Wagon to show up outside Harry's place
    -[X] Keep tabs on Kattrins car movements, and the location of Agent Wright's phone
    -[X] Using Clippy's Internet streetmap access to identify danger spots, sweep for gunmen on the street with Gard as backup
    -[X] Debrief/planning session after Harry shows. Decide then if Lydia is an asset; he's the wizard who fought the Corpsetaker
    -[X] Clorox bath if time permits; you can participate via speakerphone while in the bathroom
    -[X] Put Michael, Mouse, Lydia and Cindy in the Beige Wagon and drive them to Castle Carpenter. Follow in Hendrick's car until they get home, and armor up Lydia then if she's coming
    -[X] Move on Kattrin
    [X] Go to brief Harry to prevent an ambush outside his place.
    -[X] Bring everyone. Text ahead to Mouse and tell him guests are coming, as is Harry
    -[X] Call Charity and update. Make sure all siblings are home and accounted for
    -[X] Keep tabs on Kattrins car movements, and the location of Agent Wright's phone
    -[X] Using Clippy's Internet streetmap access to identify danger spots, sweep for gunmen on the street with Gard as backup
    -[X] Debrief/planning session after Harry shows. Decide then if Lydia is an asset; he's the wizard who fought the Corpsetaker
    -[X] Inform Lydia that her father is in danger from the necromancers, and ask her to cooperate with Harry to magically find her. Gently encourage Cindy to cooperate with Harry to create a similar link to her grandfather.
    -[X] Clorox bath if time permits; you can participate via speakerphone while in the bathroom
    [X] Harry can handle himself, you can talk to him on the phone once he gets home, no need to risk splitting up
    [X] Go to brief Harry to prevent an ambush outside his place.
    -[X] go with Lydia, she seemed to be scared of Gard. Maybe she'll have an easier time talking without her there.
 
Arc 2 Post 43: Through the Mist
Through the Mist

22st of July 2006 A.D.

At fist you think that it might be best to split up, Dad and Cindy going home while you Gard and maybe Lydia head out to greet Harry to make sure he does not get a much worse greeting. "OK, Lydia, this is gonna sound weird..."

"Noted," she answers straining for a smile. "I can deal with weird."

"Just how bullet proof are you?"

"I can't heal in minutes like the wolf-man or something, but what does not kill me I can heal in hours and days, no matter how bad it is. Death is... reluctant to take me is the best I can describe it and yeah I've always been able to do it. Scared the daylights out of one of my governesses when I fell off a wall I was climbing to get to some flowering vines that looked cool to my six year old self and then I couldn't feel my legs for a bit."

You whistle. "Damn and you thought that was normal?"

"I was a kid, if dad said that was normal who was I to argue?" She shrugs. "'Course he did end up telling me it was only normal for me and that I shouldn't talk about it..." For a little while longer she looks out the window as the car turns the corner towards one of the more well-traveled regions of downtown, just another anonymous black sedan in a city with plenty of them. Maybe some over-imaginative tourist might rightly guess it belonged to a crime boss, but no one has a good enough imagination to guess the truth.

"How did you know I didn't know a lot about my gifts until recently?" The question jolts you out of your thoughts, fingers slipping off the key as you are about to text Mouse to tell him that Harry is coming and so are you.

"I guessed," you answer quickly and you suspect not very convincingly. Turning to Gard, in the passenger's seat you quickly explain your reasoning. "I think we should all go to Harry's place instead, that way we can make sure that he makes it in safe. The wards are solid and Mouse can let us through."

The warrior nods at the suggestion and after a moment dad agrees. As much as it's nice to be listened to there is something undeniably scary about it actually happening in something like this.

So it's a relief when Cindy asks: "Mouse?"

Whatever she's thinking it's probably not as out there as the truth, but you see no reason to lie. "Harry's dog, he's a spirit blood and people smart."

"Like in the cartoons?" You smile at her faintly offended tone, as though the world happening to resemble Saturday Morning Cartoons a little bit more was the worst thing that happened to her today.

"So her grandsire didn't tell her anything about spirits then," Usum notes clinically

That is when Mon texts back to dad confirming that everyone else is safe at home and they are all going to stay there so that leaves Clippy free to check the road map for sniper locations, not that Clippy is any sort of expert, but better than nothing.

You do have another idea, but it's kind of crazy: "How do you think people would take it if hypothetically they saw a biege Toyota Echo drive around without anyone in the driver's seat?"

It takes her a moment to realize you are being serious: "Broadly speaking people will assume works of technology before sorcery. I do not think any of the powers that enforce the Accords would find such a new 'urban legend' objectionable, but it one were to want an excuse to move they might make use of it. Given how short a span it has to travel unless someone is watching it drive off from the restaurant all should be well."

You had never heard anyone call a fast food place a restaurant, but as Cindy put it Gard is 'a gazillion years old'.

The instructions you send are simple, don't move until you give it the signal and don't break any traffic rules doing it.

Understood flashes on screen and now there is little to do but look nervously at the rushing evening lights and hope that somewhere out there Harry is also taking care and being mindful of all the people with ill will and eyes on him.

***​

The timing works perfectly, as soon as you are in front of the apartment the Beige Wagon rolls alongside But as the car door opens you feel a chill like cold fingers working up your leg and you are not the only one. "There's something bad there..." Cindy half-whispers, not moving from her seat between you and dad.

"I think... I think it might be the dead, the veil feels ragged here almost like a cemetery or a place where a lot of people died, but this is just a street isn't is?" Lydia does not hesitate to look up and down the street, though from the look dad throws her its clear he would rather she not be the first person out of the car on that side.

Alas you can no longer immerse yourself in the currents of magic and hear without ears the whisper of a place. All that you would hear now would be the roaring of your own power, but that does not mean that you are blind and it certainly does not mean you are stupid. The dull orange of sodium streetlamps casts slick flames on the black of the car, normal enough for a fogy evening... only is hadn't been foggy when you got in the car and while s fog rolling in quickly from the water is not that uncommon, what is uncommon is for that to happen when the wind is from the northwest.

It's not ghosts, at least not directly, the fog itself is faintly magical, but not you think malicious, it's camouflage against all but the sharpest or most dangerous to open arcane senses, the foundation of a trap for a wizard, but had more than the foundation been set. It also makes the more precise manifestations of power for those not used to working with water. Harry would be able to throw a fireball in this just fine you are sure, but he might have more trouble banishing it.

"I don't think it's anything that is going to attack dad, take Cindy and go! We can make a run for the door."

There is a long moment of silence, during which Gard has her own stare down with Hendricks, whom she hurriedly tells to follow. "One more gun in this isn't going to make a difference, but it might in getting the girl to safety."

Finally after what seems to you a long time, knowing dad to be always so sure of himself, though really it can't have been more than ten seconds your dad takes Cindy by the hand and they run slip right into the other car. Without, a morbid part of you cannot help but note, exposing themselves to snipers.

"You said you can shut down magic," you ask Gard as the Biege Wagon rolls off, now with a driver behind the wheel. "Can you shut down this?" As concisely as you can you explain what you think it is.

The three of you rush to the front door of Harry's place, half expectant the cold touch of death out of the mist as you go, but nothing comes. Gard is the last one through the steel door and at the last moment she turns and draws with her hand in the air something that looks like a more jagged S. Wind seems to pick up, not out of the sky but from the earth, tearing at the heavy mist and blowing it asunder even as the door slams closed to the sound of a satisfied 'Woof' from Mouse.

"Hey Mouse, things been going alright?"

He nods, ears flapping about. You wish he could make use of Burny, but you don't want to give away everything you can do do Gard. Just as you are starting to relax and Lydia starts to carefully pet Mouse Gard notes from the door:

"There's a unmarked car with some suspiciously finely dressed people watching this place."

"It's not like they will have seen much," you point out.

"Besides the mist lifting," Lydia reminds you. "Is er... your friend Harry fine with us tromping in here smelling like the sewers?"

"Given the circumstances, probably," you shrug, but Lydia as it turns out is a fastidious sort so when Harry arrives home twenty minutes later, there is a teenage girl showering at his place again, but this time it's not your fault... mostly, though she is the daughter of a former death god.

Maybe you shouldn't have lead with that last part given his stunned expression.

Regain 1 Willpower

OOC: Before anyone says anything I know Harry can cast fine in heavy rains, the mist was a specific Entropy rote that uses water as a means of degrading magical control over a wide area, it was not a natural phenomena. Also edits done. No vote this time since none would fit. Next up will be an interlude from Harry again.
 
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Okay, Mouse, you now have the means to easily communicate with nearby Humans. It's time to demand the belly scratches you so richly deserve!

[X] Keep to the plan, the Daedalus people got burned once by arresting Harry, you do not think they will do anything rash
 
[X] Stay inside, you do not want him asking questions of Cindy
Delay vs running afoul of obnoxious government agents, who can make your life difficult after.
Need stealth charms, even if they're of the Malfean variety.
 
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[X] Stay inside, you do not want him asking questions of Cindy
Delay vs running afoul of obnoxious government agents, who can make your life difficult after.
Need stealth charms, even if they're of the Malfean variety.
Send Gard in to "drive" the car to a better location. She is out of context to the FBI in all this. All we need is enough breathing room to get into the car without being stopped.
 
Uh, @DragonParadox, the Beige Wagon should already be at Harry's, we left it behind when we got a ride from Gard, and we met up with her at the BK across the street from Harry's. That was a mistake in the plan to call it to where it already was.
 
COMMENTARY
-Cindy remains pretty hilarious.
As someone newly introduced to the magic underground, her reactions to each new discovery are refreshingly unfiltered.

-Molly is blowing Mouse's cover here.

Note that while Dresden knew Mouse was smart, noone, not even Dresden, knew Mouse was sapient until Turn Coat, when Mouse manipulates both Morgan and Molly to prevent a fight breaking out. Then Dresden took him to a White Council meeting and Ancient Mai identified him as a Foo Dog and credible witness in a court of law.

-But Molly DID guess that Lydia only came into her powers recently.
She did get confirmation later, but it was a guess :V

-Magic debuff AoE while Kattrin's car is still parked at the tattoo parlor and she's underground suggests she has at least one magic-capable minion we havent seen yet. Probably that Lictor chap.
Alternatively, this is prepared rune magic deployed by a mook.

-Fog suggests that the plan is not a sniper, because fog would fuck with line of sight.
Either a gunman at close quarters with pistols or a sawn off, or some melee attackers, whether physical like ghouls, or immaterial like ghosts.

-Government Agent Men outside. If its a legit stakeout, there'll be at least two of them, maybe more.
But it probably isnt legit. Noone scrambles that many shadows that quickly on a Saturday evening for a suspect that just had their alibi confirmed by physical evidence and an extant group of witnesses.

-Going to note that we know that elements of law enforcement has been subverted by the Bad Guys.
The only way Karrin and her people would know Dresden is getting out today in time to rush hitters outside his house is to have agents embedded in the investigation at a very high level.

So its not implausible they might be pulling a repeat of the FBI Hexenwulfen case.Having to deal with Fed shooters would be a pain.

-The FBI cant compel you to answer a question. So feel free to ignore an agent at your leisure, until they come back with a warrant.

-Not sure I understand the roll for picking up Harry.
-Those are some impressive Per/Occult rolls from everyone. Even Cindy rolled 3 successes on a 3 dice pool.
-Yeah, we really need to learn countermagic.
 
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-Magic debuff AoE while Kattrin's car is still parked at the tattoo parlor and she's underground suggests she has at least one magic-capable minion we havent seen yet. Probably that Lictor chap.
Alternatively, this is prepared rune magic deployed by a mook.
Or it was Capricorpus' work.
She could move fast, having already entered a way an hour or so ago.
 
Could also be a situation where they have enough firepower that at least one round is likely to end up hitting eventually. Or something that can see through fog, whether technology or magic. Of course, that level of firepower would also bring down a significant chunk of the CPD on the heads of everyone involved. Firing one or more machine guns (not merely assault rifles) within city limits, possibly for an extended period of time? Yeah… That might actually work to their advantage, as having to deal with a shitton of cops loaded for bear and expecting a massive firefight would definitely slow our people down.
 
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