Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Yzarc
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Worse, he is probably retconed.
If we go by ExvsWoD everyone from Age of Legends are dead with the possible exceptions of Autochton (is slumbering somewhere in NeverNever / outer space and might be senile), Gaia (very arguable) and that one Dragon King in a stasis tube in some ruin in deep NeverNever.
On the plus side (or on the "aaaaa!!!! We are all going to die!" side, depending on how you look), current version of the universe allows for both time travel and true resurrection. This means that beings with conceptual links to exaltations might actually be brought back. Possibly. Or they'll claw their way out of oblivion, dodging causality and death, without asking anyone. Beings like Luna, Oramus... Those nice guys.
In 2E it was the UCS who made the Solar exaltations using Authocthon's blueprints and secret ingredients, I believe.
Autocthon's involvement was necessary, and he quite possibly provided the tools the Incarna used to make the Exaltations, but the evidence is that the Incarna made them.
Sol probably used his anything you can do I can do better charm to do so, for example.
Could I get a citation please? Or at least a source book, so I could check when I get back from work.
I think it's in the Ink Monkey's Daystar write-up, describing Sol's personal workshop, the Forhe Empyreal:
16 THE DAYSTAR For anyone so blessed as to be given the right to ply his craft within the Furnace Empyrean, the experience is vivifying, con- necting one so engaged with the forces that forged the uni- verse. On top of any other response they might have to the Forge of the Sun, Solar, Abyssal and Infernal Exalted find the room to be achingly familiar and deeply energizing—it feels al- most like returning home after a long absence. This sensation only intensifies should they attempt to directly work the Forge where their Exaltations were crafted.
And this isn't Autocthon's own workshop, the Primordial Forge, which is in Yu Shan.
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It's not Autocthon's forge, and only the solar exaltations were made there. It is instead the UCS' personal forge. The implication is clear.
Yzarc
The Spark of Madness
Yeah, but keep in mind the background. Auto-kun had to forge them in secret and they needed Solar Essence. So it is not a streach to consider that he may have borrowed use of the forge for the forging.
I can't find any reference to Autocthon forging them in secret. Inventing the concept/design of Exaltation in general yes, making the exaltations, no. The Alchemicals are his proofs of concept that the Incarna used as starting points for their own creations.
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Not like it specifically matters to the quest, since by now this kind of minutia has all been lost even deeper than the major strokes.
So few people even remember what Exaltations are, do you really think anyone remembers the exact details of how they were made and who made what?
So few people even remember what Exaltations are, do you really think anyone remembers the exact details of how they were made and who made what?
Vote closed.
The evidence in Ex2 is that the Incarnae empowered them.
Forging does not imply making from scratch; few swordsmiths make their own billets of steel. Autobot delivering a batch of blank Exaltations is compliant with the idea that the Incarnae did extra work.
Else you are in the awkward spot of trying to explain how Luna made the Lunar shards, and the Maidens made the Sidereal shards, despite neither being in their portfolio.
And the implications for societal balance of power.
Ex3 simply has everyone making Exaltations like they are being printed at a bootleg CD store.
Which has unfortunate lore implications.
Celestial Exaltations are autonomous Primordial-killing superweapons, designed and built for a war that was organized in secret and launched in a surprise attack.
Of course they were forged in secret.
Theion et al would have had Opinions about Autobot building Primordial-killers for the prayer cattle that didnt even have an off switch.
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My disagreement was about the forging rather than the secret bit.
Lunar has creation in her themes, as do the Maidens as a group. The Incarna are vast, they contain multitudes (particularly Luna).
That's why their chosen get craft charms.
Creation is in the portfolio of Sol Invictus and Autocthon.
Luna's themes in 2E is survival and adaptation, not creation. The Maidens certainly do not. Autobot built the Loom of Fate, even; the Maidens didnt make their own.
There is no thematic or textual evidence to support the idea they could forge Exaltations from scratch, or even with blueprints.
This is reflected in their champions.
Solars and Alchemicals build wonders and maintain large industrial systems. Lunars, when they make stuff, make smaller, simpler tools, even though the excellence remains superlative. Sidereals post-Usurpation have been largely dependent on the surviving infrastructure of the pre-Usurpation Deliberative.
Its worth remembering that until the Exalted won the Rebellion, all the gods were geas bound to obey the Primordials.
Thats why they needed humans as footsoldiers because humans were so weak the Primordials hadnt bothered to geas them when they geased everyone of significance.
Thats why Exalt shards were designed to be autonomous; so the gods could not be forced to give orders to their bearers.
What that means? Theion could literally order the Incarnae to make fresh Exaltations, if it was in their ability.
Or just to hand over the designs so the Yozi could make their own.
The fact that neither happened suggests that no, the Incarnae cant whip up their own Exaltations from scratch.
Winning Vote
Arc 2 Post 42: Speeding Up
Speeding Up
22st of July 2006 A.D.
"Weell..." you draw out the syllable, not really knowing where to start since you don't know what Lydia knows. Not to mention that the alley next to one of Marcone's hideouts is not what you would call a safe place to be having long conversations. "I'm here in a general mission to deal with leftover Nazis and to help a friend, dad's a Knight of the Cross, think of like the Blues Brothers line but 100% for real and Ms Gard is..." you glance over at the woman as she talks to the local 'help' presumably telling them to keep their mouths shut about all this. "She's here for personal reasons to do with the people we are dealing with."
"Nazis... something to do with Kemmler, right?" Lydia asks as she checks her purse, glancing at her phone without much hope. "It's hard to put together given that the ghost I thought was being honest with me body-jacked me. Can't remember that by the way, but it makes sense from what you are saying. Can we go some place to talk?"
The last question is asked as much of your dad as of you so he answers.
"I think it would be safest for you to come home with us for now. We can..."
"Daniel's home isn't he?" Lydia cuts him off nervously. "I don't want him to worry. Maybe we could talk some place else?"
One the one hand you can sympathize, you would not want to have to explain to a friend nevermind a boyfriend about all this stuff ending with 'and then I got possessed by an evil wizard because I trusted her', but this really isn't the time to worry about that. "There are enemies looking for all of us," you glance meaningfully at Cindy. "At least one of them has more than five senses to do it with. Our house is about as safe as you get in the city on short notice and we all need some time to rest up."
Lydia takes a moment to think about it then slowly nods, though somewhat to your surprise she does think to ask Gard if she is incurring any debt from the car ride. So she does know some stuff...? All the stranger that she just let the Corpsetaker into her head.
"Desperation and folly can often wear that same garb," Usum notes. "She does not seek to call her father so it seems likely that he is out of reach, perhaps missing."
So you all get into the car, Cindy a little cramped in the middle seat, but not complaining, but before you can ask another question sound of the engine reeving up suddenly gets interrupted by the familiar tones of your dad's phone, ye olde Nokia that you are half convinced he sticks with because it's easier to fix for when it blows up around Harry.
And Harry is indeed the subject of the call, Father Forthil had managed to get him off on bail so he's not heading home... right in the middle of the chaos you have unleashed by freeing Cindy and banishing Capricorpus out of Lydia.
You bite back ad very impolite work. "Someone has to get Harry caught up on what he's dealing with, Katrina will have some way to watch his place I'm sure of it. Dad maybe you can take Lydia and Cindy..."
Lydia sees her chance. "We can tell each other what we know on the way there, that way I can meet your friend yes... Harry?" She looks at you pleadingly. "I know I haven't made the best impression so far, but I can help, not just sit around, cooling my heels while those monsters hunt my dad."
What do you argue?
[] Go to brief Harry to prevent an ambush outside his place
-[] Write in with whom
[] Harry can handle himself, you can talk to him on the phone once he gets home, no need to risk splitting up
[] Write in
OOC: And now Harry gets to walk into the case in its present state. Such fun for him.
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Arguably we should all head to Harry's apartment. With the equipment he has in his workshop he can probably track Cindy's grandfather and Lydia's father via them. This kind of Thaumaturgy is something that Harry is particularly good at. Even if they're behind wards it's quite possible he can track where they were and so pinpoint which building they disappeared into. It's also very likely that they're not behind high quality wards due to the lack of thresholds.
Harry isn't an idiot, so he should be able to take care of himself to an extent.
However, he was arrested without any of his gear. Even discounting the lack of information, which is no small thing, he's the least prepared he could possibly be. If the society wants to try that trick with the sniper again now would be the time. We need to get Micheal and and our two rescuees to safety to recover, and get support over to Harry.
Splitting the party is bad, but I trust the white god's strategic coincidence reserves for stuff like this. Gard and Molly should go get Harry and escort him to meet at the carpenter's place.
However, he was arrested without any of his gear. Even discounting the lack of information, which is no small thing, he's the least prepared he could possibly be. If the society wants to try that trick with the sniper again now would be the time. We need to get Micheal and and our two rescuees to safety to recover, and get support over to Harry.
Splitting the party is bad, but I trust the white god's strategic coincidence reserves for stuff like this. Gard and Molly should go get Harry and escort him to meet at the carpenter's place.
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Way to assume that every woman older than you is married, Molly!
This is probably "now heading home" as otherwise we wouldn't have to worry about intercepting him.
...Lydia? Cindy has no lines in this update, let alone an argument.
I don't have a problem with trading a Knight of the Cross for a wizard in the let's-murder-Katrina party. Though at this point aside from contacting Harry we really need to see if we can get in touch with Cindy's grandfather because the moment that Katrina pops out of Undertown with the knowledge that Cindy is gone, he's going to become a liability to her instead of an asset and she probably kills off her liabilities.
Is there any reason Father Forthill cant drop him off at the Carpenter place first?
Is there any reason Father Forthill cant drop him off at the Carpenter place first?
He already left. Father Forthil tried to call you when he actually got out, but you were underground at the time.
QUESTION
1)How many minutes from the Carpenter home to Harry's place if the Beige Wagon is driving itself?
2)How would Molly get to Harry's place from here? Taxi or a borrowed car from Marcone's place?
3)Is Kattrin's car still at the tattoo parlor?
4)Can Molly send a message to Mouse via Bunny asking them to be alert and that Harry's coming home?
5)What is the time, approximately?