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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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BronzeTongue said:
Dresden magic isn't exactly a physical mutation, or something similar to but distinct from the spiritual condition of the wizard. It's directly a consequence of the strength and nature of their soul. I don't think you could excise the magic from a DF wizard without performing at minimum a spiritual lobotomy that'd drive them bonkers.

Smothering it slowly over time like Charity did is one thing, especially because she was a minor talent. Gouging the eyes out of a wizard's soul would be a whole other kettle of fish.
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It's not like Exaltation removes power, it just forces you to express it through Charms and Sorcery, rather than Dresden-style magic.

Still not an exchange an experienced mage would want to make, but for Molly as a bare beginner it wouldn't be a big deal to have lost her magic for this new toolset.
 
Worth noting that in Exalted vs World of Darkness you could totally use Hedge Magic as an Exalt, though there is a reason I did not let you guys just buy a background for it. You are going to have to try to poke mortal magic IC to see what happens and then what you can make of it.
 
[X] To Harry: How do you learn magic?

Artemis1992 said:
Exaltations burn out all lesser mutations, no matter if helpful or harmful, this very likely includes any natural talent for Dresden-style magic.
She can propably still learn all the tricks that don't take inborn talent to perform, but most of Dresden's magic should be impossible to use.
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I feel like there is a situation in which an Exaltation actually makes you better at Dresden magic too.

Since iirc, any human can do magic (at minimum stuff like drawing and will infusing a circle), wizards are merely astronomically more talented.

This leads me to believe its possible Magic isn't the Sorcery but the Thaumaturgy equivalent.

And just like how Thaum is part of the exploitation of the base nature of reality and available to all, so may this. Even more with better Occult and Excellency.

Of course this is just a possibility. To illustrate that it is very much possible imo.
 
Valkhir said:
I feel like there is a situation in which an Exaltation actually makes you better at Dresden magic too.

Since iirc, any human can do magic (at minimum stuff like drawing and will infusing a circle), wizards are merely astronomically more talented.

This leads me to believe its possible Magic isn't the Sorcery but the Thaumaturgy equivalent.

And just like how Thaum is part of the exploitation of the base nature of reality and available to all, so may this. Even more with better Occult and Excellency.

Of course this is just a possibility. To illustrate that it is very much possible imo.
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That would feel weird in context of the quest though.

Getting the immensly versatile and for a talented mage also very powerful toolset of a Dresden-mage on top of our Exalted abilities just isn't good balance.

Edit: I guess it can be balanced by making spells cost XP and giving them a Willpower-cost to use or something like that, but that would seriously dilute the themes of being an Exalted.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
That would feel weird in context of the quest though.

Getting the immensly versatile and for a talented mage also very powerful toolset of a Dresden-mage on top of our Exalted abilities just isn't good balance.

Edit: I guess it can be balanced by making spells cost XP and giving them a Willpower-cost to use or something like that, but that would seriously dilute the themes of being an Exalted.
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In Exalted vs WoD you also could not Awaken as an Exalt, nor the other way around, that being the versatile and powerful mortal magic of the system. You could do Hedge Magic which was circumstantially good, but not 'turn your enemy into a duck' powerful.
 
We just got away from the talk about magic, don't you want our mom distracted from her constant worry for a moment?

She doesn't like Dresden and she doesn't like magic.
Asking A about B will not bring her on better thoughts.
 
Artemis1992 said:
We just got away from the talk about magic, don't you want our mom distracted from her constant worry for a moment?

She doesn't like Dresden and she doesn't like magic.
Asking A about B will not bring her on better thoughts.
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Charity would probably make an exception in favor of Molly hearing more about magic if the alternative is getting chatty with a White Court Vampire.
 
Goldfish said:
Charity would probably make an exception in favor of Molly hearing more about magic if the alternative is getting chatty with a White Court Vampire.
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I have honestly no idea what she knows or thinks about Thomas in canon, so I'll just take the risk and assume the charming young man talking will distract her too.

Or maybe she does not like him at all, but even then it's a break from thinking about her daughter the demon-princess.
 
Hey, @Goldfish long time no see, man. How're you up to? And how did Exalted (specifically ExWoD) has treated you, man?

Anyway, I'm curious and would ask a question to y'all. Do you think that this World's version of Vampires are classified as Creatures of Darkness that we can dominate or not? I would honestly like think so, but who knows? Maybe they're just Fae and not like the Kindred Vampires like in World of Darkness.
 
Artemis1992 said:
I have honestly no idea what she knows or thinks about Thomas in canon, so I'll just take the risk and assume the charming young man talking will distract her too.

Or maybe she does not like him at all, but even then it's a break from thinking about her daughter the demon-princess.
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She found out about Thomas when he joined up for the raid to get Molly back. Iirc her reaction was polite and cautious.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
Hey, @Goldfish long time no see, man. How're you up to? And how did Exalted (specifically ExWoD) has treated you, man?
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Hey, Jack. I'm doing good, just puttering around like normal.

As for Exalted, I think I'm in the minority here in that I've never played it or even read the source material. I'm gonna have to wing it on Dresden Files knowledge and whatever I can absorb in the thread.
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
Hey, @Goldfish long time no see, man. How're you up to? And how did Exalted (specifically ExWoD) has treated you, man?

Anyway, I'm curious and would ask a question to y'all. Do you think that this World's version of Vampires are classified as Creatures of Darkness that we can dominate or not? I would honestly like think so, but who knows? Maybe they're just Fae and not like the Kindred Vampires like in World of Darkness.
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The Black Court are pretty clearly undead and night-active creatures, so I believe they should count by most definitions. They even fear holy symbols.

Red and White are weirder, they are definitly a kind of monsters, but if they are on the List for CoD is up the QM or the Unconquered Sun.
 
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Jack vile Ripper said:
Anyway, I'm curious and would ask a question to y'all. Do you think that this World's version of Vampires are classified as Creatures of Darkness that we can dominate or not? I would honestly like think so, but who knows? Maybe they're just Fae and not like the Kindred Vampires like in World of Darkness.
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I'd d say probably mostly Creatures of Darkness, because vampires are either undead (Black Court) human + possessing hunger demon in symbiosis from birth (white court) or vampire monster (Red court).

I'd usually think Red Courts are most like to be non-CoD.
 
Goldfish said:
As for Exalted, I think I'm in the minority here in that I've never played it or even read the source material. I'm gonna have to wing it on Dresden Files knowledge and whatever I can absorb in the thread.
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Eh, you didn't miss much. Exalted 2.5 was a behemoth of overpowered bullshit that sort of burn out its own creative juice. This resulted in the Devs completely accepting the broken mechanics of the game and made more overpowered Charms for all Exalts (looking at Solars and Sidereals) before moving on to 3e.

I still love the game to bits, but man DP did a good job picking ExWoD for a mechanic than the original sourcebook. It's more grounded for once.

It also appears that DP is using Dark Ages 20th Anniversary or Vampires 20th Anniversary for rules. Which, of all the WoD splats and sourcebook is also the most level-headed of them all. Thankfully, we didn't use Mage: the Ascension 20th Anniversary for rules.

Fucking Mage splatbook...
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
Eh, you didn't miss much. Exalted 2.5 was a behemoth of overpowered bullshit that sort of burn out its own creative juice. This resulted in the Devs completely accepting the broken mechanics of the game and made more overpowered Charms for all Exalts (looking at Solars and Sidereals) before moving on to 3e.

I still love the game to bits, but man DP did a good job picking ExWoD for a mechanic than the original sourcebook. It's more grounded for once.

It also appears that DP is using Dark Ages 20th Anniversary or Vampires 20th Anniversary for rules. Which, of all the WoD splats and sourcebook is also the most level-headed of them all. Thankfully, we didn't use Mage: the Ascension 20th Anniversary for rules.

Fucking Mage splatbook...
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ExWoD is also something which as a newcomer to DM-ing will not drive me insane with complexity. I am using Vampires as the rule base for what it is worth, though I have also been pocking Werewolf for the spirit stuff.
 
Oh as an extra about Vampires. There are supposedly more vampire types in Dresden, we just never saw them in the works.

As an example the Jade Court. Hopefully not Kuei-Jin equivalent.
 
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