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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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[X] Wait, watch and question, it is rare to have so many interesting people in sight
-[X] Write in how to use the Crown of Eyes on the situation: Question used on the situation itself, "What does everyone in this room stand to gain from securing my freedom from the Unseelie Court?"

Possible vote to just put something down. I'd be down for other things if someone has a more thorough Write-up or a better worded question.
 
Is there any reason we can't just use the Crown of Eyes later, when we're not likely to draw even more attention for lighting up like an evil Christmas tree all of a sudden? I mean mechanically, is it one of those things that requires the subject of the question to be present? Otherwise, I would just sit back, don't do anything to make even more of a spectacle of ourselves, and see what all these interesting people have to say.

After all, we can't stick our foot in our mouth if we keep it closed, right?

[X] Wait, watch and question, it is rare to have so many interesting people in sight
 
[ ] Wait, watch and question, it is rare to have so many interesting people in sight

Bending over backwards to find a good use for the crown shows it's probably the wrong situation for it.
 
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zxzx24 said:
[X] Wait, watch and question, it is rare to have so many interesting people in sight

Bending over backwards to find a good use for the crown shows it's probably the wrong situation for it.
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I'm cool with just being an observer for now. However, the way the Crown is worded this is the time to use it. That way, our use for it is read into this situation at hand rather than use it for questions on individuals.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
That's what they say if we asked why they were here, but fey almost always have multiple agendas. Even while keeping her word exactly, how the summer lady (who holds that guy's leash) chooses to go about their obligations can be every bit as important as what their nominal goal was.

I don't actually recall all the details here, but I'm pretty sure she had some other game running here that played into why she helped in the particular ways she did. Though I could be wrong about it that.

It's also worth noting that we'd be asking how they'd benefit, not how they planned to benefit. This situation will likely cause a fairly significant amount of shifting around in fey politics. Learning how the summer lady will likely benefit from it could help us trace what that looks like.
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Not too long red court vampires invaded Summer to attack the wizards. Normally Summer would retaliate, but the shift in troops would have given Winter an opportunity to attack. So Lily handed Harry a butterfly full of Summer Fire to act as a guide, power up, and distraction. When Harry used it on the Scarecrow every Winter fae moved back to Arctis Tor to kill the ones who did that (Harry and co) giving Summer time to attack the vamps.

IMO we should just stay silent, we can ask when we won't have a Sidhe listening in on everything we say.
 
[X] Wait, watch and question, it is rare to have so many interesting people in sight
-[X] Write in how to use the Crown of Eyes on the situation: " What are the consequences of this situation on the groups involved in it?"

Had an idea for a context based question to get a better idea on what, if any, movement has been happening in the background IC.
 
[X] Wait, watch and question, it is rare to have so many interesting people in sight
-[X] Write in how to use the Crown of Eyes on the situation: " What are the consequences of this situation on the groups involved in it?"
 
[X] Wait, watch and question, it is rare to have so many interesting people in sight
-[X] Write in how to use the Crown of Eyes on the situation: " What are the consequences of this situation on the groups involved in it?"

This seems like we'd get a good amount of context to what's happening in character and the results with this beyond than those present at the theater room.
 
"What are the consequences of this situation on the groups involved in it" is some pretty tortured wording. Though It is good to seek information for ourselves.

"What will the consequences be for every group involved in this situation."

Or perhaps.

"What did every group in this meeting seek to gain."

I also find myself wondering how much of what the crown is going to give us we could get by asking about things afterward.

Though maybe he will naively believe he needs to protect us or something by hiding that info from us.

"What did every group in this meeting seek to gain. That they hid from the other here."

Heh.
 
Yeah, seriously.

Crown of Eyes isn't a fucking prophecy engine, it's Intellectus. Use it as such.
 
Alectai said:
Yeah, seriously.

Crown of Eyes isn't a fucking prophecy engine, it's Intellectus. Use it as such.
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Intellectus

Intellectus refers to a mode of existence which allows instant knowledge of anything by merely thinking about it. Having Intellectus is a feature of a small number of powerful supernatural beings.[1] It first appears in Turn Coat. Intellectus allows an immortal being to gain access to any...
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Intellectus allows an immortal being to gain access to any knowledge it needs. It is a mode of existence that allows a few rare beings to view reality as one piece, place and moment. They no longer search for knowledge, they just simply know, seeing the whole picture.[1]​

There are several limitations. For one, the being must know what they are looking for, and it takes many millions of years to acquire, and some beings only have Intellectus on specific subjects; such as Demonreach on its island and the Naagloshii on torture.[1]​[2]​
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Sharing this cause I had to look it up.

@Alectai How does one use it correctly?

Were all kind of feeling it out at the moment. So. *shrug*
 
zxzx24 said:
Intellectus allows an immortal being to gain access to any knowledge it needs. It is a mode of existence that allows a few rare beings to view reality as one piece, place and moment. They no longer search for knowledge, they just simply know, seeing the whole picture.[1]​

There are several limitations. For one, the being must know what they are looking for, and it takes many millions of years to acquire, and some beings only have Intellectus on specific subjects; such as Demonreach on its island and the Naagloshii on torture.[1]​[2]​

Sharing this cause I had to look it up.

@Alectai How does one use it correctly?

Were all kind of feeling it out at the moment. So. *shrug*
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The very limitations you see there "You have to know what you're looking"

A generic "Hey what will happen here" isn't going to produce valuable data, given how Free Will fucks with prophecy even in Exalted, growing more pronounced the more powerful the people involved are.

You ask specific questions about specific topics, not just a general "Remove all risk by knowing everything that's going to happen", because that will never happen. It can't tell you what will happen.

Seriously, Crown of Eyes isn't intended to trivialize RP by letting you flawlessly see the future as long as you ask the right questions.
 
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zxzx24 said:
Sharing this cause I had to look it up.

@Alectai How does one use it correctly?

Were all kind of feeling it out at the moment. So. *shrug*
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Hm, sounds like we need to ask a more concretely worded inquiry that is worded in the present tense. Else, we're going to get so much information it's worthless, or we're going to waste a question because it's simply not valid. Either way, it's probably for the best if we don't use it like a cosmic magic eight ball.
 
Alectai said:
The very limitations you see there "You have to know what you're looking"

A generic "Hey what will happen here" isn't going to produce valuable data, given how Free Will fucks with prophecy even in Exalted, growing more pronounced the more powerful the people involved are.

You ask specific questions about specific topics, not just a general "Remove all risk by knowing everything that's going to happen", because that will never happen. It can't tell you what will happen.

Seriously, Crown of Eyes isn't intended to trivialize RP by letting you flawlessly see the future as long as you ask the right questions.
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I understand you point, but it seems that Intellectus at least does give you broad goal focused knowledge.

At least open to interpretation? Stuff is weird, and kind of not specific enough.

According to Word of Jim[3]​ the Skinwalker that Dresden faced in Turn Coat has a limited form of Intellectus that focuses on how best to torture its victim. In the novel, it abducts Thomas Raith because it knows that hurting him would be an effective way of hurting Dresden, and that destroying the humanity of Thomas would be a good long term method of hurting him too.(reference needed)​
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I don't really have any personal stake in this vote. So Im just gonna withdraw mine now that people have made their own plans :V A lot of this looks good though.
 
Intellectus is, in effect "Limited omniscient viewpoint based on what you need to know to do your job". Skinwalkers are monsters, so they know how best to hurt people. The Archive is needed to identify if there are any Forbidden Books in circulation, so she has total knowledge of every instance of the written word on earth. Demonreach is a jail for things that can't be killed, and so it understands how to contain its prisoners and if there's anyone trying to free them from the outside. In the latter case, it can't just proactively identify someone is going to break in and prepare accordingly, because Demonreach's Intellectus ends at its shores, and anything coming from the outside might as well be an OCP--this is precisely why it requires a Warden to partner with it, to project power beyond its shores and intercept threats before they get close enough to actually require the defenses.

It can't be used to see the future, like the whole "What will happen here" lobby is trying to find out. At most, you can look at someone and say "What do they hope to achieve doing this", which is a legitimate question, but that can't be extended to "Everyone" unless you ask that question separately for each individual, because Crown of Eyes works on specific targets, not a general "Situation" thing.
 
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Alectai said:
but that can't be extended to "Everyone" unless you ask that question separately for each individual, because Crown of Eyes works on specific targets, not a general "Situation" thing.
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Uhh, this does also say specific situation, and being kidnapped by the Eldest Fetch was a valid target as a situation to avoid using it on Arctis Tor.

DragonParadox said:
While intensely studying an object, situation, or individual that is within her line of sight,
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Edit: The vote didn't win, but was valid.
 
Alectai said:
Intellectus is, in effect "Limited omniscient viewpoint based on what you need to know to do your job". Skinwalkers are monsters, so they know how best to hurt people. The Archive is needed to identify if there are any Forbidden Books in circulation, so she has total knowledge of every instance of the written word on earth. Demonreach is a jail for things that can't be killed, and so it understands how to contain its prisoners and if there's anyone trying to free them from the outside.

It can't be used to see the future, like the whole "What will happen here" lobby is trying to find out. At most, you can look at someone and say "What do they hope to achieve doing this", which is a legitimate question, but that can't be extended to "Everyone" unless you ask that question separately for each individual, because Crown of Eyes works on specific targets, not a general "Situation" thing.
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While intensely studying an object, situation, or individual that is within her line of sight, the Infernal may spend 1 Essence and ask one question about it,which the Storyteller must answer honestly.

Based on a cursory reading, that is exactly what we can do. Or is there some kind of limit or restriction I'm not aware of with the Situation part of the description?
 
Damn you guys work fast. Semantics Aren't what I was asking after though.

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So @Alectai

Then to further clarify.

"What is the best thing we can do in this situation" is not a valid ask?

But "How do I best contain these prisoners" isn't really what the island does? It just have comprehensive knowledge it is able to use to put together the "best" way forward?
 
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Valkhir said:
Uhh, this does also say specific situation, and being kidnapped by the Eldest Fetch was a valid target as a situation to avoid using it on Arctis Tor.
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As I said earlier.

Crown of Eyes isn't intended to be used as a generic "What's going to happen next" button. If you think you've found a way to do that, that is an unpatched exploit, not intended behavior.

It's intended to get you better information, not replace the need for RPing, or removing all doubt about what's coming ahead. "Hey, what's going to happen next" should never be a valid use for Crown of Eyes, no matter how you word it.
 
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