Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Offhand is alchemy really worth it when we almost never have time for it? Unless your gonna vote for alchemy actions this turn?
Dragon paradoxes stated that we can just have our clones make some and have it on us if it's plausible that we have it like say that we know we're going on a Hunting Expedition it would make sense for our clones to be prepared to make potions for us in that instance.
Are we allowed to say we had certain potions on hand all along or would it nessecitate a dip to Sanctuary?

And can we craft some gear for Venator via TTC without risking discovery?
Sure, within reason. If something would only be useful in an Antarctic death fortress then you do not have it since Molly only decided to come here a few hours ago, but more general stuff sure.
Wow that xp vote was in last Aug..I told BT if we got it that Unbound Shintai probably wasn't going to see use anytime soon anyway and it cost 20xp.
We've literally never used it.
Did someone have something in mind for Signature charm? I had a plan with eschathon in it but it's really expensive and it's really situational and I really dislike spending XP for functionally no reason.
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I'd like to point out that we don't have our basic perfect attack or defense yet. We're solidly in the portion of the game where we will be punished for that lack.

Arguably there are already occasions where the attack at least would have helped.

With level 3 we could have repurposed Sandra's city-wide rituals against her, or corrupted enemy power flows in real time. With this, we gain control not just over our own power, but over enemy infrastructure. And it scales up: with enough knowledge and upkeep, we could make places permanently magical—boosting allies, blighting foes. Which we might get a chance as we are still hunting wizards this turn.
I see your point, but this is substantially overstating the power of the path.

3 dots of mana manipulation is entry level for playing with larger amounts of power. Contesting someone who had months to prepare a ritual with sphere magic is no simple task even for an exalt.
 
I see your point, but this is substantially overstating the power of the path.

3 dots of mana manipulation is entry level for playing with larger amounts of power. Contesting someone who had months to prepare a ritual with sphere magic is no simple task even for an exalt.
She didn't have months to prepare that ritual she sacrificed some of her followers after we gave her time to do the ritual. Us ritual casting shape Mana would be approximately the same thing if she didn't stop us.

Also that's not how rituals work like you can do a lot of like the prep work like setting up the ritual across months but you only get to roll when you're doing it and a couple of hours is enough for a pretty powerful ritual but it's not uncontestable by any stretch of the imagination.
 
So I forget. When the vote does open does the moratorium count towards the two days?
So if we're going by total XP spent we're at 441 at this moment so by this particular calculation if it changed I would appreciate someone tell me we're probably going to hit E5 by the end of this Arc.
OK I remembered that you can divide things by fractional numbers ( :oops: ) so this is what between half and what one third looks like

E3: End of this Arc
E4: 215
E5: 461
E6/Elder: 952

I think we should go with this, not adding Circle XP since that would scale strangely as you get more circle mates. Sound fair?
Total XP: 0 (Unspent) + 58 (Earned this Arc) = 58
So do we like need a big event for essence 5 now?
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I'd like to point out that we don't have our basic perfect attack or defense yet. We're solidly in the portion of the game where we will be punished for that lack.

Arguably there are already occasions where the attack at least would have helped.
On this front I think we can push it back only because of what we're doing this month. We're hunting Wizards and possibly crafting protections for the sun Idol.

We already have human counter magic in an occult Excellency Skyfire seizing repast takes care of the generally most obvious Force applications from Wizards and we have perfect defenses against the non-obvious types (Mind & Time & correspondence & Entropy) of offenses and we have soak/Parry for (Matter) non energetic offenses as well.

So what I'm saying is essentially next XP spend I would definitely like to get A Perfect Defense but only because these opponents that were hunting are directly contestable with the tools we already have am I saying we don't get it right now.
 
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On this front I think we can push it back only because of what we're doing this month. We're hunting Wizards and possibly crafting protections for the sun Idol.

We already have human counter magic in an occult Excellency Skyfire seizing repast takes care of the generally most obvious Force applications from Wizards and we have perfect defenses against the non-obvious types (Mind & Time & correspondence & Entropy) of offenses and we have soak/Parry for (Matter) non energetic offenses as well.

So what I'm saying is essentially next XP spend I would definitely like to get A Perfect Defense but only because these opponents that were hunting are directly contestable with the tools we already have am I saying we don't get it right now.
Or poking the defenses of a solar leads to ancient nonsense going down and we end up on the wrong side of a perfect attack wielded by someone stronger than Holt/fighting someone we struggle to damage but could actually contest with SBS.
She didn't have months to prepare that ritual she sacrificed some of her followers after we gave her time to do the ritual. Us ritual casting shape Mana would be approximately the same thing if she didn't stop us.

Also that's not how rituals work like you can do a lot of like the prep work like setting up the ritual across months but you only get to roll when you're doing it and a couple of hours is enough for a pretty powerful ritual but it's not uncontestable by any stretch of the imagination.
Prep allows you to do bigger, better, harder to disrupt things. The chaos ritual was part of her push to the end of the sin eater, the minion defense buff she gave the dragon was a different thing.

The tools 3 dots of raw mana manipulation give aren't enough to just no sell that sort of thing on their own, even in the hands of an exalt.
 
I'd like to point out that we don't have our basic perfect attack or defense yet. We're solidly in the portion of the game where we will be punished for that lack.

I am partial to the *make reality cry uncle* perfect defense, as before.

Do we have enough for those two plus VEE? I think at this point we really ought to get this one too.

Sandtrike blast... I am not against, but even the last guy with artillery didn't show us having a problem with the lack of ranged attack so I am still not sure it's the most pressing matter.
 
I remember I promised to vote for VEE and Maggot nutrition.. I don't see the point in changing the priority in this regard yet. Of course, it is desirable to actually buy protection and attacks of the perfect type. But...
 
Do not cite the old magic to me witch, I was there when it was Written. jkjk
? I meant alchemical compounds we use to lower the cost of increasing attributes. It hasn't been long IC since we did it last, so it may not have worked fully since then. I'll have to check in a couple of hours when I have time.

Anyway, my thoughts: VEE, Egocentric Perception Application (either physical or mental), Binding Ancient magic as a political tool and a buff for Harry. Other things asI think if them a bit later. Lydia should buy her multi attack charm, I think.
 
I am pretty sure he was talking about how Essence 5 is the highest we are supposed to be able to reach (without going full on houserules), and that as a result it means it'll need a pretty big event to happen.
What is big if not this arc? That we have to kill lucifer or become the queen of 1001 hells to get the 5th essence? Well, a big event is a stretchable concept. The other end of the spectrum is the creation of the god of Chicago and manse.
 
Or poking the defenses of a solar leads to ancient nonsense going down and we end up on the wrong side of a perfect attack wielded by someone stronger than Holt/fighting someone we struggle to damage but could actually contest with SBS.
That's literally not worth worrying about I'm sorry. I normally try to take a more like nuanced than that but honestly a solar that's expends any level of their starting Budget on a perfect attack it is going to die trying to fight us.

I mean that earnestly because perfect attacks aren't free and even when they do hit because we are not a soft target in any way for any type of attack means they're either likely going to be hitting at one or two possible successes or zero at which point we have a high enough soak to just eat it if they also buy edge of morning sunlight it doesn't matter because we still have a high enough soak to eat aggravated damage.

We are an elder Infernal we are peers with elder solars if there were multiple solars in this equation that would be true there's not even if they had a full die Excellency +10 dice it still wouldn't be enough because their Essence would just burn away as they attempted to fight us.

Perfect attacks aren't the be all and end all of a combat dynamic essentially we have everything we need to either ignore them because they just wouldn't be able to deal enough damage to a resting 14 soak or we take one or two levels of damage and then we get to immediately disintegrate the rib cage of the solar that did it.

As we we just do have a full dice Excellency along with dice adders and difficulty reducers. I'm really not worried about a perfect attack from a solar at this moment.

None of that is to say new exalts aren't dangerous it's just we're not a new exalt and essentially in that confrontation it comes down to who can last the longest and we've got the ox bodies the Excellency duration and the essence to essentially just eat any individual younger exalted.

Prep allows you to do bigger, better, harder to disrupt things. The chaos ritual was part of her push to the end of the sin eater, the minion defense buff she gave the dragon was a different thing.
I mean the bolded is just not true in either Dresden Files or Ascension. Every big ritual we see in Dresden Files gets disrupted like flat out it's not even a question mark that that happens it happens every single time from Chichen Itza to the Dark Hollow to the fear storm over Chicago no matter how many people get sacrificed no matter how much preparation is done they all get interrupted. Systemically rituals and Mage the Ascension are the same people knowing that you're doing rituals can just try and stop you both with magic from without and attempt to stab you.
The tools 3 dots of raw mana manipulation give aren't enough to just no sell that sort of thing on their own, even in the hands of an exalt.
Shape Mana is exactly the kind of effect like the prime sphere that you would use to attempt to destroy someone else's ritual when it takes affect especially ritually casted. Tearing away at it is literally its purpose. That's like saying a younger wizard shouldn't be able to tear away at a ritual cast by an older one despite them being fully capable of knowing how the older one did it while having the spheres necessary to do so.

Ritual versus ritual is literally the exact setup you would need to try and contest rituals.
 
That's literally not worth worrying about I'm sorry. I normally try to take a more like nuanced than that but honestly a solar that's expends any level of their starting Budget on a perfect attack it is going to die trying to fight us.

I mean that earnestly because perfect attacks aren't free and even when they do hit because we are not a soft target in any way for any type of attack means they're either likely going to be hitting at one or two possible successes or zero at which point we have a high enough soak to just eat it if they also buy edge of morning sunlight it doesn't matter because we still have a high enough soak to eat aggravated damage.

I'm just going to point out:

Anti-soak charms that require a perfect to stop.

They do exists from what the thread showed me over time.
 
Anti-soak charms that require a perfect to stop.

They do exists from what the thread showed me over time.
As far as I can tell and I'm looking in the dawn section of the solar exalted they don't have one of those but even if they did they would still need to spend two Essence a turn to hit us with it and will have spent none on Ox bodies at which point we just hit them once and kill them.

There's like an immediate and obvious trade off if you give everything you are to combat power when you have a starting budget you are giving up defense and without a perfect defense a solar will just die if they don't have enough Ox bodies as we have green sun Nimbus flare and an Excellency of Our Own.
 
This was a snide thing before I thought better of it since. Solar's any new exalted can spend exactly one Essence per turn or as much Essence as they have in essence rating for a perfect attack to be effective against us it needs to have extra successes as we have enough soak to literally carry TNTs are in our hands as it goes off.

So if they spend it on an Excellency they can't use a perfect attack and if they spend it on a perfect attack it'll hit with zero successes through our own Excellency.
 
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I am partial to the *make reality cry uncle* perfect defense, as before.

Do we have enough for those two plus VEE? I think at this point we really ought to get this one too.

Sandtrike blast... I am not against, but even the last guy with artillery didn't show us having a problem with the lack of ranged attack so I am still not sure it's the most pressing matter.
My beef with SSB is that it doesn't scale well. If so inclined we could get a weapon just as effective and keep it with us in the digital inventory we never seem to really use.

It's 20 exp each for the defense and VEE, then 12 more for SBS. So yes, with one exp left over.
That's literally not worth worrying about I'm sorry. I normally try to take a more like nuanced than that but honestly a solar that's expends any level of their starting Budget on a perfect attack it is going to die trying to fight us
The solar isn't the concern there. The serious business defenses going off on us again, outside interference, some other nonsense taking advantage of the situation. It could be a lot of things.

We ended up with three ancient exalts going dog shopping. You can't seriously tell me you think this is a quiet day trip to board up some windows and go home. If it ended that way it would be an extreme outlier from everything else we've done for the last few months.

You also aren't addressing the attack. Even for targets we can beat in melee we can do so faster and with less risk if we can fry them with a glare. It's entirely possible we could have killed that Abyssal before he tattled on us to the Neverborn, leaving us with a pretty substantial advantage in that we could have just found the damn shard immediately afterwards.

I mean the bolded is just not true in either Dresden Files or Ascension. Every big ritual we see in Dresden Files gets disrupted like flat out it's not even a question mark that that happens it happens every single time from Chichen Itza to the Dark Hollow to the fear storm over Chicago no matter how many people get sacrificed no matter how much preparation is done they all get interrupted. Systemically rituals and Mage the Ascension are the same people knowing that you're doing rituals can just try and stop you both with magic from without and attempt to stab you
Usually by people killing the ritualists and messing with their stuff. Not by squaring up to wrestle for ambient power. The reason they approach ritual disruption by shooting the mage is because it's easier than rolling to counter.

Chichen Itza involved some of the best mages on the planet being forewarned of a major ritual targeting a senior council member. One that even the best wards on the planet couldn't stop. McCoy and the grey council showed up to murder everyone involved instead of fighting them for control of the spell.

Shape Mana is exactly the kind of effect like the prime sphere that you would use to attempt to destroy someone else's ritual when it takes affect especially ritually casted. Tearing away at it is literally its purpose. That's like saying a younger wizard shouldn't be able to tear away at a ritual cast by an older one despite them being fully capable of knowing how the older one did it while having the spheres necessary to do so.

Ritual versus ritual is literally the exact setup you would need to try and contest rituals
A gun is made to kill things. This does not mean that every gun ever made is suited to kill every target in the field. The on the spot casting work of a mid grade sorcerer is as suitable for the example you're giving as a pistol is for anti armor duty.

That isn't to say it can't be elevated by circumstances or additional effort; if we have our own tools set up, access to special resources, or help from others it could add value. This is not equivalent to what you're describing.
 
We don't have any firearms dots but that aside people keep saying that we can do this as an alternative then we never do.
SSB operates off Athletics, which we have two dots in and no excellency for. If we wanted to we could use grenades or other thrown weapons to similar effect to the base mode. The AoE is harder to replicate, but it's not something that we have much use for. There've maybe been two occasions were we could have used it without hurting our own side.

We haven't done it yet, but you could say that for a large number of Molly's abilities. In my eyes SSB is basically spending exp so that we don't need to engage our brains or plan more than one vote in advance.
 
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