Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

That's already a concept, and people have been doing it in DF since time immemorial.

Best thing we can do is to make it seem really, really unpalatable for any but the most depraved.
It's a concept we'd be popularizing. Essentially adding fuel to the fire you understand.

That's one way to go about it. Talk about a double edged sword.
 
That is still telling those people that trading your soul to demons and such is a good idea though. That seems like a bad message to give people.
I fully agree. I am not at all insisting on that part. Mercy in Servitude encoding would be a masterstroke by itself. However, demons are scary because, as I understand it, they are quite easy to call. And future installments cold show dangers of bargaining with various beings. It's better if people trade with us than with demons, however. That's the only thing I am saying here.

We need to avoid mission creep with the movie. So, I think we need to limit it to:
1) Dangers of rhampires and their minions (half-reds and addicts)
2) What to do with the addiction to rhampire saliva (if we can develop something and put it in the movie, all the better)
3) What to do if you became a half-red. Alternatives to joining the Red Court, warning that the rhampire won't be you, Mercy in Servitude.
4) Where and how to seek help if you survived a rhampire attack.
 
It's a concept we'd be popularizing. Essentially adding fuel to the fire you understand.

That's one way to go about it. Talk about a double edged sword.
It's going to happen one way or the other. We can at least muddy the waters. Maybe flood the infospace with so much bullshit false information about the subject that people who try it will fail by default.
 
It's better if people trade with us than with demons, however. That's the only thing I am saying here.
Oh, you mean because MIS isn't a secret and it's connected to Molly that people in the know may look for us specifically instead of defaulting to demons and the like promising them the same.

We need to avoid mission creep with the movie. So, I think we need to limit it to:
1) Dangers of rhampires and their minions (half-reds and addicts)
2) What to do with the addiction to rhampire saliva (if we can develop something and put it in the movie, all the better)
3) What to do if you became a half-red. Alternatives to joining the Red Court, warning that the rhampire won't be you, Mercy in Servitude.
4) Where and how to seek help if you survived a rhampire attack.
It's a good plan in theory. I'm always nervous/weary about leaning on that willful ignorance of humanity thing for the Masquerade. It's rather difficult to determine how much it can take with such an alien concept (the willful ignorance thing) being applied to so many to begin with. This would be good for when it comes down but not good if it forces it to right now because the Red Court spazzes out and does more Masquerade breaching attempts that DP's statement makes me think Mab may not interfere with until after the fact.

It's going to happen one way or the other. We can at least muddy the waters. Maybe flood the infospace with so much bullshit false information about the subject that people who try it will fail by default.
Yes.. It's definitely going to happen if we spread that information around deliberately but I get what your saying.

Ah, really though there's no clean way to go about this sort of thing simply due to the sheer amount of humanity involved. It was always going to be a mess. Maybe this is that apocalypse ending thing Butcher was talking about.
 
It's a concept we'd be popularizing. Essentially adding fuel to the fire you understand.
So, I think we need to limit it to:
We really don't need to do that. The only thing for mercy in servitude to activate is to fulfill a request from an infernal a recording of us requesting any possible read to keep us in their thoughts and prayers twice a day would be enough for them to activate MiS. Like the cancerous dragons in our hell like so many other beings that benefit from mercy in servitude.

As long as they keep making those two prayers per day and never act against us they would be completely encapsulated from their hunger. Of course a lot of other people suffering from lesser things could also make those two prayers and immediately notice that they're suffering is abating but we really don't need to phrase it as demon worship or demon negotiation or demon summoning or Soul selling.

To the point if in this hypothetical movie people who are slaying the vampire have a patron and their Patron is the Lady of the Frozen fate or the first of the order or whatever and her ability in starting the order is the ability to silence the hunger provided people do what she asks and all she asks is for two prayers a day and assistance in slaying the foul vampire and the second one is voluntary.

There's no need to make any inference of demonic dealings at all. If we record ourselves making that request in costume or however else we make the request with in film and people follow the request they are immediately taken in by Mercy in servitude, that's how we got Thomas.
 
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The only thing for mercy in servitude to activate is to fulfill a request from an infernal a recording of us requesting any possible read to keep us in their thoughts and prayers twice a day would be enough for them to activate MiS. Like the cancerous dragons in our hell like so many other beings that benefit from mercy in servitude.
I'm not actually sure that it works like that? I recall DP saying that we need to be aware of the people in some capacity to apply it. We'd need a ruling on this. When we did it in Sanctuary it was broadcasted and the pact was made live.

Actually it's better if it doesn't work like your describing because if it does theoretically say Dracula could put himself under MIS just by praying to us twice a day and reap all the benefits...

There's no need to make any inference of demonic dealings at all.
We don't need to but your forgetting that such beings will take advantage of such concepts being popularized. Not that demons are just running around, but that's a thing.
 
Dracula could put himself under MIS just by praying to us twice a day and reap all the benefits...
What benefits? There's nothing in the black vampire condition that can be helped by Mercy in servitude it's not powerful enough. He would still suffer every single one of his banes and his intrinsic nature. That is partially what we needed false Springs beckons for.
We don't need to but your forgetting that such beings will take advantage of such concepts being popularized. Not that demons are just running around, but that's a thing.
What beings? This is a real question because there's no being in Dresden Files that has such a wide reaching effect that has no cost like MiS. The fairies couldn't make such a deal with you there are no deities that would make such a deal with you at very least in this moment no demons. As they want to eat your soul/buy or soul no one in the setting can benefit in the same way simply because they all ask for a actual price rather than literally thoughts and prayers.

Even God themselves does not operate in such a sharp and immediately noticeable way like Mercy in servitude.
To be clear we got Thomas in a coffee shop, a Starbucks IIRC. I'm pretty sure we did that in person.
No we talked to him first but we did ask him to do something completely innocuous to prove that MiS worked to literally get us a drink. We did do it in person that is correct but inherently us putting the recording out there as a whole means that we are aware that we put it out there for consumption for people to listen to and the prayer thing was just an example. We could ask for literally anything in any disguise or manner.
 
What benefits? There's nothing in the black vampire condition that can be helped by Mercy in servitude it's not powerful enough. He would still suffer every single one of his banes and his intrinsic nature. That is partially what we needed false Springs beckons for.
Okay. Maybe that was a bad example. Picture any other supernatural character that we wouldn't want to empower in his place and respond to the point instead of just the individual poor example.

What beings? This is a real question because there's no being in Dresden Files that has such a wide reaching effect that has no cost like MiS
..You realize non Fae can and do just lie right?

We did do it in person that is correct but inherently us putting the recording out there as a whole means that we are aware that we put it out there for consumption for people to listen to and the prayer thing was just an example. We could ask for literally anything in any disguise or manner.
We did it in person. We have never done it through a recording. Pretty positive DP told us it doesn't work like that and it would be problematic if it did. We'd have to do it live the charm cannot be applied randomly to people without our knowledge. I'll see if I can find his statement on this.
 
Picture any other supernatural character that we wouldn't want to empower in his place and respond to the point instead of just the individual poor example.
Mercy in servitude isn't an upgrade to supernatural creatures in the vast majority of cases it can cause things like cancer and mental issues to suppress themselves for a time while they're in our service even suppress their hunger but it doesn't actually increase their strength at all and if they're doing something against the possible dictate that we gave in exchange for mercy in servitude it immediately turns off. False Springs Beckons is an upgrade simply because it allows things like a white vampire to ignore their Bane and other crazy stuff like that.
Mercy in servitude cover things that would make the servant less able to serve, things that are painful or debilitating. It does not deal with the merely uncomfortable. Someone like Mavra is also way past noticing mere discomfort when her plans are on the line.
You realize non Fae can and do just lie right?
So what's the deal if they lie. Non-Fae are still going to ask for things in comparison to asking for essentially something that is either imminently replaceable or not their soul. What is the LIE going to be when the cost comes due for the service they have lied to procure.

As magical deals and most magical Agreements are in the letter of what is agreed upon rather than the spirit or the deception if a demon lies to you and says I will give this to you in exchange for your prayers and it tries to steal your soul, magically speaking they're going to have to just kill you and take your soul out of your corpse and Hope nothing else tries to stop them in the intervening time.

As the words and the spirit of their agreement with you seems to suggest that no they can't take your soul that wasn't the deal. The law of reciprocity holds. All of this relies on other beings being interested in capitalizing on this really low profit method that has always existed and still exist at this moment.

If we set the price for low enough then everyone is competing against us and it's like oh we have to commit our limited magic/resources against this seemingly Infinite Source at no benefit and in fact in doing so possibly harm ourselves because these people are praying for and alleviation of their suffering rather than to increase the sin or destroy the world or anything else. That's why I asked what other beings because mercy in is a wide reaching effect that can literally hit whole species given the chance.
Pretty positive DP told us it doesn't work like that and it would be problematic if it did. We'd have to do it live the charm cannot be applied randomly to people without our knowledge. I'll see if I can find his statement on this.
I wasn't able to find anything to that affected but this does seem to be pretty against that I'm not saying it doesn't exist but
Ah and also as for this, correct MiS has no restrictions of space, or even being on the same plane of existence, as long as they are doing your will your servants are covered.
This is also a pretty interesting to but as a whole that I found interesting while I was searching but it's interesting as just a fact
Everyone who is part of the Covenant is technically doing service in your name. Infernal Exaltation being what it is it considers 'worship' and 'service' interchangeable.
 
Mercy in servitude isn't an upgrade to supernatural creatures in the vast majority of cases it can cause things like cancer and mental issues to suppress themselves for a time while they're in our service even suppress their hunger but it doesn't actually increase their strength at all and if they're doing something against the possible dictate that we gave in exchange for mercy in servitude it immediately turns off.
I know what it does. You are being pedantic now.

So what's the deal if they lie.
I don't understand why you are asking this question.

I wasn't able to find anything to that affected but this does seem to be pretty against that I'm not saying it doesn't exist but
This is also a pretty interesting to but as a whole that I found interesting while I was searching but it's interesting as just a fact
Um okay.. in any case I'm going to look for what I'm remembering in a bit. Failing that we can wait to ask for clarification.
 
I know what it does. You are being pedantic now
I'm really not.
empower in his place and respond to the point instead of just the individual poor example.
You said in Empower in his place and I said it doesn't Empower people I really don't know what else I'm supposed to say there.
I don't understand why you are asking this question.
You realize non Fae can and do just lie right?
I was responding to this question maybe I didn't understand what you meant by this and you can explain it to me instead of the other way around. You mentioned non-fay can and do just lie so I went off of that but maybe you meant something else. That I didn't pick up on.
 
You are right. And thank you for making me think about it. The more I think about it, the more I think we can be ambitious with the movie. It shouldn't really be about the dangers of of individual Rhampires. Not primarily at least. Because they basically share the same ones as Blampires do. Well, the movie / media should have those, of course - if only for graphical reasons.

But there's another unique layer we can play with, and an indirect route to crippling the strategic political power of Red Court. To break them long-term, like Black Court was broken. Specifically, I am talking about half reds and those addicted to rhampire saliva. Those are unique mechanisms of control that red court is using to recruit people, and to control people and institutions. If we can deprive Red Court of their unwilling mortal slaves, we can do a lot of good strategically. So:

1) Have the movie demonstrate that the Rhampire produced from the mortal is not the mortal itself - this would decrease the number of people willing to go from half-red to full-on Rhampire willingly

2) Demonstrate that the addiction can be fought and controlled. If there are any rituals normal people can do to help with the addiction (not half-red state, the addiction), include and encode those. This cripples or at least combats the networks of influence rhampires have among mortals. We might have to develop something there, some manner of common person magic / ritual / faith invocation maybe to help with it.

3) Encode Mercy In Servitude into the movie as a way for half-reds to get control over their hunger and avoid becoming full on rhampires. This is straight up a trick from Age of Legends, where a Solar developed a language which had prayer to their name encoded in it as part of everyday speech in order to farm cult-generated motes. Something along those lines could probably be done here. And it can be done in a movie - have the half-red hero, for example, find an ancient tome describing a simple ritualistic offering to "Radiant Pearl of Sorcery Pure and Impure", where they enter a pact, promising to follow X precepts and in exchange the ancient goddess grants them control over their curse, though not the freedom from it, not until the last vampire is dust in the wind.

Actually, yeah, this works. Have the main hero end up as a half-red at some point of the movie, enslaved by their rhampire master. Pit of Despair and all. Have them get in contact with the resistance (heavily coded to be Fellowship of St. Giles or White Council), look for cure and methods to combat their curse. In the end they discover the ritual described above, perform it, which grants them power over their hunger and strength enough to kill their sire (a young rhampire). Cut to sequel / TV show as the half-red paladin (because yes, the ritual in question would basically be a paladin's oath) of the Radiant Pearl explores the supernatural world, fighting evil.

In the next movies / establishments in the franshise we could do stuff with Prayer Eating, possibly, and soul trade, both the warnings of, and getting people to trade with us, instead of hells.

Yes, I really like this idea in general.

Also, such a movie in general could be a gateway to a series of media products, all meant to slowly prepare the world for the lifting of the masquerade.
I don't think this would be as effective as you imply, but it's a place to start at least.

That said, using MiS that way is probably all but impossible. We've been told it requires both sides to commit to the master-servant roles.

Molly can't willfully accept someone service without knowing they're offering, and I think the nature of the power doesn't allow us to general accept by default policy.

Even those knowing the truth, especially those knowing the truth, aren't going to sign deals based on a line from a movie anyway.

I'd also argue that this sort of product actively shores up the Masquerade for the same reasons it makes it hard to bring one person in on it. By making it media you're labeling specific ideas as fake. Attempts to report or describe it will face even stronger rejections than they already do.

Waldo Butters nearly lost his job and did get put in a dead end punishment position because he had the audacity to issue an accurate medical report on a bunch of red vampire corpses in his morgue. The guy was a seasoned professional who had the time and access to write a report with the evidence right there to reference and it went very poorly for him.

It would almost certainly have gone worse if he'd included something that added up to a monster from a popular movie ending up on his table.

Fictionalizing setting details in a IC franchise primarily has the benefit of allowing us to share information to people who already know enough to recognize what we're talking about. The price for that as I see it is turning the terms we use into red flags for someone unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality for everyone else.

Eventually it'll fall, but everyone in Butter's position without his moral fiber inventing things to mask what they 'know' can't be true is another person who could have helped tear it down being conscripted to prop it up instead.
 
I'm really not.
You said in Empower in his place and I said it doesn't Empower people I really don't know what else I'm supposed to say there.
Empower means to give power/ability of some kind to someone. What it does could be referred to as empowering someone as we would be using our power to apply an effect/benefit to them, such as the ability to perfectly control Hunger, which they otherwise would not have access to. You got fixated on the word choice and missed the forest for the trees, missing my point entirely.

I was responding to this question maybe I didn't understand what you meant by this and you can explain it to me instead of the other way around. You mentioned non-fay can and do just lie so I went off of that but maybe you meant something else. That I didn't pick up on.
My original statement to you was that popularizing concepts such as MIS, that is swearing loyalty to a supernatural power in exchange for having undesirable ailment/affliction(s) managed, would give demons and such more opportunities or make their job a bit easier in theory since we'd be again popularizing the concept and ingraining it into the public consciousness. This is assuming that the franchise takes off.

I pointed out that they can be deceitful. Whether or not they could offer it at no cost or have a hidden cost or some other third thing is irrespective of what I'm saying.

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Okay. So it's clear to me that using the obvious keywords won't bring it up. All I found were these statements and I'm not going to bother looking for the exact quote anymore.

Sure, you have to agree that they are your servants for it to trigger.
Yes, if you are loyal that is enough, you can even be born into it and many gurvel already have
Seems like it requires our active consent to trigger, though there is also a statement that you can be born into it. That said I'm not sure if that's a good statement to be looking at since the Gurvel are of Molly's soul body and we have a statement that if killed they'll likely return to Sanctuary so.. Would be better to ask if it can be used through a recording then since there is no precedent of such, not that I see supernaturals seriously doing that since a movie is a movie but I digress.
 
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You got fixated on the word choice and missed the forest for the trees, missing my point entirely.
No you posted as empowering an enemy when entirely mercy in servitude means they are are servant when they take it there's no way to empower someone to begin with any ancient enemy that you could possibly be talking about already has control of their hunger or is already like that and it would never agree to serve Us in any capacity.

I just chose to engage with what you said firstly a black vampire and then empowerment which it does neither as you stated. Every denarian is too powerful to be affected by mercy in servitude, Reds and whites control their hunger when they're fully made already and there's no other condition that can be helped with using mercy in servitude if they deign to bend their neck in service to begin with.

There is a stunningly small list of beings that could possibly interact with Mercy in servitude in the way that you were talking about ( meaningfully agree to serve, not be too powerful as to be unaffectable using the charm, Still truly being an enemy) to the point where if I didn't just want to blow off your argument I had to actually engage with what you said rather than say that's literally impossible because I think just saying that would never happen is a shit move when people are trying to have a exploritive conversation.
My original statement to you was that popularizing concepts such as MIS, that is swearing loyalty to a supernatural power in exchange for having undesirable ailment/affliction(s) managed, would give demons and such more opportunities or make their job a bit easier in theory since we'd be again popularizing the concept and ingraining it into the public consciousness.
Oh I didn't even think of that I feel like those are already insanely popular / known and easy but most people already just aren't willing to offer a price that supernatural beings would leverage for that. If the deceptiveness or the cost is not a deciding factor in the statement then okay.
 
Stoker isn't the only book written on vampires, and reds share a lot with the pop culture spectrum of vampires that Butcher drew on to write them.

While IC there isn't a specific source bringing it all together, anyone inclined to take a movie as reason to be suspicious of vampiric infiltration already has modern sources that are 80% of the way there.

I'm not saying it should do nothing, but that it would be muted compared to the existing media and wouldn't be used in exclusively by almost anyone. By definition people willing to use movies as sources are willing to take movies as sources and the credibility of one over the other isn't exactly obvious.

Much of the rest of my point was that this would make dealing with reds at least a little easier for people who believe but simultaneously make it harder for people to do so because of the way it presents information.

It seems to me that this would be extremely relevant to early stages of recognizing reds. If you know that vampires exist you largely don't need the movie, though it could be helpful in some places. If you don't then anyone trying to convince you there's a problem has to demonstrate that vampires are real and happen to match a highly popular movie that came out recently.

Which is much harder because it sounds much crazier and presents easier to swallow alternatives packaged in the argument itself.

It's like if you had high certainty information about an asteroid heading towards earth and chose to share it via sandwich board sign at an intersection in a major city. Maybe an astronomer will see your sign and think to check just to be safe or something, but the medium of your message is an attack on its credibility.

It wouldn't have as much of an effect as going public, but it would add drag to all Red Court operations at a time when they are under as much strain and more than the White Council. The Black Court was uniquely vulnerable because they are the Black Court, no allies, no friends, only thralls to cover their weakness. The Reds are now vulnerable because of the war, any actions they take to mitigate the effect have to compete with dealing with the angry Wardens at the door.
 
No you posted as empowering an enemy when entirely mercy in servitude means they are are servant when they take it there's no way to empower someone to begin with any ancient enemy that you could possibly be talking about already has control of their hunger or is already like that and it would never agree to serve Us in any capacity.
I just explained to you why I used the word empower and why it's fine the way I used it since you misunderstood me.

I already admitted that Dracula was a poor example. I told you to substitute Dracula with any other character. Any other character.

This is because I do not have a specific person in mind. It literally does not matter. You can use any example that you believe MIS would be applicable too because they aren't too strong or whatever. Which is why I asked you to do so.

meaningfully agree to serve, not be too powerful as to be unaffectable using the charm, Still truly being an enemy
The example you gave was praying to a fictional character, the Lady of Frozen Fate, depicted in this theoretical movie. This statement doesn't make sense.

Oh I didn't even think of that I feel like those are already insanely popular / known and easy but most people already just aren't willing to offer a price that supernatural beings would leverage for that. If the deceptiveness or the cost is not a deciding factor in the statement then okay.
The point is that we'd be adding fuel to the fire and exasperating an issue.
 
I don't think we should try to add a MIS coding in the movie, there is a risk it would people wary of the movie instead of making them try to follow it, as most of the one we would touch would already be primed to want to avoid any additional pact with a devil that sounds too good to be true.
 
Oh, you mean because MIS isn't a secret and it's connected to Molly that people in the know may look for us specifically instead of defaulting to demons and the like promising them the same.
We really don't need to do that.
Ok, I feel I was misunderstood. Within the concept of the first movie, only the Mercy in Servitude should be encoded, which should function along the line of what @Degorium described - make an oath, refrain from doing certain things, pray once / twice a day to Molly, and you get your hunger in check. Nothing more. Make it as simple as possible, so, for example, a ghoul teenage fan of the movie could try it as a joke.

The subject of soul trade, IF (and that's a big IF, I am not committed to the idea) it should be introduced in the media, should be a separate concept, brought up later in the franchise, with plentiful warnings that in 665 out of 666 cases it'll lead to fate worse than death, etc, and that it is only to be done in the worst kind of situations, and then only with Molly as the buyer, as the only trustworthy agent.

MiS and Soul Trade are wholly separate things in this context. Sorry for muddling the waters.
Actually it's better if it doesn't work like your describing because if it does theoretically say Dracula could put himself under MIS just by praying to us twice a day and reap all the benefits...
Which is why we make it a bit more complex. I wasn't joking about making D&D Paladin's Oath.
That said, using MiS that way is probably all but impossible. We've been told it requires both sides to commit to the master-servant roles.

Molly can't willfully accept someone service without knowing they're offering, and I think the nature of the power doesn't allow us to general accept by default policy.
I am fairly sure it requires the person being put under the MiS to be at least somewhat aware they are doing so, but not Molly. Servant (let's call them for now) needs to consciously choose to serve, and they need to be aware of whom they are choosing to serve, but I am fairly certain they don't need to take the serving seriously, or believe Molly is real. Molly doesn't need to be aware of anything. She certainly doesn't need to know that the Servant exists, or that they have started serving her - that's the big caveat of MiS, the twist of all Infernal charms. This is how we are able to grant it to all faithful Gurvel, how we are granting it to St. Giles operatives.

@DragonParadox could you weight in on this?
 
She certainly doesn't need to know that the Servant exists,
Well, you just asked but we do have a quote confirming that this is the case already. Molly doesn't need to be aware but they need to be loyal. I don't think faking it would count since they should have to think she's real to be loyal to her.

So to be clear, your saying that Molly should act as a Goddess in the movie under the name Molly Carpenter or through a proxy identity?
 
Well, you just asked but we do have a quote confirming that this is the case already. Molly doesn't need to be aware but they need to be loyal. I don't think faking it would count since they should have to think she's real to be loyal to her.

So to be clear, your saying that Molly should act as a Goddess in the movie under the name Molly Carpenter or through a proxy identity?
On loyalty - fairly sure the degree of loyalty doesn't need to be high - see Thomas giving Molly a coffee qualifying him. So, an oath uttered as a half-joke ("what the hell, may as well try it") or without expecting it to work ("At this point I'll pray to Jar-Jar Binks if they save me from this!") should work, as long as they keep it up later.

Not sure if Molly should appear on screen in person, but a fictionalized ritual (as simple as possible) in the name of the Radiant Pearl of Sorcery Pure and Impure (one part of Molly's name written on her throne in the Sanctuary) should be in it, and be used as a plot device to be brought into public attention.

Maybe have her shintai form be depicted on some ancient stone tablets in the movie?
I don't think we should try to add a MIS coding in the movie, there is a risk it would people wary of the movie instead of making them try to follow it, as most of the one we would touch would already be primed to want to avoid any additional pact with a devil that sounds too good to be true.
Not really? MiS-coding would have three main target categories: unwillingly turned half-reds, normal mundane people targeted for vampirization by rhampires, and (as a bonus) teenage ghouls having super puberty from hell. Maybe some other human-originating people too (I think it might benefit people possessed by ghosts?). Ie people who are unlikely to be fully aware of the supernatural.
 
On loyalty - fairly sure the degree of loyalty doesn't need to be high - see Thomas giving Molly a coffee qualifying him. So, an oath uttered as a half-joke ("what the hell, may as well try it") or without expecting it to work ("At this point I'll pray to Jar-Jar Binks if they save me from this!") should work, as long as they keep it up later.

Not sure if Molly should appear on screen in person, but a fictionalized ritual (as simple as possible) in the name of the Radiant Pearl of Sorcery Pure and Impure (one part of Molly's name written on her throne in the Sanctuary) should be in it, and be used as a plot device to be brought into public attention.

Maybe have her shintai form be depicted on some ancient stone tablets in the movie?
That's what I'm wondering about now. Shouldn't the other person need to know and recognize Molly in specific as the one they are doing the act in the name of, to actually be demonstrating loyalty to us though? Thomas did it when Molly asked but if it's done in the name of a fictional character Molly is dressed up as rather than in the name of Molly herself is it still going to count? That just seems like I'd be up to QM interpretation.
 
That's what I'm wondering about now. Shouldn't the other person need to know and recognize Molly in specific as the one they are doing the act in the name of, to actually be demonstrating loyalty to us though? Thomas did it when Molly asked but if it's done in the name of a fictional character Molly is dressed up as rather than in the name of Molly herself is it still going to count? That just seems like I'd be up to QM interpretation.
True. I am accounting for this by using a part of Molly's name as the focus of the ritual. Molly is "Radiant Pearl of Sorcery Pure and Impure". That's what it says on her Throne. So, in essence it would be Molly in the movie. Maybe also in a cameo role, but at most that. And maybe some ancient clay tablets with her shintai form, or the depiction of her throne.
 
True. I am accounting for this by using a part of Molly's name as the focus of the ritual. Molly is "Radiant Pearl of Sorcery Pure and Impure". That's what it says on her Throne. So, in essence it would be Molly in the movie. Maybe also in a cameo role, but at most that. And maybe some ancient clay tablets with her shintai form, or the depiction of her throne.
So you want to make something roughly in the style of mystic MCU with not!Molly being the local Nick Fury? I can see it happen, though I expect some pointed looks in our direction from other factions.

On the bright side though, if the cultural trends are similar to IRL early 2000's are quite a good time to launch a fantasy megafranchise. The genre is riding high after LotR movies, Harry Potter is in progress, Narnia should have just got its first film... Hollywood is willing to trust that kind of thing, and being independently rich allows us to go for maximum art and quality. It'll just be a matter of scheduling the premiere to avoid direct competition.
Also, Iron Man came out in 2008 if I remember correctly, so we might even get ahead of the 'shared universe' curve. Unless Blade movies end up going in a different direction with all the... you know what.
 
Also, hmm... This actually works, I think. @DragonParadox is this a valid splendor?

The Splendor takes the form of something otherworldly. It may be a religious symbol, an overtly
magical object such as a wand or pentacle, or a strange haze. It may be an inchoate thing of
coalesced light which can be held and touched. This Element defines the Splendor's physical
form and gives it a character, and that character is aligned with the power of the Spirit World.
Other Elements may draw upon this fact.
The Splendor can be summoned directly into the Umbra when made to manifest, if its owner
desires. As the basis for an Adornment, it grants its user the ability to see and interact with spirits
on the other side of the Gauntlet. As the basis for a Fascination, it can interact with both the
physical world and the Spirit World.
The Splendor manifests in the world as an enchantment embedded in a specific person present at
the time of its summoning, chosen by its owner. If it has no other Form Element, then it appears
as a mark like a tattoo somewhere on the infected individual's body. Wherever they go, so too
goes the Splendor. If it has a physical Form Element, then it appears in the infected individual's
possession, and will always return to them at the beginning of each scene even if thrown away,
left behind, or given away. If its physical Form is something immobile like a tree, then the
targeted individual is going to find that tree wherever they go for the duration of the Splendor's
manifestation.
If the Splendor is an Adornment, then this Element allows its benefits to be enjoyed by the
person to whom the Splendor is attached, even if they're not its owner and not attuned to it. Even
if they're not Exalted at all.
This Splendor changes a person's Nature.
As part of an Adornment, it grants its user a different Nature while in use. This Nature is chosen
when the Splendor is designed.
As part of a Fascination, the Nature it bestows is based on criteria defined when the Splendor is
designed. This might be eternally fixed (simply creating Bon Vivants, for example) or it might
be contextual (changing a target's Nature to its polar opposite, or causing the target's Nature to
match their Demeanor). If the Splendor doesn't contain a condition under which the target may
revert to their original Nature, or the target fails to satisfy that condition, then they return to
normal after one day for a 1-2 dot Splendor, one week for a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-
dot Splendor, and one year for a 5-dot Splendor.
This Element can only be part of an Adornment.
The Splendor stokes the fires of the Exalt's Essence whenever she affirms her innermost self.
When she regains Willpower from fulfilling her Nature, she also refills her Essence pool.
The Splendor's outward trappings may be modified to reflect the aesthetics of an ancient sorcery
spell that the creator knows. For example, a Splendor that uses Scourge the World and Form of
Graceful Winds to create a deadly ice storm might instead create a swirling rain of obsidian
butterflies, or a downpour of venomous spiders.
The Splendor causes a transformation in accordance with its character, as defined by Form
Elements such as Form of Graceful Air. The nature of the transformation depends on the Form or
Forms in play, but might include transformation into things like a sparrow (air), pig (earth), a
living flame (fire), a fish (water), a stag (wood), a walking corpse (death), a semitranslucent
spirit (spirit), or a fantastic beast such as a sphinx (dreams). These are meant to be examples, and
not an all-inclusive list.
As an Adornment, this Splendor requires a point of Willpower and a turn spent in transformation
to either assume the characteristic form or return to the user's native form.
As part of a Fascination the maximum duration of the transformation (assuming it isn't cut short
earlier by fulfilling some criteria built into the Splendor) is one day for a 1-2 dot Splendor, one
week for a 3-dot Splendor, one month for a 4-dot Splendor, and one year for a 5-dot Splendor.
The Splendor's outward trappings may be modified to reflect the aesthetics of an ancient sorcery
spell that the creator knows. For example, a Splendor that uses Scourge the World and Form of
Graceful Winds to create a deadly ice storm might instead create a swirling rain of obsidian
butterflies, or a downpour of venomous spiders.
Great Sorcerous working, anchored to Reality by the indestructible might of Molly Carpenter's exaltation, the Paladin's Oath takes a form of a prayer and an oath. It was first depicted in an undying classical horror movie "Blood Stopping Oath", and has, since then been spread through the world by word of mouth. When a person afflicted with a supernatural malady, such as a half-red vampire, or a young ghoul utters the words on the Oath, even if they do so without serious expectation of fullfilment, Creation hears. From this point on, they fall under the aegis of the Radiant Pearl of Sorcery Pure and Impure, and few indeed are those that can dare dream to breach it. As long as they remain faithful in fullfilling its precepts, their curse is leashed and turned to their own, and their ladies' benefit. They suffer from insatiable hunger or unnatural, uncontrollable urges no longer, and instead gain the full benefits of their conditions, powered fully through their commitment. This pact is sealed in ancient script, written across their own heart, unseen by anyone but their mistress or a skilled enough surgeon.

[5 dot upgrade] And in the fullness of time , as they progress upon their path, the benediction of the Radiant Pearl will warp their curse, molding it in her image. [/5 dot upgrade]
The bakemono [5 dot upgrade] or mortal [/5 dot upgrade] makes an oath and a ritual offering (enough to qualify them for Mercy in Servitude) to the Radiant Pearl of Sorcery Pure and Impure. They can be made aware of the contents of the oath either by watching the movie it is depicted in, by word of mouth, or through any other means. This provides them the following benefits:
1) Benefits of Mercy in Servitude, as long as they keep to their oath
2) Instinctive awareness of attempting to break the oath (I am using Dreaming a New Dream for this)
3) Regaining full "energy pool" of whatever they need to feed their supernatural abilities by actively fulfilling their oath (Essence-Stoking Spirit)
4) Counting as being within hearing range of the Radiant Pearl (Molly Carpenter) for the purposes of Prayer Eating disciplines and Verdant Emptiness Empowerment no matter where they actually are
[5 dot upgrade] 5) Ability to buy Brass Court abilities and remove their own supernatural template abilities with XP slowly transforming them into a Brass Court member. Has to be done willingly, with their own XP [/5 dot upgrade]

If they break their oath, the benefits are null and void, and cannot be reobtained for a year and a day, and without Radiant Pearl's express agreement. Any abilities bought via this Splendor are sealed, though the curses removed are not reapplied.
 
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