Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I would agree on the soul cost. Maybe if it was used as fuel like in Soul fire it would be better but I get what Yog was going for thematically.

That's also a completely Fair critique that's why I didn't quote it. The systemic cost of using bits of your soul that are identifiably still bits of your soul is you lose a bit of your soul and someone can command you to do shit. There is very little that would be worth that.

But that's not where that comment ended is it? It's the solar's already have enough advantages without having ours, let the solar be a solar and that idea is dumb.
I feel like it is worth mentioning that splendors can't be stolen or lost. So it's hard to see what the downside is.

Also our sword is functionally a splendor with a bit of our soul in it.
 
I feel like it is worth mentioning that splendors can't be stolen or lost. So it's hard to see what the downside is.
Whoever owns a Splendor that is also an Exalt's soul may issue that Exalt whatever commands they desire, and these cannot be disobeyed.
If the soul part isn't used as fuel for essentially Construction it remains a part of the soul that is just externalized. So even if it couldn't be stolen the solar or whoever we gave this Wonder let's say we tried to make like a essentially a purgatory for ghost for Lydia so she can open up the holding cell in our hell without needing to directly connect the two or whatever she would be able to literally command us via that Soul fragment.
 
If the soul part isn't used as fuel for essentially Construction it remains a part of the soul that is just externalized. So even if it couldn't be stolen the solar or whoever we gave this Wonder let's say we tried to make like a essentially a purgatory for ghost for Lydia so she can open up the holding cell in our hell without needing to directly connect the two or whatever she would be able to literally command us via that Soul fragment.
But they can't own it unless we give it to them. It's like you missed the part where a splendor can't be lost or stolen.

Just use the splendor yourself. We have all sorts of armor ideas.
 
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Arc 14 Post 60: Due the Dead
Due the Dead

19th of February 2007 A.D.

Thus the midnight hour tolls over Paris, fortuitously late you lead against one of the ancient walls, shaking a little from the exertion, feeling empty in a way that has nothing to do with food. "We did it... we actually did it..." the words are softer than one might prefer, nothing of the cold confidence with which you had told off Drusus for his missing, or argued with an angel. Still can't quite believe I did that. As the senior wizards work to take apart the half rotted tethers of the Labyrinth there's nothing you want more than to get back to Edinburgh and make sure everyone is safe, but in the aftermath of the battle and the return of the missing Gatekeeper and Martha Liberty, both with grim news that will be spoken of when next the full Council can meet to discuss the events of the day, there is still one more urgent matter to handle as Lydia's expectant expression shows.

Thankfully none of the wizards passing through with questions, news and offers of tiny French chocolates with odd names can guess. After all the White Council rather frowns on Necromancy in general and of its members in particular.

The door to the staff-side tunnels clicks rather resentfully as if the walls here to not appreciate having the dead brought backstage at the macabre show that the catacombs had been made into. In the silver light of your friend's soul three strangers stand, slouch and sit: Maria Sanchez is a young woman whose face reminds you of the casts you had seen of ancient Mayan temple walls marred by a vicious knotted slash of her death wound, lightning or fire, though it does little to detract from the attention with which she follows you around the sparse room. Albert Walpole on the other hand is a well-named beanpole of a man, maybe as much as a decade older than you, though it's hard to tell with how he's slouching. He seems embarrassed to be dead, or maybe to have been snared by the conspiracy to begin with. Either way it's hard to focus on his mumbled greeting when the last of the fallen, one Anurak Liu can't stop asking questions about everything from their present state, to the battle to who the two of you are, faster than Lydia can answer. To be fair he is a wizard.

"My name is Molly Carpenter and I run an afterlife..." People have an inclination to make light of death almost equal to their fear of it, perhaps because of their fear of it. Today you learn that is true on both sides of death. All three of them laugh.

As you explain, as best you can your hopes for incarnating them, if not though the natural processes of the Wheel, Sanctuary had never seen an unquiet spirit, there's no telling how it would react, then though techno-sorcerous integration. When you come right down to it a spirit is a spirit and the human form isn't that hard to mimic with bio-mechanical parts, like building implants, only more of them and without having to implant them into anything, crossed with the construction of something like a War Weaver.

"Excuse me, what would be owe you for our new lease of life assuming you can manage it?" Liu asks, a sharper question than those before.

"Could we return to Earth, would the Council be informed of what's become of us? Some of us have families?" Sanchez asked... and that is when you remembered where you had heard that name before, one of the three unintended warlocks had been 'Carmen Sanchez'. From the relative ages you guess sisters or cousins. Maybe she's even the reason why the woman in front of you is a ghost. What a mess... what a sad sorry mess.

Can I make it better? The question and the dangers is presents taunt you.

[] They may come and go as they please, you'll smooth things out with the council as soon as you know if this will work

[] Given all the other offers you have to make to the White Council it would be best not to share this for the time being

[] Write in


OOC: And we are back. Enjoy guys
 
[X] They may come and go as they please, you'll smooth things out with the council as soon as you know if this will work

I am interested in soft power and informal debts much more than I am in short term gains here. I want to establish Molly as the primary afterlife provider for wizards.
 
I am interested in soft power and informal debts much more than I am in short term gains here. I want to establish Molly as the primary afterlife provider for wizards.

If we're a Yama King, we may be able to engage in Soul Commerce with them and given Investments in return for their soul being 'condemned' to our Hell.
 
Wouldn't they be a security risk if they're coming to and from? They're in this mess to begin with because they were compromised and manipulated.

I thought the idea was to bring them back with the Wheel then drop them off on Earth.
 
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Wouldn't they be a security risk if they're coming to and from? They're in this mess to begin with because they were compromised and manipulated.

I thought the idea was to bring them back with the Wheel then drop them off on Earth.
We need to normalize our Hell regardless. They are less of a security risk than the open portal to Mexico.

If we can convince the council that we are a "necromancy free" way to save wizards who died in the line of duty it would make them highly inclined to consider us Very Normal, as motivated reasoning tends to do.
 
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They want to know if they come with us will they be allowed to leave.
@DragonParadox I want to avoid the confusion that happened with the last vote.

If people vote for the "go to and from as they please" vote would that be saying after they're brought back we drop them off on earth or is that saying Molly will ferry them around from and to Sanctuary as they ask?
 
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If we're a Yama King, we may be able to engage in Soul Commerce with them and given Investments in return for their soul being 'condemned' to our Hell.
True. But we need to establish trust first. And be upfront abiut our deals.
We need to normalize our Hell regardless. They are less of a security risk than the open portal to Mexico.
Being known as a working and safe "get out of death" service will motivate wizards to help keep any portal from Sanctuary very, very safe. And death becoming a revolving door for allied wizardkind will tip the political balance a lot.

EDIT: Essentially, long-term Molly being "death insurance" which sells the, well, insurance against permanent death as a subscription service, is a good idea, I think, that makes her very important to her clients.
 
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@DragonParadox I want to avoid the confusion that happened with the last vote.

If people vote for the "go to and from as they please" vote would that be saying after they're brought back we drop them off on earth or is that saying Molly will ferry them around from and to Sanctuary as they ask?

It means they will be allowed to return to Earth and then be allowed back to sanctuary as is reasonable. Molly isn't a taxi, but if they have a decent reason they need to return (judged by you guys) she will take them.
 
[X] They may come and go as they please, you'll smooth things out with the council as soon as you know if this will work

Let them teach the moths to SEE in exchange for resurrection
 
[X] They may come and go as they please, you'll smooth things out with the council as soon as you know if this will work

@DragonParadox, what exactly does it mean if we tell them they can come and go as they please? Seems fairly open-ended, considering Molly is the only way to enter or exit Sanctuary, and giving that sort of free access isn't just a security hazard, but also potentially very inconvenient.

EDIT: Oops, didn't realize the question had already been asked and answered. Sorry, DP, that's what I get for answering the door before hitting the Save button. :oops:
 
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It means they will be allowed to return to Earth and then be allowed back to sanctuary as is reasonable. Molly isn't a taxi, but if they have a decent reason they need to return (judged by you guys) she will take them.
So then that ISN'T a vote to commit to a long term security risk of ferrying random wizards who just got killed because they were mentally compromised, used by the enemy, or turned traitor to and from Sanctuary off-screen.

That's good. What a relief.
 
Essentially, the best analogy for this would be that wizards are combatants from an allied nation, who suffered a bad injury. Molly as a sovereign had of state with superior medical technology is offering to transport them to her nation so they can be healed. Once healed they'll be allowed to leave. Afterwards, they'll need to apply for visas as normal, with no preferential treatment. @DragonParadox is that a correct analogy?
 
True. But we need to establish trust first. And be upfront abiut our deals.

Being known as a working and safe "get out of death" service will motivate wizards to help keep any portal from Sanctuary very, very safe. And death becoming a revolving door for allied wizardkind will tip the political balance a lot.

EDIT: Essentially, long-term Molly being "death insurance" which sells the, well, insurance against permanent death as a subscription service, is a good idea, I think, that makes her very important to her clients.
It's not exactly insurance. Fairly sure that we need a ghost to work with which most people don't leave behind. Also not sure if they will leave a ghost if they are already a CoD of our Kingdom.
 
[X] They may come and go as they please, you'll smooth things out with the council as soon as you know if this will work

We need to normalize our Hell regardless. They are less of a security risk than the open portal to Mexico.

If we can convince the council that we are a "necromancy free" way to save wizards who died in the line of duty it would make them highly inclined to consider us Very Normal, as motivated reasoning tends to do.

Truly, are not wizardly minds deserving of the title of The Wise?


WIZARD ONE: My brother, is the White Council under siege from the forces of Darkness? What fresh horror has the Red Court called down upon us this day?

WIZARD TWO: Oh, no, my good brother, that's our newest ally! Gestures at Molly, who is in Unbound Eschaton Shintai and burning with the fires that only illuminate enough of Kakuri to show you your death, as liquid nitrogen swims through the air and her soul crushes reality beneath its might.

W1: Her presence sunders the laws of mankind's world, and her soul sings of atrocity and carnage! The fires of her existence are dread and baleful, a nuclear cataclysm complete with miniature Godzillas, who appear to have plasma cannons!?!? Why do we allow this abomination into our halls!?!?

W2: You mean besides the friendly Godzilla Army?

W1: Friendly?!? Look at those teeth!

W2: They're friendly. She gives full healthcare. For free.

W1: …

W2: With. Dental.

W1: Hello, my Empress! What brings you to our branch of the Council today?
 
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@DragonParadox Another question please to be entirely clear here.

None of these people Molly is offering this to are True Magi right? None of them decided that working for the Outside or Peabody was a good idea and went into it eyes wide open right?
 
It's not exactly insurance. Fairly sure that we need a ghost to work with which most people don't leave behind. Also not sure if they will leave a ghost if they are already a CoD of our Kingdom.
I am fairly confident that Prayer Eating: Fulfill Prayer, possibly coupled with some manner of splendor or other exalted craft can ensure that one's afterlife is Molly's Kingdom. We'll need to check this, of course. That's why I called it a long-term plan.

And for VIPs with awakened essence we could go with VEE, with the service asked for being "survive for a year and a day". It has inbuilt subscription. Of course this would be billable. I think "donate one month of magical labor out of a year" would be more than generous. Because having wizards with awakened essence working for us in large numbers is awesome.
 
[X] They may come and go as they please, you'll smooth things out with the council as soon as you know if this will work
-[x][Stunt]"I'm not a taxi, but there is a portal between my kingdom and earth in Brazil."
 
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