Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Does this count as a new scene for the Urge even with Namshiel having triggered it earlier?
If it did, shintai would lapse, and so would our Perception buffs.
We really dont want it to because it would cost us a lot more to put it back up.
The QM is already being generous letting it continue.



Given how low you are not essence yes you would have to specify if you want to take the others with you via Sanctuary.
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[X] Go to Paris as you are the others need the help, your present form might cause some exposure, but it is night there as well. There can't be that many poeple out
-[X]Bring the war party: 2m


This is a straight social question.
If we dont want friendly wizards to spend half their time shooting at us instead of the actual hostiles, we should probably bring the war party.

Specifically, Morgan, Carlos and LaFortier have official positions on the Council roster to give commands.
 
Bringing senior council with us leaves pretty much no one to organize the aftermath / rally the people / handle the home base.
 
Yeah, I don't have a good expectation of the general competency of the White Council right now. 50/50 odds we show up to find the Merlin tripped and broke his neck at this point :V
 
[X] Using the current scene as a focus, ask "what has Thorned Namshiel learned from this encounter?"
[X] Go to Paris as you are the others need the help, your present form might cause some exposure, but it is night there as well. There can't be that many poeple out.

I'm going to vote for this and because I really hope we have fewer enemies because we can recharge our essence with MiM.

For me, our problem with low essence is mainly because of the promise we made to Charity (I don't remember why and I can't even find the chapter to look at, if anyone remembers can you please show me?) that people ask "should we use MiM or not?" all the time.

Yeah, I don't have a good expectation of the general competency of the White Council right now. 50/50 odds we show up to find the Merlin tripped and broke his neck at this point :V
I totally agree with you.

Isn't Ancient Mai still here?
And does she, as a member of the Council of Uselessness, have you confidence in solving things just on her own?
 
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Not in this case, he is already gone. If you had asked while Namshiel was still in front of you there might have been more details, but then he would have also been looking at you.

Thanks, though:
I may be reading too much into it but I think they more meant will this place still be a valid place to ask a question about Namshiel if we leave and for how long.

That is a good question too.

I will not drop the question from my vote anyway, because there is also the problem of remembering to actually ask the question, something I have no great faith on. I don't think we'll do it later if we don't now.
 
Yeah, I don't have a good expectation of the general competency of the White Council right now. 50/50 odds we show up to find the Merlin tripped and broke his neck at this point :V
Or he got mugged by a feisty Parisian street urchin who beat him over the head with a stale baguette.
 
Isn't Ancient Mai still here?
Ancient Mai is still here.
Thats why McCoy went to Paris; there was someone in authority.

Get the Merlin, McCoy and LaFortier in Paris, and they can hopefully present enough of a united front to convince any fence sitters and isolate the actual traitors.
If we go alone we are going to spend much of our time trying to convince friendlies not to shoot at us and our allies.

And there are people who will believe that McCoy and/or the Merlin have gone over to the other side.
 
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@Yog Maybe we should hold off on using Essence on the Crown right now? We can still ask the same question later using a recording. We won't even gain Essence from learning anything right now.
 
I'm sorry, but could you elaborate / explain? How would this work later? Would we need to come to the physical location to ask the question?

If you has asked the question while he was in front of you instead of fighting him or as a multiple action you would have gotten more info, though at the risk of him seeing what you are doing since he would also be looking at you.
 
@Yog Maybe we should hold off on using Essence on the Crown right now? We can still ask the same question later using a recording. We won't even gain Essence from learning anything right now.

Part of the problem with asking that is that we can never be sure that the voters will come back to it at any point.

Long terms plans aren't a quest's forte in general.
 
Solving what? In the very least the old wizard can keep the youngsters organized in our absence. She's been doing it so far.
Yes, she can, but that's the bare minimum, since the Halls' protections have been sabotaged in a way that has yet to be identified, and they are both understaffed and all of these guards are new.

There may be invasion attempts by different enemy forces, and I'd much rather have two of the Senior Council together to stop that until we get back over just one.
 
Yes, she can, but that's the bare minimum, since the Halls' protections have been sabotaged in a way that has yet to be identified, and they are both understaffed and all of these guards are new.

There may be invasion attempts by different enemy forces, and I'd much rather have two of the Senior Council together to stop that until we get back over just one.
The wards are clearly doing something as Namshiel had to be let in (according to Sophia) and he did portal out without using the NN which the wards are supposed to block. Though yeah if Hell can get summoned in here it's questionable whether or not we should leave just the one. This place isn't exactly secure right now.

Now I'm wondering where the Gatekeeper is and what Odin is doing.
 
Yes, she can, but that's the bare minimum, since the Halls' protections have been sabotaged in a way that has yet to be identified, and they are both understaffed and all of these guards are new.

There may be invasion attempts by different enemy forces, and I'd much rather have two of the Senior Council together to stop that until we get back over just one.
Its not the bare minimum.
Most of the time, most of the Council is not here; they are assets whose social links and abilities have to be exploited.
Martha Liberty and Listens To Wind arent here right now for a reason. Neither is the Gatekeeper.


What different enemy forces? Those things dont exactly spawn on trees, and anyone who is aware of the events is going to want to wait until the dust settles before deciding on whats left and if the situation is exploitable.
Furthermore, Paris is less than thirty minutes away by the NeverNever, and two minutes away by RVD.



The only defensible reason I can think of not to take LaFortier is if you are worried that he might still be vulnerable to the Hollow Man after Peabody fucked him up.
Thats a reasonable question to ask, IMO; I think he's combat worthy, but I can see why others might query.


However.
If you arent taking LaFortier, there's still no justifiable reason not to take Morgan and Team Morgan and Carlos.
The Deputy Warden Commander, a regional Warden commander, and three senior Wardens.

And one reason to take LaFortier is to keep him away from Peabody's cell.
 
He directly says that if anyone could craft items with demonic lore that it'd be Namshiel.
I think there are limits to his Omni-competence and that even if he is a good crafter it should be on mortal terms instead of rule breaking stuff like splendors. The whole point of the restrictions on the fallen is that they're limited to what can be done through a mortal.

If speaking six words gets a penalty applied by heaven then making actual angelic relics should do so as well, and personally I wouldn't get into an arts and crafts competition with the guy making a credible claim of having forged this iteration of reality.

On a more meta level that lore was bounced from the game for being too broken when we had the greatest opportunity to pick lores for Tiffany. Walking that back the opportunity has passed so an enemy can use it against seems pretty egregious to me.
 
He did get pretty lucky to not even get scratched, but Molly would have had to get pretty lucky to kill him in one hit. Overall I think the greatest danger to Namshiel would have been if he had failed the Willpower roll for the Sight. That would have caused him to stare in horror until the end of his turn and then he would have eaten a full line up of attacks from everyone but the ensnared wizards, then again that was also the most profitable action he did in the encounter so it balances out I think.
If he'd taken damage at all GSNF would have fed him 5 Agg right? We wasn't in beast mode so he probably only had 7 health boxes. Even 2 points of damage and he'd have exploded into a cloud of gore.
 
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