Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Again, i'm not saying he's not a strong wizard.That is the opposite of what i'm saying. He is unfortunately literally A D&D. Wizard, though, if you get him in melee and you have any level of skill, you will beat him in a fight. One because he can't kill humans with magic two because he's Actually terrible in a fistfight, despite being a giant.

Despite running up against humans up time and time again and needing to use spells that are really small. So he doesn't actually kill them. He has never invested any level of time in any combat skill, despite constantly involving himself in large scale combat that might involve humans and being a private investigator A profession known to sometimes have conflict He is still terrible At shooting and fistfighting, he got a sword when he became a warden, and he is still not particularly availed of it.

Again, I'm not saying he's not a strong wizard. It's the opposite of what i'm saying he just epitomizes the most unfortunate wizard stereotype imaginable, despite having the body type and the lifestyle that would almost thoroughly necessitate not being that way.
Eh. He isnt terrible in a fist fight; in the short story Heorot we have seen him win a 3 on 1 fight where he was ambushed by three mortals in an alley.And that was before he became Winter Knight, and Cast Fist became an actual tool in his arsenal against supernaturals.

Thing is, the primary antagonists in the setting here all have templates that give them physical advantages over humans and human supernaturals. You dont want to get into fisticuffs with a troll, or an ogre, or any species of vampire, or even a ghoul if you have any options. They are almost all better at it because they are born that way, or can heal from incidental damage easier; even a victory can easily leave you bleeding out on the floor.

Even for Wardens, swords are a backup, and the swords they carry have a magical use, not just a stabby one.

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[X] Plan: Flame and Fortune
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Cant see a reason to object currently.
Summoning/Warding/Binding, Hellfire and Fortune are the three most broadly applicable Paths for this scenario, and so the most likely to have been brought here. And Molly brought 3x specialists; two went with Sophia and Team B, one with Molly.

Im assuming the Summoning/Binding guy is with Molly, the one who helped banish the demon lord guy.
 
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He isnt terrible in a fist fight; in the short story Heorot we have seen him win 3 on 1 fights where he was ambushed by three mortals in an alley.And that was before he became Winter Knight, and Cast Fist became an actual tool in his arsenal against supernaturals.
He doesn't actually win that fight. He gets away uninjured, but so do the other parties that were assailing him and mouse helps him in the fight anyway. which means a giant man With a large stick and a big dog only managed to drive away three people and not even actually beat them in a fight. He won that altercation, though cause they were there to assault him and he got away unharmed. But that's not quite the same as winning a fistfight against 3 assailants by yourself.
 
Throughout Dresden files, this happens a lot. But Harry is the worst kind of wizard stereotype, despite being a real relative giant to most people And being in better shape than most people, he loses fistfights, gun fights any fight That isn't him using a spell Relatively often, he's a nerd.

He's not a glass canon By any stretch of the imagination, he can take a hell of a beating and he uses his giant frame to do exactly that. Despite being in fights with people he should have reach strength and possibly even speed because he's in better shape than them a lot of the time he only wins brawls against people that are like actually just to small or too injured.

You would think the doom of damocles, and just generally, everything that goes on in his life, he would pick some methodology of combat.That isn't magic to get better at in the Going on 20 years of his life that have involved being assaulted in a variety of ways To get better at but no, he's the worst kind of wizard stereotype.
I mean all wizards are by definition glass canons even ebenezer if he doesn't have his shield up could be killed by a single headshot.
 
Again, i'm not saying he's not a strong wizard.That is the opposite of what i'm saying. He is unfortunately literally A D&D. Wizard, though, if you get him in melee and you have any level of skill, you will beat him in a fight. One because he can't kill humans with magic two because he's Actually terrible in a fistfight, despite being a giant.

Despite running up against humans up time and time again and needing to use spells that are really small. So he doesn't actually kill them. He has never invested any level of time in any combat skill, despite constantly involving himself in large scale combat that might involve humans and being a private investigator A profession known to sometimes have conflict He is still terrible At shooting and fistfighting, he got a sword when he became a warden, and he is still not particularly availed of it.

Again, I'm not saying he's not a strong wizard. It's the opposite of what i'm saying he just epitomizes the most unfortunate wizard stereotype imaginable, despite having the body type and the lifestyle that would almost thoroughly necessitate not being that way.
I mean in fairness its not exactly much of a choice I've seen literally zero canon wizards who would win in a supernatural fight with their fists most wizards don't have punch magic of any notable level. Closest might be listens to winds with shapeshifting.

I mean I won't say it doesn't exist but its probably rare at least.
 
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I doubt it, like most supernaturals are just slightly superhuman things with tricks.

If the US army battalion for example had knowldge of what they were facing and at most a week to prepare they would have single handedly won battlground by themselves.
The Fomor had tactical stealthed constructs in the field. As, in, better than Predator stealth.
We see them used twice, almost killing Dresden(stopped by Odin's guards) and attacking Mab(stopped by Harry)
Literally the major tasking of the quarter of a million Little Folk that Harry called on was to neutralize those guys.


If the Fomor got the same week to prepare they would smash said US army battalion(or brigade, or division) into the ground like a boot stomping on a gecko.

With flying stealthed assassin beasts murdering their commanders and force multipliers, while an area of effect ritual is jamming their comms and fucking their technology?
Getting charged by a bunch of superhumans with energy weapons will shatter them like glass.

He doesn't actually win that fight. He gets away uninjured, but so do the other parties that were assailing him and mouse helps him in the fight anyway. which means a giant man With a large stick and a big dog only managed to drive away three people and not even actually beat them in a fight. He won that altercation, though cause they were there to assault him and he got away unharmed. But that's not quite the same as winning a fistfight against 3 assailants by yourself.
Nope, he doesnt get away uninjured, but he does win that fight comprehensively.
And thats despite Caine starting the fight by hitting him in the head with an improvised cosh:
I was so busy feeling damp and cold and self-conscious that I forgot to feel paranoid, and Caine came out of nowhere and swung something hard at my skull.
I turned my head and twitched sideways at the last second, taking the blow just to one side of the center of my forehead. There was a flash of light, and my legs went wobbly. I had time to watch Caine wind up again and saw that he was swinging a long, white, dirty athletic sock at me. He'd weighted one end with something, creating an improvised flail.

My hips bounced off a municipal trash can, and I got one arm between the flail and my face. The protective spells on my coat are good, but they're intended to protect me against gunfire and sharp, pointy things. The flail smashed into my right forearm. It went numb.
"So what, you steal my keg for Braddock, so his homo-bee cinnamon crap would win the division? I'm gonna take it out of your ass."
And with that pleasant mental image, Caine wound up again with that flail.
He'd made a mistake, though, pausing to get in a little dialogue like that. If he'd hit me again, immediately, he probably could have beaten me unconscious in short order. He hadn't hesitated long—but it had been long enough for me to pull my thoughts together. As he came in swinging, I snapped the lower end of my heavy staff into a rising quarter spin, right into his testicles. The thug's eyes snapped wide-open, and his mouth locked into a silent scream.
It's the little things in life you treasure.
Caine staggered and fell to one side, but one of the Cainettes came in hard behind him and pasted me in the mouth. By itself, I might have shrugged it off, but Caine had already rung my bells once. I went down to one knee and tried to figure out what was going on. Someone with big motorcycle boots kicked me in the guts. I fell to my back and drove a heel into his kneecap. There was a crackle and a pop, and he fell, howling.
The third guy had a tire iron. No time for magic—my damn eyes wouldn't focus, much less my thoughts. By some minor miracle, I caught the first two-handed swing on my staff.
And then two hundred pounds of wet dog slammed into Cainette Number Two's chest. Mouse didn't bite, presumably because there are some things even dogs won't put in their mouths. He just over-bore the thug and smashed him to the ground, pinning him there. The two of them thrashed around.
I got up just as Caine came back in, swinging his flail.
I don't think Caine knew much about quarterstaff fighting. Murphy had been teaching it to me, however, for almost four years. I got the staff up as Caine swung and intercepted the sock. The weighted end wrapped around my staff, and I jerked the weapon out of his hands with a sweeping twist. With the same motion, I brought the other end of the staff around and popped him in the noggin.
Caine flopped to the ground.
I stood there panting and leaning on my staff. Hey, I'd won a brawl. That generally didn't happen when I wasn't using magic. Mouse seemed fine, if occupied holding his thug down.
"Jerk," I muttered to the unconscious Caine, and kicked him lightly in the ribs. "I have no idea what happened to your freaking keg."
"Oh my," said a woman's voice from behind me. She spoke perfectly clear English, marked with an accent that sounded vaguely Germanic or maybe Scandinavian. "I have to admit, I didn't expect you'd do that well against them."
I turned slightly, so that I could keep the thugs in my peripheral vision, and shifted my grip on the staff as I faced the speaker.
She was a tall blonde, six feet or so, even in flat, practical shoes. Her tailored grey suit didn't quite hide an athlete's body, nor did it make her look any less feminine. She had ice blue eyes, a stark, attractive face, and she carried a duffel bag in her right hand. I recognized her. She was the supernatural security consultant to John Marcone, the kingpin of Chicago crime.
"Miss Gard, isn't it?" I asked her, panting.
She nodded. "Mr. Dresden."
Yes, Mouse took out one of the attackers, but Harry took two of them despite the fight starting with a sucker shot to the head with a solid object.

Sometimes I wonder if Harry is running an unconscious Better Body effect.
Because that first shot should have killed or crippled him.
 
I mean all wizards are by definition glass canons even ebenezer if he doesn't have his shield up could be killed by a single headshot.
I do get what you mean there but Harry survives being shot being repeatedly beaten with Crowbars set on fire and more things that I cannot remember off the top of my head, but are things that would definitely kill a normal person, just having any single one of them happen to them.

The fact this durability that he possessed before he became winter night only became more so means it's really hard to call him a glass canon, because he can just survive some crazy shit happening to his body. Up to and including his body being killed.
 
Nope, he doesnt get away uninjured, but he does win that fight comprehensively.
And thats despite Caine starting the fight by hitting him in the head with an improvised cosh:
I was so busy feeling damp and cold and self-conscious that I forgot to feel paranoid, and Caine came out of nowhere and swung something hard at my skull.
I turned my head and twitched sideways at the last second, taking the blow just to one side of the center of my forehead. There was a flash of light, and my legs went wobbly. I had time to watch Caine wind up again and saw that he was swinging a long, white, dirty athletic sock at me. He'd weighted one end with something, creating an improvised flail.

My hips bounced off a municipal trash can, and I got one arm between the flail and my face. The protective spells on my coat are good, but they're intended to protect me against gunfire and sharp, pointy things. The flail smashed into my right forearm. It went numb.
"So what, you steal my keg for Braddock, so his homo-bee cinnamon crap would win the division? I'm gonna take it out of your ass."
And with that pleasant mental image, Caine wound up again with that flail.
He'd made a mistake, though, pausing to get in a little dialogue like that. If he'd hit me again, immediately, he probably could have beaten me unconscious in short order. He hadn't hesitated long—but it had been long enough for me to pull my thoughts together. As he came in swinging, I snapped the lower end of my heavy staff into a rising quarter spin, right into his testicles. The thug's eyes snapped wide-open, and his mouth locked into a silent scream.
It's the little things in life you treasure.
Caine staggered and fell to one side, but one of the Cainettes came in hard behind him and pasted me in the mouth. By itself, I might have shrugged it off, but Caine had already rung my bells once. I went down to one knee and tried to figure out what was going on. Someone with big motorcycle boots kicked me in the guts. I fell to my back and drove a heel into his kneecap. There was a crackle and a pop, and he fell, howling.
The third guy had a tire iron. No time for magic—my damn eyes wouldn't focus, much less my thoughts. By some minor miracle, I caught the first two-handed swing on my staff.
And then two hundred pounds of wet dog slammed into Cainette Number Two's chest. Mouse didn't bite, presumably because there are some things even dogs won't put in their mouths. He just over-bore the thug and smashed him to the ground, pinning him there. The two of them thrashed around.
I got up just as Caine came back in, swinging his flail.
I don't think Caine knew much about quarterstaff fighting. Murphy had been teaching it to me, however, for almost four years. I got the staff up as Caine swung and intercepted the sock. The weighted end wrapped around my staff, and I jerked the weapon out of his hands with a sweeping twist. With the same motion, I brought the other end of the staff around and popped him in the noggin.
Caine flopped to the ground.
I stood there panting and leaning on my staff. Hey, I'd won a brawl. That generally didn't happen when I wasn't using magic. Mouse seemed fine, if occupied holding his thug down.
"Jerk," I muttered to the unconscious Caine, and kicked him lightly in the ribs. "I have no idea what happened to your freaking keg."
"Oh my," said a woman's voice from behind me. She spoke perfectly clear English, marked with an accent that sounded vaguely Germanic or maybe Scandinavian. "I have to admit, I didn't expect you'd do that well against them."
I turned slightly, so that I could keep the thugs in my peripheral vision, and shifted my grip on the staff as I faced the speaker.
She was a tall blonde, six feet or so, even in flat, practical shoes. Her tailored grey suit didn't quite hide an athlete's body, nor did it make her look any less feminine. She had ice blue eyes, a stark, attractive face, and she carried a duffel bag in her right hand. I recognized her. She was the supernatural security consultant to John Marcone, the kingpin of Chicago crime.
"Miss Gard, isn't it?" I asked her, panting.
She nodded. "Mr. Dresden."
Yes, Mouse took out one of the attackers, but Harry took two of them despite the fight starting with a sucker shot to the head with a solid object.

Sometimes I wonder if Harry is running an unconscious Better Body effect.
Because that first shot should have killed or crippled him.
I get what you were getting at, but that was one guy. He only beats one guy in there. The other one runs away also Dresden himself acknowledges the point I was making about how he doesn't usually win brawls without Magic.

Edit: Miss read Yeah, he gets a lucky shot off right in the guy's nuts and just breaks another dude's knee That's crazy. Though I hesitate to call that an exemplary performance by any stretch or being good in a fight, really, because that was a kind of cluster fluck, but not a bad showing by any stretch.
 
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I mean I won't say it doesn't exist but its probably rare at least.
Probably has to do with the fact that White Council grew out of the Roman school of magic. They were big on rituals, symbolism and all that stuff. And were veering into academic positions.

If they were instead based off ancient Greek philosophers things would probably be very different.
 
Probably has to do with the fact that White Council grew out of the Roman school of magic. They were big on rituals, symbolism and all that stuff. And were veering into academic positions.

If they were instead based off ancient Greek philosophers things would probably be very different.
maybe but I'm fairly sure its less school of magic and more individual talent how these things usually go. After all there isn't like a magic school for this shit and even doing similar types of magic in dresden files is heavily personalized.
 
maybe but I'm fairly sure its less school of magic and more individual talent how these things usually go. After all there isn't like a magic school for this shit and even doing similar types of magic in dresden files is heavily personalized.
I think what Acolyte is getting at there. Despite the romans having a strong militaristic bent in most of their society their Academic/occult Class was exactly that Newly completely divorced from the toil and general fitness for military service of the rest of roman society.

The Greeks, on the other hand fully believed in the gymnasium for everyone. Society philosophers, if you were a man under the age of fifty, you were in the gymnasium, working out while you were also being a academic. To the point where Plato one of the most famous philosophers, doesn't actually have a known name, he's just the Broad Shouldered, that is what his name means If he has another one, it is not known. The practice of going to the gymnasium, practicing your wrestling. Participating in the games generally being physically fit and active would extend to magic as a practice if they were of a greek tradition, rather than a roman one.

A lot more focus on life spells and mind spells to increase physical and Mental attributes and generally practice your skills would be a part of the traditions of the white council if they were of a greek bent rather than roman. Not to say high ritual would be absent. They would also just be in addition to, rather than pretty much the whole core of the practice of the white council.
 
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I think what Acolyte is getting at there. Despite the romans having a strong militaristic bent in most of their society their Academic/occult Class was exactly that Newly completely divorced from the toil and general fitness for military service of the rest of roman society.

The Greeks, on the other hand fully believed in the gymnasium for everyone. Society philosophers, if you were a man under the age of fifty, you were in the gymnasium, working out while you were also being a academic. To the point where Plato one of the most famous philosophers, doesn't actually have a known name, he's just the Broad Shouldered, that is what his name means If he has another one, it is not known. The practice of going to the gymnasium, practicing your wrestling. Participating in the games generally being physically fit and active would extend to magic as a practice if they were of a greek tradition, rather than a roman one.

A lot more focus on life spells and mind spells to increase physical and Mental attributes and generally practice your skills would be a part of the traditions of the white council if they were of a greek bent rather than roman. Not to say high ritual would be absent. They would also just be in addition to, rather than pretty much the whole core of the practice of the white council.
oh nah I get the idea I'm just saying the council isn't exactly a school at most there are apprenticeships and none of those are exactly great at teaching their own shit so much as getting their students to be competent. As magic is heavily personalized and talents don't give a shit about whose teaching you your talented with what your talented with. Some people with only a decade or two being a mage are far better in their specialties than 500 year old wizards will ever be in that area.
 
oh nah I get the idea I'm just saying the council isn't exactly a school at most there are apprenticeships and none of those are exactly great at teaching their own shit so much as getting their students to be competent. As magic is heavily personalized and talents don't give a shit about whose teaching you your talented with what your talented with. Some people with only a decade or two being a mage are far better in their specialties than 500 year old wizards will ever be in that area.
No, they are explicitly a roman tradition centered around high Ritual. Harry, despite being a evocation wizard to the core has a educational backing in spirit binding spirit talking in general ritual magics, including warding and skill. It's in that vein, and no combat, backing at all or physical athletics, training at all.

The white council, as a whole, very explicitly cleaves, to being a Roman descendant organization. Very specifically Training its membership in the styles of the western european magic tradition that they are descended from which is Roman.

They do have... not a Standardize education, but it is an education that follows a tradition that does not include life magic or really any magic that isn't high ritual or spirit before a student has to study and figure out the rest on their own. There is no real focus in their tradition of intertwining the body with magic, whether or not that would be anyone's Field of talent, it does not matter simply because the white counsel does not focus on it as a paradigm.
 
No, they are explicitly a roman tradition centered around high Ritual. Harry, despite being a evocation wizard to the core has a educational backing in spirit binding spirit talking in general ritual magics, including warding and skill. It's in that vein, and no combat, backing at all or physical athletics, training at all.

The white council, as a whole, very explicitly cleaves, to being a Roman descendant organization. Very specifically Training its membership in the styles of the western european magic tradition that they are descended from which is Roman.

They do have... not a Standardize education, but it is an education that follows a tradition that does not include life magic or really any magic that isn't high ritual or spirit before a student has to study and figure out the rest on their own. There is no real focus in their tradition of intertwining the body with magic, whether or not that would be anyone's Field of talent, it does not matter simply because the white counsel does not focus on it as a paradigm.
I feel being roman culture does not make them focused on those types of magics simply because we're not told this at all in canon and your just taking some of the stuff we've seen and saying thats what they do. Your trying to make a broader picture out of how things work without much actual basis. Magic in dresden files as far as we've seen barely even has paradigms the way people do even individual spells are not the same. I mean knowledge and history and specific rules are definitely more euro-centric I'll give you that for obvious reasons that their focused in primarily european areas. But its not like there is a schooling system here so much as a whole bunch of collected knowledge that people are fed over time and learn.
 
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Thanks. I am very tempted to go with Psychic vampirism instead of Hellfire, for the purpose of willpower drain, but Hellfire is probably more broadly useful here.
On that front, There is something of note that you can only take a single Level of willpower Per turn or only deals bashing damage. It is only using the highest level power that allows to target multiple opponents, and you would still need to use Lower level ones to initiate that multi targeting.
 
though this does bring the thought do we think a magic school of any significance has ever existed in this quest? Outside our hell. Like in human history I mean.
 
I feel being roman culture does not make them focused on those types of magics simply because we're not told this at all in canon and your just taking some of the stuff we've seen and saying thats what they do. Your trying to make a broader picture out of how things work without much actual basis. Magic in dresden files as far as we've seen barely even has paradigms the way people do even individual spells are not the same. I mean knowledge and history and specific rules are definitely more euro-centric I'll give you that for obvious reasons that their focused in primarily european areas. But its not like there is a schooling system here so much as a whole bunch of collected knowledge that people are fed over time and learn.
It's very explicit that magic definitively allows for multiple ways to skin a cat. Listens to Wind, he's not a Classically trained white council wizard and he possesses one of the most novel magics we see in the entire series of being able to come completely physically transform into Mythic animals, whether that'd be by scale or by strength or by speed. Ancient Mai very specifically not a classical white Council wizard possessing a novel form a magic that every other white council wizard We see does not possess in her Crafting of I don't want to say shikigami because she's supposed to be Chinese Though golem isn't quite right either.

I'm not trying to construct a narrative about how magic works. As a whole i'm Literally expressing the same sentiment as the books they do literally call themselves a eastern european magic tradition very specifically of the descent from rome. This isn't Me making any assumptions, it's just stuff that is in the story. The focus of the white council on high ritual and near complete abandonment of mind and life magic, all cannon. So I don't quite get what you're trying to get at there.

There very specifically is a schooling there. Though. Harry himself is a part of that schooling master to apprentice is a type of schooling and Harry himself. Despite being an evocation wizard is classically trained Both by DuMorne and Ebenezer. So has a strong backing in high Ritual, warding spirit, binding And finally, the only one his talent is really centered on evocation with almost literally no training in anything else.
 
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It's very explicit that magic definitively allows for multiple ways to skin a cat. Listens to Wind, he's not a Classically trained white council wizard and he possesses one of the most novel magics we see in the entire series of being able to come completely physically transform into Mythic animals, whether that'd be by scale or by strength or by speed. Ancient Mai very specifically, not a classical white Council wizard possessing a novel for a magic that every other white council wizard. We see it does not possess in her Crafting of I don't want to say shikigami because she's supposed to be Chinese Though golem isn't quite right either.

I'm not trying to construct a narrative about how magic works.As a whole i'm Literally expressing the same sentiment as the books they do literally call themselves a eastern european magic edition vary specifically of the descent from rome. This isn't Me making any assumptions, it's just stuff that is in the story. The focus of the white council on high ritual and mere complete abandonment of mind and life magic, all cannon. So I don't quite get what you're trying to get at there.

There very specifically is a schooling there. Though. Harry himself is a part of that schooling master to apprentice is a type of schooling and Harry himself. Despite being an evocation wizard is classically trained Both by DuMorne and Ebenezer. So has a strong backing in high Ritual, warding spirit, binding And finally, the only one his talent is really centered on evocation with almost literally no training in anything else.
I mean don't get me wrong I agree on them being a european well mostly they probably still have a hundred or so members a few hundred members outside of that sphere organization. Culturally, knowledge wise they learnt what was taught here. I'm making the claim that magic is stupidly individualized and while certain knowledge is taught this isn't harry potter where individual spells are learned or some shit like that you get told whats possible to some level and then ya practice it with whoever teaches you.

Also in fairness to ancient mai and listens to wind I'm sure part of that is lost knowledge or not spread out as much knowledge since historically the groups that knew stuff like that didn't grow, survive, or write as much. But I also assume some talents for magic are just rarer than others. I mean I doubt ectomancy is common even if there's probably a mage or two in the council with a talent for it.
 
I mean don't get me wrong I agree on them being a european well mostly they probably still have a hundred or so members a few hundred members outside of that sphere organization. Culturally, knowledge wise they learnt what was taught here. I'm making the claim that magic is stupidly individualized and while certain knowledge is taught this isn't harry potter where individual spells are learned or some shit like that you get told whats possible to some level and then ya practice it with whoever teaches you.

Also in fairness to ancient mai and listens to wind I'm sure part of that is lost knowledge or not spread out as much knowledge since historically the groups that knew stuff like that didn't grow, survive, or write as much. But I also assume some talents for magic are just rarer than others. I mean I doubt ectomancy is common even if there's probably a mage or two in the council with a talent for it.
There's a disconnect here.The white council isn't made of talents.It's made of full wizards. Harry, despite having very little training in ectomancy, is fully capable of creating a dark hollow to consume all the ectoplasm of every ghost in a large area. The difference between a full talent like Harry and a talent like an ectomancer who is only good for ectomancy is exactly the cut off between a wizard and a talent.

Wizards don't have any restrictions like that. They have magic they are better at but very few they are cannot do. That is what separates them from talents. While magic is individualized, what is taught, What works and how it works is not.

The white counsel's knowledge on magic works for every full wizard that is willing to devote the time to use it. It is not so individualized that They cannot learn from each other's books. The word of Kremler especially, is exactly about that. While the journey, every wizard goes on might be unique, their magic is not.

They're very specifically r spells that are taught by Their teachers, the language that is used to cast that particular spell may change, but it is the same spell.

There were unique talents or things like that. Especially in the form of Lucio, but that seems to be More like, there is no one with the knowledge and the particular skill set necessary to take her place rather than it is impossible for anyone to learn how how to make the swords. As enchanted items are all over the place in dresden files, and it just seems Strange that creating these swords would be a completely unique skill.
 
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There's a disconnect here.The white council isn't made of talents.It's made of full wizards. Harry, despite having very little training in ectomancy, is fully capable of creating a dark hollow to consume all the ectoplasm of every ghost in a large area. The difference between a full talent like Harry and a talent like an ectomancer who is only good for ectomancy is exactly the cut off between a wizard and a talent.

Wizards don't have any restrictions like that. They have magic they are better at but very few they are cannot do. That is what separates them from talents. While magic is individualized, what is taught, What works and how it works is not.

The white counsel's knowledge on magic works for every full wizard that is willing to devote the time to use it. It is not so individualized that They cannot learn from each other's books. The word of Kremler especially, is exactly about that. While the journey, every wizard goes on might be unique, their magic is not.

They're very specifically r spells that are taught by Their teachers, the language that is used to cast that particular spell may change, but it is the same spell.

There were unique talents or things like that. Especially in the form of Lucio, but that seems to be More like, there is no one with the knowledge and the particular skill set necessary to take her place rather than it is impossible for anyone to learn how how to make the swords. As enchanted items are all over the place in dresden files, and it just seems Strange that creating these swords would be a completely unique skill.
eh magic is belief based in dresden files to a large extent we're told this in universe at least a large part of why things like shield spells work is not learning THE shield spell people are learning to do a shield spell.
 
How many sorcerers do we have? Sorry, I don't remember.
Three total.

The original 10-man fire team was 5x War Weavers, 2x Hand Agents, 3x Sorcerers.
Team A, with Molly, has 1x Weaver and 1x Sorcerer.
Team B, with Lydia and Sophia, has 4x Weavers, and 2x Sorcerers.

Im not sure where the Hand Agents are.
Im assuming they are guardng the two wizard prisoners we captured, toilet girl and tower suicide guy.
 
I should probably note its actually noted harrys not actually that talented in evocation magic hes good at thaumaturgical magic.

Edit: Though honestly seeing things in canon harry seems great at it but wog and such and in universe notes so I dunno.
 
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