It mattered because unlike with say VED there is no way to direct the more morally questionable aspects of the charm only at enemies and I know SV enough that I really do not want to get into a morality debate about the nature of consciousness and what is and is not slavery
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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It mattered because unlike with say VED there is no way to direct the more morally questionable aspects of the charm only at enemies and I know SV enough that I really do not want to get into a morality debate about the nature of consciousness and what is and is not slavery
'Asleep' does not mean dead and neither does 'powerless', such a spirit would maintain continuity of consciousness. Smashing an object is not Spirit Killing, that is advanced and very spooky magic, doesn't matter how minor the spirit is.
I see. That makes sense from a practical standpoint I can't fault you for wanting to avoid censure.
Its still sad to me that Infernal stuff loses a little bit of flavour and the stor potential of potential abuses of power or the temptation thereof is shucked.
Now that would've been interesting. Mentored by Michael but having power like this, etc.
Be prepared for Crowned By Fury though, now that'll be mind control. And I don't agree that something being an enemy or not changes moral calculus.
I don't agree with the decision, but that's SV I guess.
Luckily we don't have Imbue Amalgam, though wouldnt making Arcana be the same as making a tool-race/slave as per the Primordials did, by this logic?
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I don't suppose you missed the part where DP said there was no additional danger to us in using the refluffed Charm? It was in large, bold letters.
If the QM says there is not an issue with it, that doesn't mean we have to be on the lookout for the rest of eternity just waiting for him to screw us over when we were least expecting it. It means the Charm works just like he said it does and we can move on from belaboring the issue to the point of absurdity.
Beings with Intellectus have better things to do than spam trivia questions at you.
And they'd have an easier time aiming the Intellectus at you, your house, your shirt.
Reminder that you could literally ask around dematerialized spirits to find out anything happening outside a secure threshold. Mortimer does it. Harry pays in pizza for it.
And if you have those powers you can just do psychometry on the object to get the same thing without a spirit.
All the spirit actually DOES is give the device the ability to resist.
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I was incorrect. They just kill their human and metis cubs.
Eating humans is a common if not universal practice among them. Litany or no litany. Apparently they even have rites for it.
I wouldn't be surprised if they eat them afterward though.
Arcana start off with base loyalty, but treat them bad enough and they will rebel... which is also like the what the Primordials did so in theme.
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note some intellectus is passive not active dude they just know ours is fairly unique as usually its just a you know or at least you know as it comes out. arguable if it'd work on us given they'd possibly have to understand our exalted spark or whatever and its not much of an issue when said beings with such wide ranging intellectus likely can't be active.
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When their is a clear and easy way to exploit something I can think up in 2 seconds. It will be used against us. I always assume that the enemies can be smart. They don't even have to be powerful minor talents in Dresden can pull this trick off.
They will rebel if their value system/programing is human centric, right?
Because some like the protoplasm butler that was an example or the more eldritch possibilities I can't really imagine it.
Since we're building from scratch not a natural being.
Except I have just been spending the last several pages explaining how I set up the world-building so that those 'exploits' are really nothing of the sort or they just don't work.
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hey dp just curious how much does usum know about the history of exalted?
I mean even Walter the slime had the demeanor of 'idealist'. Fail to live up to whatever those ideals are in front of him and he will rebel, though he will question you first, it's not just right to the pitchforks.
The changed charm has an easy exploit against us. if it not used against that means, our enemies are waiting to use it against us, or our enemies are to dumb to use it against us. And I refuse to assume enemies are dumb, because if they are their is no threat and we just win.
And anyone with paasive intellectus wouldn't need your phone to get the information.
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yes? I'm not even arguing against you or nothing its more a fact of the day thing I'm mentioning.
Depends on what the intellectus does, I guess.
As the Archive and Shagnasty demonstrate, some versions are specific. Or Demonreach only working on...demonreach..
If something had a Spirit Intellectus, or Demon Intellectus...
This is just for clarities' sake.
since the QM spoke, I am assuming QM Fiat It Just Works TM
And the QM has told you, repeatedly, that the threat you're imagining doesn't actually exist.
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I could see the mothers having intellectus for everything involving their court. God I could see just having intellectus yes as in omniscience bar maybe things of outside and a handful of other things. Mab could not saying she does have some limited form of intellectus it makes sense given she knew where dresdens corpse was since it was in darkness.
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It looks like it has an easy exploit until you consider the amount of power knowledge and skill it would take to perform that exploit. I explained what those limitations are and why a new made spirit would not do any better and in some cases marginally worse. If you still have questions I am of course open to answering them.
Even the master of the Wicked City does not have passive intelectus of where every single gnat of spite and static is and has been. It would drive him mad... or seeing as we are talking about a Yama King madder.
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is every single canon yama-king around?
They are not really relevant unless/until they show up in story so I would prefer not to give a definitive answer on that other than to say all the ones from the hells that give you charms are.
So! We need to do a new round of crafting:
1) An industrial-strength walk-in freezer. Strong enough to trigger Without Honor, Without Hope. With a smart door into which a demon can be put, to trigger Cracked Cell Circumvention.
2) In this environment craft a "craft assisting suit". Essentially a body glove that can be filled with liquid to trigger Charred Sinner renewal, and equipped with an upling to the internet / database of material science, a timer, and a variety of sensors (what we can make). Enough so that when infused with a demon, the demon could assist us by keeping tabs on various processes, link with any computerized equipment, and look up information on stuff from internet / patent databases. The suit should be electrically insulated, but not thermally insulated, so Without Honor, Without Hope can still trigger. The liquid should be chosen such that it won't freeze in the conditions of the freezer.
3) A second version of the industrial-strength walk-in freezer, probably focused on energy efficiency.
At this point we set up as good a crafting environment as currently possible, and got an assistant to help us in crafting (hopefully that'll be enough for a plus dice). From there, we'll need to redo what equipment we had. And also probably make ourselves a new cell phone.
1) An industrial-strength walk-in freezer. Strong enough to trigger Without Honor, Without Hope. With a smart door into which a demon can be put, to trigger Cracked Cell Circumvention.
2) In this environment craft a "craft assisting suit". Essentially a body glove that can be filled with liquid to trigger Charred Sinner renewal, and equipped with an upling to the internet / database of material science, a timer, and a variety of sensors (what we can make). Enough so that when infused with a demon, the demon could assist us by keeping tabs on various processes, link with any computerized equipment, and look up information on stuff from internet / patent databases. The suit should be electrically insulated, but not thermally insulated, so Without Honor, Without Hope can still trigger. The liquid should be chosen such that it won't freeze in the conditions of the freezer.
3) A second version of the industrial-strength walk-in freezer, probably focused on energy efficiency.
At this point we set up as good a crafting environment as currently possible, and got an assistant to help us in crafting (hopefully that'll be enough for a plus dice). From there, we'll need to redo what equipment we had. And also probably make ourselves a new cell phone.
While you can make all this stuff you are going to need actual money for the resources to craft it out of and given the floor-space you would need it might make sense to just buy a place to do all this in