BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Just to be sure, you're using the 'find in page' function to locate errors rather than skimming through the entire chapter right? I know not every browser has it but I've been assuming as much.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Yep, hence occasionally getting brand new and even sillier errors out of it.
I doubt it.
He would have made a bunch of Exigents of his own, and there is no evidence he did any such thing in the 50+ years after Arawn let him go.
I dont currently have the time to run that check.
And when you have a recording, like with your smartphone?
Speaking of which, I wonder if Will and Clippy, the cyberdevils in Molly's earbud and phone respectively, are feeling more than a little intimidated right now.
Demonreach is probably the brawniest spirit they have ever been around.
A recording can be used and indeed you have used one like this before.
They are, though that is tempered by having Molly around to hide behind.
Good night guys.
Also you might want to start thinking of level up options, we are very close to wrapping this up and it is the middle of the month exactly.
Also you might want to start thinking of level up options, we are very close to wrapping this up and it is the middle of the month exactly.
[X] Plan prevention
-[X] Using your Crown and this scene as a focus ask what the current escape and breakout plans in regards to the currently held prisoners are
-[X] Try to speak to one of the lesser prisoners, to get some idea what they are doing in here, you can give then a voice even though that
-[X] Using your Crown and this scene as a focus ask what the current escape and breakout plans in regards to the currently held prisoners are
-[X] Try to speak to one of the lesser prisoners, to get some idea what they are doing in here, you can give then a voice even though that
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Wait what is he talking about? You mean from E3 to E4?
1) Exigence requires more than knowledge, it requires a spark of divinity to be donated. Kemmler might have had access to imprisoned gods, but I'll note that for all he was evil, he didn't use Demonreach for Darkhallow or similar rituals. And outside of Demonreach, he might not have had access to appropriate divinities.
2) It depends on what he was going for, really. We don't know if Kemmler intended for Lydia to be born (personally, I suspect he did, but I'm not sure). If he didn't realize what could be made with the knowledge he gave Arawn, he would not have attempted to make others like Lydia
3) Making exalts is not the best of ideas if you are going for world domination. Exalts are hard to control.
I have more than one question that I feel are very important and need to be asked. So far we have the following foci:
1) The ritual implements Harry used to claim the island
2) The recording of the whole event
3) The current scene.
The scene I am using to check for current escape plans. The ritual implements I want to use to check the effects and consequences of becoming a Warden, such as possible properties, debts (in both directions), political ties, and magical geases that might or might not be a part of the station. The recording is either to further check for current plots against Demonreach, or to check some of the history of it.
I have a lot of concerns.
Counter-spelling, Eschaton Shintai (I'll try and put out a design soon), possibly Ox body (not sure how much of it we need). Further Sanctuary charms, if we can afford them (we should probably spend some time going over them in more detail - we haven't used Digital Possession Management yet, so there's still a window of opportunity to tweak the costs for storage - I think there were quite insightful concerns about it, for example).
For perfect attacks or attack-like effects we only have Sinner Boiling Stare. We have a number of defenses, but I'm not sure how much we need them. We have rarely, if ever, been truly threatened in combat. And Eschaton Shintai gives us a wholly new health track.
Get the City Still Stands, we don't need to sacrifice a clone to self-resurrect.
fictionfan
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I mentioned it before, but it was a long shot hypnotical before this update.
The Infernal consecrates a pit with the torturous and transformative powers of Hell. Once the consecration is complete, the pit writhes with demon maggots. Those she casts into the pit are faced with a choice: willingly become the Infernal's creature, or die.
System: This Charm first requires the Infernal to dig a pit within a place of desolation (defined as a place where Survival rolls are at least difficulty 8, or where most of the inhabitants feel despair at the state of their lives). She can dig it by hand, or else let creatures of darkness created by Maggot Mana Plague do the labor at her behest. Then, she spends 10 Essence to fill the pit with writhing, seething maggots conjured from the Hell of Burrowing Maggots. Thereafter, anyone cast into the pit understands that they face a choice: they may either give themselves body and soul to the pit's master, or face the voracious jaws of the maggots. Those who choose the maggots suffer three levels of lethal damage per turn spent in the pit, and if slain by the maggots, their soul is consigned to the Hell of Burrowing Maggots. Those who give themselves to the Infernal… are still devoured by the maggots, which swarm into the target's flesh, consuming and excreting her transformed substance back into place with such agonizing speed and deftness that she lives through the process. When they recede and permit her to crawl from the pit, she does so as a bakemono – a sort of monster that shapeshifters know asfomori. Rules for fomori can be found on pages 428-439 of W20. Bakemono created with this Charm inevitably suffer from a derangement that fills them withparalyzing terror at the thought of disobeying the Infernal, increasing the difficulty of all actions undertakenwhile betraying or opposing her by two.If the Infernal casts a being into the pit that is forwhatever reason incapable of becoming a bakemono(such as one of the Solar Exalted), they receive nochoice: the maggots simply seek to swarm and devour
System: This Charm first requires the Infernal to dig a pit within a place of desolation (defined as a place where Survival rolls are at least difficulty 8, or where most of the inhabitants feel despair at the state of their lives). She can dig it by hand, or else let creatures of darkness created by Maggot Mana Plague do the labor at her behest. Then, she spends 10 Essence to fill the pit with writhing, seething maggots conjured from the Hell of Burrowing Maggots. Thereafter, anyone cast into the pit understands that they face a choice: they may either give themselves body and soul to the pit's master, or face the voracious jaws of the maggots. Those who choose the maggots suffer three levels of lethal damage per turn spent in the pit, and if slain by the maggots, their soul is consigned to the Hell of Burrowing Maggots. Those who give themselves to the Infernal… are still devoured by the maggots, which swarm into the target's flesh, consuming and excreting her transformed substance back into place with such agonizing speed and deftness that she lives through the process. When they recede and permit her to crawl from the pit, she does so as a bakemono – a sort of monster that shapeshifters know asfomori. Rules for fomori can be found on pages 428-439 of W20. Bakemono created with this Charm inevitably suffer from a derangement that fills them withparalyzing terror at the thought of disobeying the Infernal, increasing the difficulty of all actions undertakenwhile betraying or opposing her by two.If the Infernal casts a being into the pit that is forwhatever reason incapable of becoming a bakemono(such as one of the Solar Exalted), they receive nochoice: the maggots simply seek to swarm and devour
@DragonParadox : Is it fair to say that any creature that comes out the the pit a bakemono counts as a Lesser COD for the purposes of Demonic Primacy of Essence? It doesn't matter how powerful they are they are still worms under our feet.
Edit : Nevermind obviously yes "Jaggling or Gaffling-level Banes and all fomori are always lesser beings" -DPoE
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Thinking on it could we not just use random things from the island as Crown foci for the island? Like rocks or blades of grass? It doesn't seem required that we actually use the Crown while on the island.
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1) Kemmler had access to gods and the children of gods as followers and allies.
We even see one of them in canon post-Battle Grounds in the short story The Law.
2)Credit for Lydia's birth is not plausible IMO.
And I find it hard to believe that he would give away stuff without knowing what; man was a competent wizard, and in doing so still managed to give Arawn something that made him vulnerable to necromancy/necromancers.
3) Controlling Exalts is hard.
Getting their loyalty is no harder than getting the loyalty of most mortals, as the Prefect of Paragon can attest. And say what you will about Kemmler, but he exhibited a startling ability to hold the loyalties of a disparate bunch of people.
If he could make Exigents, I cant think of any reason he wouldnt have made them.
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Few of the questions frankly are pressing right now.
Escape plans is a waste of a question. They've been here for centuries, if not millenia, with nothing to do besides plot for those who are conscious; of course they have escape plans. Viable escape plans is quite another matter, and given that Odin outright stated there was a self-destruct in the event of a breakout, largely useless.
None of the rest is relevant.
Any plans against Demonreach will change as soon as people figure out that it has a new Warden.
You're asking questions that will only be of historical interest.
I want the Unbound Eschaton Shintai and the 2nd Signature Charm pick that comes with it, because that is the single greatest expansion of combat ability available, but Im not sure I want to do the argument about that right now. And I dont think Molly needs it next month, since Peabody is the primary issue on our to-do list.
There's also a bunch of essential charms we havent bought
ESSENTIAL
Our antipoison charm: Fathomless Poison Haven: 8XP
Our ranged attack charm: Sandstrike Blast: 8XP
Our extra life charm: The City Still Stands: 15xp
Extra Essence regeneration charm: Violence is Worship: 12xp
WANT
(Nuclear) weapon charm: Principle Invoking Onslaught: 12XP
Armykiller charm(s): All-Devouring Depths and World-Grinding Devastation: 20xp
OPTIONAL
Hell of Seven Burning Seas charmset
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We probably want Ox-Body as well, because its one of those charms that affects all of Molly's clones as well as herself.
The Shih Arts havent finished training, so not an option right now.
All the clones I designed have a teleport, and CCC is active for them.
We need to learn Fortune Path as well so they can get the Death Curse functionality as well, but just starting out they are very, very hard to capture or hold short of act of QM.
Sandstrike Blast's secondary mode appears to be a perfect attack.
There's no aim or attack roll involved, just spend 1 Essence and deal 10 Damage to everyone in the area of effect. Including yourself, if you arent careful. Its just soakable, unlike Sinner Boiling Stare which is not soakable and only affects one person.
Sandstrike Blast: Perfect hit, area of effect damage, can be soaked
Sinner Boiling Stare: Perfect hit, single target, cannot be soaked.
This is actually a pretty reasonable idea IMO, for the genius loci of the island.
Take a chip from the tower, or a stone from the hill.
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I always got the impression that it was designed with the hope that the prisoners would turn away from the evil they were locked up for. Not any sort of expectation that it would happen, but a hope and opportunity.
Locking them in there forces them to confront all of the pain that they have caused others, the whole place is designed to make you think about what you've done, the Warden can speak to and release prisoners, and having been the caretaker of Amoracchius back when it was known as Excalibur and supposedly a scion of something dark would give Merlin reason to understand redemption and rising above darker impulses.
I was really hoping for her to become the Warden, but then Harry nearly got himself killed trying to say hi.
As I recall, Butcher said that the Darkhallow as originally designed by Kemmler was supposed to use Demonreach. What we saw in canon was a next best option because the White Council was so determined to keep him from ever getting back to the island.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Yeah it doesn't violate any rules with foci. It just so happens that the Crown question target has an islands worth of Crown foci.
Karin isn't a wizard. She would've made a terrible Warden. She doesn't know how to use magic nor does she have a wizard tier gift for it. Being Warden of Demonreach also makes you a target. She very likely wouldn't have been approved of by Alfred meanwhile Dresden has been described as one of the top 50 wizards by Butcher.
Anyway I don't want to risk exposing the Crown to Demonreach since the best way to keep a secret is to not expose it to people who can probably sense it in this case with island wide intellectus.
We can just use Crown foci from the island like rocks or blades of grass no reason to possibly reveal the Crown to yet another person.
[X] Try to speak to one of the lesser prisoners, to get some idea what they are doing in here, you can give then a voice even though that
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I'm inherently biased on this in that I think Exigents themselves are terminally stupid and make as much sense as the Yu-Gi-Oh anime, but even in their context some necromancer making one by studying celestials is ridiculous.
Yeah Kemmler's a big deal, but only small town mayor big deal on this scale. Making the exalted was the pinnacle of the first and greatest craftsman to ever exist's work. Other primordial creator gods under the threat of death and mutilation couldn't match Autochthon in this.
Breaking that lessens the setting in all kinds of ways and encourages the bad sort of power creep.
Yeah Kemmler's a big deal, but only small town mayor big deal on this scale. Making the exalted was the pinnacle of the first and greatest craftsman to ever exist's work. Other primordial creator gods under the threat of death and mutilation couldn't match Autochthon in this.
Breaking that lessens the setting in all kinds of ways and encourages the bad sort of power creep.
Dmol8
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We've had this discussion before. I don't know if I participated back then, but my two cents on this specific option is that it has multiple problems:
- Morally speaking this would meant that Molly is willing to put a magical gun to people's heads to enslave them and then use them as Magical Manchurian Agents.
- Ethically speaking this would mean leaving at least one place in the world as capital B Bad. Either we leave a city/village in utter misery so we could use this skill/spell/charm or we leave a place of nature so dangerous/hazardous to human life that the results are the same: People will die even when we don't use this skill/spell/charm.
- The skill/spell/charm itself's description marks it as Poisoning/Witchcraft/Sorcery in at least Christian if not Abrahamic conceptualization of such matters. We might lose Michael and the White God's favor in general just by using that skill/spell/charm.
Any of these three reasons on their own would be enough for Molly as we have been playing her this entire quest to never use Spawning Pit Sanctification (••••).
fictionfan
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Demonreach itself should be a place of desolation unless you don't think that the prisoners feel despair at the state of their lives?
Also don't care about them and in general they have negative moral weight.
Also don't care about them and in general they have negative moral weight.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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Deamonreach itself is a Place of Desolation because Kemmler made it so:
As such we should be working on healing Demonreach from the damage Kemmler inflicted on it, the humans were there for a reason originally, and not exploiting it to fester the wound in the spiritual makeup of the island so we could spam Manchurian Agents.
And your argument only addresses the Ethical problem with using Spawning Pit Sanctification (••••) not the Moral one or the Poisoning/Witchcraft/Sorcery one.