Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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Ones that are meaningful to her life yeah, if she bumped into a white court vampire last week or the neighbor across the street is a pyrokinetic and she says high to them every day but otherwise ignores them than would not register, but it would also give less focus on her family because you broadened the question. It's like the Gorfel trade off.
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By the way in character not interested in the answer. But, ooc what are the limits about asking for ancestry cause obviously there are limits. Otherwise we'd go back all the way to quest equivalent Adam and eve or even further though honestly in quest plenty of lineages have probably been completely annihilated. Original humans might even be literal species ago in quest like bronze age humans, gold age humans, us, etc etc not even counting supernatural lineages added into the blood over time.
The first limit is what Molly would consider relevant in the social and historical context she lives in, so if she asked about her father the fact that he is related to Charlemagne is relevant but the ling list of people between the last unacknowledged noble bastard and her is not.
The second limit assuming she said 'tell me who everyone in X lineage is' is that they have to posses names, so it will go down the line of humans then hominids until it finds the first one who has what a modern human would think of as a name, which is to say a word that is descriptive for them.
[X] Just go out and have fun
-[X] Take Lydia to an arcade where she can play some video games, against people and machines. And Daniel can try to win her a prize.
-[X] Stunt: Steer the group to machines and games which could surreptitiously reveal whether or not Lydia possesses unusual or even superhuman physical skills and attributes such as speed, strength, dexterity, etc.
Changing vote.
-[X] Take Lydia to an arcade where she can play some video games, against people and machines. And Daniel can try to win her a prize.
-[X] Stunt: Steer the group to machines and games which could surreptitiously reveal whether or not Lydia possesses unusual or even superhuman physical skills and attributes such as speed, strength, dexterity, etc.
Changing vote.
But if she is innocent and continues to hang with us she's at a decent chance of getting kidnapped, and it'd be pretty awkward to have already blown our chance to find her easily.
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We have plenty of ways to deal with that whether with normal investigation, other powers we have, or using other things as the focus of the question. Also a bit of fear mongering there will never be a perfect time for questions.
Edit: Heck easy solution go to her house, go to her room, ask the room where is the location of all the clothes that have been removed from this room today. We now know where the clothes she is presumably still wearing are also you know the clothes they might of put in the laundry room this is why I said all though. If you know where they were kidnapped asked where the kidnappers who were recently in this room are.
[X] Ask a question of your Crown
-[X] What is Lydia's lineage?
[X] Just go out and have fun
-[X] Take Lydia to an arcade where she can play some video games, against people and machines. And Daniel can try to win her a prize.
-[X] Stunt: Steer the group to machines and games which could surreptitiously reveal whether or not Lydia possesses unusual or even superhuman physical skills and attributes such as speed, strength, dexterity, etc.
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[X] Ask a question of your Crown
-[X] What is Lydia's lineage?
[X] Just go out and have fun
-[X] Take Lydia to an arcade where she can play some video games, against people and machines. And Daniel can try to win her a prize.
-[X] Stunt: Steer the group to machines and games which could surreptitiously reveal whether or not Lydia possesses unusual or even superhuman physical skills and attributes such as speed, strength, dexterity, etc.
-[X] What is Lydia's lineage?
[X] Just go out and have fun
-[X] Take Lydia to an arcade where she can play some video games, against people and machines. And Daniel can try to win her a prize.
-[X] Stunt: Steer the group to machines and games which could surreptitiously reveal whether or not Lydia possesses unusual or even superhuman physical skills and attributes such as speed, strength, dexterity, etc.
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The kidnap question is one I thought of and honestly has so many fixes. If anything left behind use that to find them, if not then go to their house and ask whaT I just said, if not that if we have anyone to interrogate then use them for crown questions, we will definitely have more powers for this in the future as well. Kidnapping is so far from a concern for me once their kidnapped I'm more worried they have a time limit until they die not finding them hiding from us is stupid hard.
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[X] Ask a question of your Crown
-[X] What is Lydia's lineage?
what's the point of awesome supernatural power if we don't use it? Plus this feels like exactly the reason Molly took this crown right? To never allow ignorance of a danger to bring harm ever again.
-[X] What is Lydia's lineage?
what's the point of awesome supernatural power if we don't use it? Plus this feels like exactly the reason Molly took this crown right? To never allow ignorance of a danger to bring harm ever again.
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Yeah being honest it's not too intrusive a question and if we wait we are waiting until there actually is a problem.
OctarineShrike
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Lydia's lineage doesn't actually address our concerns. It says nothing about whether or not her goals or her family's goals will bring anyone we care about to harm.
[X] Ask a question of your Crown
-[X] What is Lydia's lineage?
[X] Just go out and have fun
-[X] Take Lydia to an arcade where she can play some video games, against people and machines. And Daniel can try to win her a prize.
-[X] Stunt: Steer the group to machines and games which could surreptitiously reveal whether or not Lydia possesses unusual or even superhuman physical skills and attributes such as speed, strength, dexterity, etc.
Lydia definitely has something supernatural in her life, and the point of us taking the crown was a desire to never be ignorant again, so I'm willing to burn a use here. Honestly the most amusing part of this for me is that between her looks and her backstory it would appear as if someone took a Sadie Kane expy, but gave her Carter Kane's backstory. It's a shame we aren't a few years in the future to comment on that fact.
-[X] What is Lydia's lineage?
[X] Just go out and have fun
-[X] Take Lydia to an arcade where she can play some video games, against people and machines. And Daniel can try to win her a prize.
-[X] Stunt: Steer the group to machines and games which could surreptitiously reveal whether or not Lydia possesses unusual or even superhuman physical skills and attributes such as speed, strength, dexterity, etc.
Lydia definitely has something supernatural in her life, and the point of us taking the crown was a desire to never be ignorant again, so I'm willing to burn a use here. Honestly the most amusing part of this for me is that between her looks and her backstory it would appear as if someone took a Sadie Kane expy, but gave her Carter Kane's backstory. It's a shame we aren't a few years in the future to comment on that fact.
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[X] Ask a question of your Crown
-[x] What are Lydias intentions for Daniel Carpenter?
[X] Just go out and have fun
-[X] Take Lydia to an arcade where she can play some video games, against people and machines. And Daniel can try to win her a prize.
-[x] What are Lydias intentions for Daniel Carpenter?
[X] Just go out and have fun
-[X] Take Lydia to an arcade where she can play some video games, against people and machines. And Daniel can try to win her a prize.
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it leads us to questions we can actually ask though and we certainly aren't getting those goals by just waiting for it to come up either.
Edit: Plus her personal intentions matter less to me than what we can potential suspect of her and her extended family in the future.
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OctarineShrike
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"What are Lydia's Intentions for Daniel Carpenter?" Cuts to the heart of the issue, rules out her involvement in any schemes of her family members, etc. We can just relax and have fun if the crown verifies she has no malicious intent towards our brother or is using him as way to get to Michael or something.
COMMENTARY
Note that in general, we're assuming that Lydia is telling the truth here. Its entirely possible she could be lying, or being incomplete
That said, lemme run down a couple things:
-Moving almost every term would mean that they change address every four months?
They're running from something or someone. Or there's some sort of compulsion that he's under. And they are wealthy enough to afford to move that frequently. Either way, Lydia isnt telling the whole story here.
-Foreigner who speaks five languages: English, French, Italian, Sicilian, Latin.
No Spanish or Portugese. That means she hasnt been in Latin America, so no obvious Red Court exposure. So they have been knocking around Europe, mostly.
And speaking 5x languages at 16 or less means either focused(and expensove) effort, or she has a gift.
Or Gift.
-He used to be really protective suggests he isnt as protective any longer.
Which means something has changed. And adolescence is when a lot of significant things for supernaturals happen, from sex for White Court vampires to magic awakening for wizards, to changelings beginning to come into their power.
-A man too protective to allow sleepovers doesnt change or get more liberal as the kid enters adolesence.
And not allowing girl sleepovers would suggest a reluctance to allow male sleepovers. The fact that he allowed Daniel to sleep over(and yes, he knew, if he's paying for security) means that he has probably taken a look at who Daniel is.
If you're throwing down thousands of dollars on bodyguards, you can afford hundreds on a PI.
-Bodyguards in the United States means they're rich.Obscenely rich. According to the first entry on Google:
A 24/7 security detail for one person will run you around half a mill just for one agent, and if you're serious about security you have at least 2 at a time. Dropping that much just on your daughters personal security speaks volumes both about the money you have and the perceived threat. Or that you have the connections to demand that someone give you bodyguards.
It also means there is someone, or a team of someones, following Lydia right now that we havent seen.
-The Darkhallow was October 31 last year.
November would suggest arriving shortly afterwards. Rules out being Kemmlerites, since they'd have all cleared out. It rules out being Denarian, since Michael would presumably have gotten a headsup if there had been Denarians in town that long.
Could still be organized crime.
-Big, multilingual library. So probably not the Mafia.
French, Italian, Sicilian, Latin, Old Welsh. No Spanish, no Portugese, no German, no Polish, no Russian, no Norse. The first four in isolation suggest an association with the Catholic church. All five suggests Fae ancestry or wizard ancestry; a lot of the White Council's early history is wrapped up in the Roman Empire and Celtic mythology.
Could also be Venatori; there's open alliances between the Venatori, the Church and the White Council, and a very hidden connection between the true Venatori and House Raith.
-The fact that she was allowed to participate in Nativity Plays suggests we're not dealing with vampire ancestry.
No Red Court, no White Court. Black Court dont do kids, besides maybe Drakul.
Nothing in the history profile suggests Jade Court either.
-The father has been urging self defense training but not mandating it.
Which suggests perception of a potential longterm threat, but not a shortterm one.
Thats an interesting datum, when combined with his recent reduced protectiveness.
-What kind of "investment banker" is wealthy enough to afford hundreds of thousands of dollars for bodyguards for their kid, has them so sheltered that they dont know how to use public transport, takes them to fancy cocktail parties but doesnt give them a videogame system or a cellphone in 2006?
A wizard.
An old, paranoid wizard with a distrust of modern technology, but who has had decades or centuries to benefit from compound interest and longterm investments.
With the mother out of the picture, I think Lydia's a wizard's child with a Sidhe coparent.
Whether its her father thats the wizard and her mother the Sidhe, or vice versa with Lydia as a baby wizard, I have no way of guessing from the evidence.
It sounds very much like how McCoy allegedly raised his daughter that made her rebel. And how DuMorne raised Dresden.
The history of moving around without an apparent permanent home base predates the beginning of the Vampire War, and suggests her dad is either running from something, or is under some sort of pressure to keep moving.
-Note that I said wizard.
Not White Council.
The last Summer Court Knight was a wizard but not a White Council member.
Might be able to possess the weapon after enchanting it.
Still, we'd have to invest 10XP for the spell.
Doesnt make any sense at the moment, compared to simply building one.
Or spending 2-3XP for Arsenal 1.
The wording of the charm says tainted or deadly water.
You know what is tainted or deadly water? Bathwater with bath soap in it. Bathwater with epsom salts in it. Bathwater with essential oils in it. Bathwater with shampoo and conditioner. Dishwater with dishsoap. There's a reason why all this stuff has to run through water purification plants before it gets discharged back into the environment.
Just have Molly run a normal bath with plenty of soap and bath oils and soak in it, instead of running a shower.
Should give her all the benefits.
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But, I don't personally care about her personal intentions shes not a threat as far as I can see. Her personal intentions we can get by knowing her for a while I am just trying not to be caught flatfooted. I won't exactly judge her even if shes related to a fucking demon I just want to know what we can expect. I also don't want to ask questions about her own thoughts cause those are personal as I've said several times and if we ask her intentions and she doesn't know her connections than that doesn't help protect against her family. Also what if her intentions are that she wants to fuck our brother thats obviously possible? Don't put that in mollys mind.
It has to be significantly poisonous, so very hazardous to ingest with a risk of death to a mortal. Note that the examples given are bleach and Pentex run-off, not things you normally want in contact with you as opposed to soap and water which are fine.
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Then ask about her family's goals? I'm not picky just opposed to the Lineage question as not actually doing anything assuming our first priority is to protect the people we care about.
I'd be just as happy with questions like
1. What "Deal" is Lydia's father looking to close?
2. Does Lydia's father possess malicious intentions towards anyone in my social circle?
The best reason I can think of to ask about her lineage is checking if her father is on the Gorfel list.
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All I can think about is Stolas talking to Blitzo over the phone.😂
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I mean the lineage allows us to know what to ask and general ideas of what they can do possibly multiple lines of questioning if she has multiple supernatural histories. Also if she doesn't know her heritage which would make sense for many wizards and fae scions since the former doesn't always pass down then it provides even more questions whether to her or ourselves. Now if she doesn't know her intentions aren't very important if she just thinks our brothers hot I'd look down on it a little peoples opinions change and relationships can be slow so not reason to judge. It doesn't really provide us with what we want to know though and thats what we can expect from the family.
Asking about her lineage seems a poor question. Given who Daniel is, even asking if her father poses a threat to our family seems a poor question. What we COULD ask is 'what danger does her father pose to her?'
That should reveal his motives and nature to a better degree than just a family tree.
It doesn't matter worth a damn if her dad is the Redcap and a loving dad who will give her away to Daniel happily. If he is an ogre who will eat his own offspring when they try to leave him that's a problem.
That should reveal his motives and nature to a better degree than just a family tree.
It doesn't matter worth a damn if her dad is the Redcap and a loving dad who will give her away to Daniel happily. If he is an ogre who will eat his own offspring when they try to leave him that's a problem.
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Maybe obviously too late though also lineage is not a poor question as its more an opening for what to think about and what to ask once we know her better. Funnily honestly if her dads a wizard we are actually the one they should be worried about not the other way around imagine we are the potentially bad influence not the other way around.
Quite frankly intentions change, she may not know her ancestry, and I don't see many situations where this leads to a fight of any kind. Lineage allows us to ask what can her family do, what are possible intentions, and actually what questions to ask them once we meet them instead of floundering around what we really want to know. Also her father could just be in the know and her mother could be the supernatural one.
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OctarineShrike
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Questions that seem like they're primed by data we have no reasonable basis to know accelerates the timeframe for our Intellectus becoming public knowledge.
It's like the Enigma program. Ultra.
The Allies resorted to significant shenanigans in WWII to coverup the fact they had broken Enigma, because if they made it known they had broken Enigma the Axis would use different encryption.
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I mean guessing wizard does not spread the idea of intellectus and what we do with said knowledge is our own choice. So no this isn't really a worry. also plenty of supernaturals can tell if something is a wizard or fae or at least guess reasonably so that doesn't shout intellectus.