Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

I don't think it's the case, but it'd be really funny if just this once ... Charity was lying and her objections have nothing to do with the danger bit and everything to do with the "unsupervised weekend with your girlfriend"
 
remind them that you can get back as fast as they can click play on the right song.
Can't we RVD back in minutes?


"No, you don't know and you should thank God that you do..."

"They went to Yomi Wan, to the Fortress of Perdition's edge to free a prisoner who had been chained there unfairly and loose hope upon that land."

Keen observer of Mom's moods that you are you're pretty sure those words in that tone are just the wrong thing to say. Three, two... You never get as far as 'one'.

"And that makes you want to go!" The windows are not actually vibrating in their frames you assure yourself, it just feels like it. "Don't you have a calculus test on Monday?"

You can't tell me there isn't a bowl of divine popcorn involved in this. Charity, a "normal" mortal raising her increasingly supernatural sprog to be good people with her native human abilities? An E4 exalt who considers winning an argument with her a bigger victory than twisting the head off an elder vamp?

If this hit the white god's ideals any harder he'd start sending her fanmail.
 
Well, to be fair, the White Council is Molly's ally, they officially exchange technology. I wonder how that affects their reputation.

But in general, we need to get together one day and try to collect rumors and news about Molly in order to assess her reputation.
Winter is the White Council's ally too. :V

Because we saw the setting from the eyes of a wizard and nothing like it was ever even implied? You're inventing a universal law where there wasn't one to solve a problem that already has an answer.
Could a system like the DF support such a change? Sure, maybe. It doesn't though.
We see the setting through the eyes of a baby wizard who is still missing fundamental information about how the setting works.

See how he only discovered that the Sight has precog functions in Small Favor, when he was in his 30s.
Or how he only realized that the Outer Gates were a real, physical place, with Gatekeeper being a literal position, when he came back from the dead in Cold Days.

Im not saying such a merit, as mechanically ree
I am asserting that something similar exists, whether its an internal edict, a declaration of the White God, or even Uriel specifically paying hostile attention to factions that tread that line.

Finally there are those arts that pass from light to grey almost to black. Yes Harry said I could talk about them... well OK he didn't say I couldn't talk about them. See what I mean about spirits? Anyway it isn't technically a breach of any of the laws to drain another's vitality in order to fortify one's own health, at least as long as the act does not go so far as to kill in an of itself. Still the Wardens have ever taken a dim view of such spells and those who practiced them.
Im assuming there's a reason why nobody simply buys pigs/goats/cattle and drain them for vitality before slaughtering them for meat.

If that's true we shouldn't take Tiffany she is significantly worse in a fight than Daniel is.
This is not true.
Tiffany's physical attributes are all at 5, and she can boost both her Mental and Physical to 10 for a scene.
Even with 0 in her abilities she'd still be rolling at least 10 dice in any physical or mental task she chose to put effort into.

AND she has an Apocalyptic Form.


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Lol. Unbreakable Charity rides again.

If Daniel had approached Molly for help BEFORE Charity made a declaration, I'd be all for helping him. But now that he went directly to her and failed that roll, Molly cant really intervene without giving the impression of undermining her. And this isnt important enough to challenge Charity's authority over. There will be other trips.

And frankly, its a good learning experience about the importance of planning ahead in social situations.
If my dude cant figure out how to convince his mother, he's gonna have much bigger problems socialing supernaturals.


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[X] Daniel tried and he struck out, that's on him now


At worst we can make it up to him when we get back.
The car we promised should be about ready for pickup the same time as Rosie's.
 
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Im assuming there's a reason why nobody simply buys pigs/goats/cattle and drain them for vitality before slaughtering them for meat.

Yes, they do not want to become magically part pig, it can have deleterious effects. It is worth keeping in mind magic is conceptual so you can't transplant it easily. It is why White Court vampires have to induce lust in humans not wander around the horse ranch in the right season.
 
This is not true.
Tiffany's physical attributes are all at 5, and she can boost both her Mental and Physical to 10 for a scene.
Even with 0 in her abilities she'd still be rolling at least 10 dice in any physical or mental task she chose to put effort into.

AND she has an Apocalyptic Form.
So she's about even with him in a fight because her apocalyptic form doesn't Grant her enough dexterity to beat his training at this point she would have seven dexterity in her apocalyptic form we know Daniel is actually a trained swords person and physically well trained. We don't know his stats at this point but to be honest in a fight between the two of them she would need to be an apocalyptic form to actually have a chance to win. When you need to pull out literal Angel magic to win a fight you can't really claim to be a better fighter. She's a social demigod don't get a twisted but she's not a particularly good fighter and she has about as much resistance to being hit in the face as he does outside of apocalyptic form and if you need to do that why can't I just say he has armor we can just make him armor in 5 minutes like we made our own armor.
 
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So she's about even with him in a fight because her apocalyptic form doesn't Grant her enough dexterity to beat his training at this point she would have seven dexterity in her apocalyptic form we know Daniel is actually a trained swords person and physically well trained. We don't know his stats at this point but to be honest in a fight between the two of them she would need to be an apocalyptic form to actually have a chance to win. When you need to pull out literal Angel magic to win a fight you can't really claim to be a better fighter. She's a social demigod don't get a twisted but she's not a particularly good fighter and she has about as much resistance to being hit in the face as he does outside of apocalyptic form and if you need to do that why can't I just say he has armor we can just make him armor in 5 minutes like we made our own armor.
That is not true.

Daniel is a mortal teenager.
Even if he was better than average in everything, that would just mean he's rolling 6 dice (Attribute 3 + Ability 3).
Tiffany would stomp him into the ground even without a single dot in anything remotely physical.

Make no mistake, they are not peers.

And I fail to see your point about Angel magic.
Its literally part of who she is, and she can use it without cost. Just like how Exalted magic is part of who Molly is, and she can use a lot of it without cost.

Any mortal who chooses to compete with a supernatural doesnt get to complain about how the supernatural is cheating by using their supernatural powers to style over them.
 
That is not true.

Daniel is a mortal teenager.
Even if he was better than average in everything, that would just mean he's rolling 6 dice (Attribute 3 + Ability 3).
Tiffany would stomp him into the ground even without a single dot in anything remotely physical.

Make no mistake, they are not peers.

And I fail to see your point about Angel magic.
Its literally part of who she is, and she can use it without cost. Just like how Exalted magic is part of who Molly is, and she can use a lot of it without cost.

Any mortal who chooses to compete with a supernatural doesnt get to complain about how the supernatural is cheating by using their supernatural powers to style over them.
Except we know he's not average in any particular way. We know he's physically rather large for taking in both Sports and Athletics as well as training and swordsmanship from his father who is a Knight of the cross as as well as military training in our hell. The idea that 7 dexterity is going to be enough to beat skill there is hilariously flawed never mind the fact that she's not that good in a fight. He's likely at least a four in dexterity and at least another three in melee.

I mean if she needs to Don a form of which she's a primordial angel she's not that great in a fight. He's not rocking a normal of slightly above average dice pool he has training from a young age and swordsmanship and is physically imposing and athletic.

Outside of a fight she's way better than him providing Buffs out of this world in a fight she's directly interchangeable with a flash grenade and him. Which at that point bring them both because they're just the same amount of useful in a fight.
 
Considering how whamps activate their powers you need to have very particular tastes to be able to do something like this.

There are ways to force it with willpower, basically self hypnosis, Lara does not need to feel lust herself to feed, it helps, it makes for a nicer experience for her, but at the end of the day it's a mental muscle, same as her super-charging the demon to become faster or stronger.
 
So, why are we waiting to empower Daniel?
The same reason the army does not give a recruit weapons until they finish training.

My dude has been doing part-time training for a couple months; even your basic infantry grunt has six months of fulltime training before they are ajudged competent to obey orders in the field.
And this is a much more involved issue.
 
The same reason the army does not give a recruit weapons until they finish training.

My dude has been doing part-time training for a couple months; even your basic infantry grunt has six months of fulltime training before they are ajudged competent to obey orders in the field.
And this is a much more involved issue.
I mean Lash can also just magic it so why not?

We do have alternatives.
 
So, why are we waiting to empower Daniel?
We are waiting for him to finish studying a style of martial arts he chose from our world. We promise that after that we will give that Kakuri sword that we got to him and take him on our adventures. We just didn't promise use Inner Darkness Unleash with him because at the time we didn't have that charm, but we'll definitely use it on him when the time comes.
 
We just didn't promise use Inner Darkness Unleash with him because at the time we didn't have that charm, but we'll definitely use it on him when the time comes.
I'm not sure that's a good idea. Since our whole use of IDU hinges on Mercy in Servitude. And Daniel is Molly's brother. If they have a sibling spat it may very well drop and that would lead to a lot of bad blood between them. Daniel thinks of Molly as his sister first, not his boss. And it would be very hard to change.
 
I mean Lash can also just magic it so why not?

We do have alternatives.
Because supernatural shit is as much about judgement as it is about fightiness?
And giving a teenage boy better fightiness without the knowledge base or judgement is basically asking for trouble.
Thats the point of the training program.

Michael used to be military.
He can tell him all about how long just basic military training took, and he was doing it as a fulltime job, not part-time hobby in-between school and social life.

I will also point out that Lash hasnt finished her personal upgrades, let alone Lydia or Molly or Olivia.
Daniel is way down the list.
We are waiting for him to finish studying a style of martial arts he chose from our world. We promise that after that we will give that Kakuri sword that we got to him and take him on our adventures. We just didn't promise use Inner Darkness Unleash with him because at the time we didn't have that charm, but we'll definitely use it on him when the time comes.
I agree with Zoolimar that using IDU on a family member is an all-around bad idea.
It makes them subject to DPoE.
We do not need our baby brother looking at us that way.

And we promised him the sword.
We did not promise to take him on our adventures.
 
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We did not promise to take him on our adventures.
In fairness,

1. He will probably go on his own adventure like he almost did with Lydia
2. He does want to spend time with Lydia, even if that ends up with Molly third wheeling and Olivia 4th Wheeling.
3. He does not become any less of a target, if we give him the Sword.

That said, I am torn on using IDU on him as you have rightfully pointed out that MIS is a limiting factor.
 
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