Ivar
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Better to do the opposite and give them the task of not saying a word like Synchrophasotron and then they will just say the word. Not perfect, but better than saying the word.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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That doesn't help if they're knocked out.
The advantage of making it saying a word is that VEE triggers if the person either refuses or shirks at their task. That means the clone can trigger going to Sanctuary simply by deciding to refuse to say the word, and it will automatically trigger if they've captured and restrained from speaking in some way.
I mean, I agree?
I am saying I want the clones not to stay in Sanctuary, and am explaining why they likely won't in the first place during the quest, as well as the fact that there are mitigating factors and that the risks of getting cursed always existed anyway.
Well, the alternative is Gift of Worms. As long as we give the clone a ways to contact Molly-Prime or activate them themselves.
Though Ox Body kinda sucks in this case - means Molly will need at least 15 essence to do it right.
I'm trying not to violate the whole death of the author thing here, but I wanted to highlight the exact clause here for charm transference since it came up.
It's supposed to be a bullshit cap rule of thumb so the storyteller can nuke anything that breaks the game for clones to have as selectively as they please.
I mean DP could do that anyway since he's running the show, but it wouldn't be retconning the charm to handle that as needed is my point.
Oh yeah, the Yozis' demons prayed to them all the time, Cecelyne basically ran on the concept, not because she needed it, but because she found it amusing.
Good night guys, see you tomorrow with more from the promordial explanations.
[X] Try to reassure her that she can see you just fine, there is just more of you to go around
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Invite her to the Sanctuary, to some beautiful forest area
-[X] stunt: "Only in the sense that I can't see you because the firing of the the neurons of your brain is hidden by your skull. Well, a lot more quantum-philosophical spacetime lensing, but the same principle. I am still me. The girl you raised and who gave you too much trouble. Not a puppet made in a crude imitation of the puppeteer. Not a shadow unfelt by the light that casts it. A window into my rich inner world maybe? Speaking of, would you like to visit?"
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Invite her to the Sanctuary, to some beautiful forest area
-[X] stunt: "Only in the sense that I can't see you because the firing of the the neurons of your brain is hidden by your skull. Well, a lot more quantum-philosophical spacetime lensing, but the same principle. I am still me. The girl you raised and who gave you too much trouble. Not a puppet made in a crude imitation of the puppeteer. Not a shadow unfelt by the light that casts it. A window into my rich inner world maybe? Speaking of, would you like to visit?"
- Location
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[X] Try to reassure her that she can see you just fine, there is just more of you to go around
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Invite her to the Sanctuary, to some beautiful forest area
-[X] stunt: "Only in the sense that I can't see you because the firing of the the neurons of your brain is hidden by your skull. Well, a lot more quantum-philosophical spacetime lensing, but the same principle. I am still me. The girl you raised and who gave you too much trouble. Not a puppet made in a crude imitation of the puppeteer. Not a shadow unfelt by the light that casts it. A window into my rich inner world maybe? Speaking of, would you like to visit?"
[X] Try to reassure her that she can see you just fine, there is just more of you to go around
-[X] Empathy Excellency
-[X] Mom, you can see me just fine. Unless you mean to say I've never seen you, I don't know the young woman who fell into the wrong crowd and got kidnapped by a dragon does that mean I've never seen you? I don't know who dad was before he picked up the sword does that mean I've never seen him? Everyone shows a different face in different situations this is I will admit considerably more magical than that but it's the same phenomenon the face you show to me is different from the one you show to leech, the face you show to Harry is different from the one you show to Harry and that's okay. To say you cannot see me now is to say you've never seen me. Even if some of the features that you cannot see as before are now geographical rather then just emotional.
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] Invite her to the Sanctuary, to some beautiful forest area
-[X] stunt: "Only in the sense that I can't see you because the firing of the the neurons of your brain is hidden by your skull. Well, a lot more quantum-philosophical spacetime lensing, but the same principle. I am still me. The girl you raised and who gave you too much trouble. Not a puppet made in a crude imitation of the puppeteer. Not a shadow unfelt by the light that casts it. A window into my rich inner world maybe? Speaking of, would you like to visit?"
[X] Try to reassure her that she can see you just fine, there is just more of you to go around
-[X] Empathy Excellency
-[X] Mom, you can see me just fine. Unless you mean to say I've never seen you, I don't know the young woman who fell into the wrong crowd and got kidnapped by a dragon does that mean I've never seen you? I don't know who dad was before he picked up the sword does that mean I've never seen him? Everyone shows a different face in different situations this is I will admit considerably more magical than that but it's the same phenomenon the face you show to me is different from the one you show to leech, the face you show to Harry is different from the one you show to Harry and that's okay. To say you cannot see me now is to say you've never seen me. Even if some of the features that you cannot see as before are now geographical rather then just emotional.
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I raise things and issues I think might be problems now so that we dont have to deal with them later.
Like the time the QM had to rework Green Sun Nimbus Flare because it imbalanced the combat meta.
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Boils down to this:
Nobody here I am aware of has the system mastery of WoD necessary to do homebrew involving that gameline that Im comfortable with; they invariably miss something.
Especially anything to do with WTA, which makes Exalted look straightforward.
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According to the lore, they're apparently much the same thing, just for different members of the Triat.
And Infernals dont make dhampirs at all, or akuma, yet here we are with a dhampir akuma as a circle member.
Made with a charm for making fomori.
And IIRC, you originally suggested doing this as an option.
Anyway, its W20 lore that Pentex outright makes designer Fomori, and have since the 1970s.
W20 Book of the Wyrm p131 said:
W20 Book of the Wyrm p132 said:
W20 Book of the Wyrm p132 said:
W20 Book of the Wyrm p135 said:
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I've mentioned this before:
Just learn Path Magic: Fortune 1-3 and pick up the 1-dot ritual Death Curse.
It gets cornered, the clone burns all its WP to nuke the person victimizing it, which simultaneously sends it back to Molly's head. Problem solved. By the time anyone who manages to capture a clone gets hit with the equivalent of 15 successes of death curse once or twice, word will get around.
For reference, this is the Sorcerer version of what Maggie LeFay did to Lord Raith.
Considering the WoD rules authors themselves don't have the system mastery necessary for that.
When a woman is mourning that the influence of magic has cost her daughter her humanity, doubling down on it seems like a decidedly sub-optimal way to address the issue.
1) Sanctuary does not have beautiful forest areas for tourists.
The world as designed is howlingly hostile outside a small stretch of territory and distressingly alien elsewhere; it is NOT reassuring to Earthborn people, and especially not people in distress due to the loss of the familiar.
This was a deliberate design choice when Yog was crafting this place, and something I believe I raised as a potential future issue before and during the vote; the less Earthlike the Hell, the more issues we will have with newcomers. We dont get to change our minds about that because suddenly its not convenient.
Thats the cost of doing alien things because you think they are Cool; a lot of people will not agree.
2) Charity is magic-phobic.
She's gotten better about it, but she's currently having a Bad Time, and Sanctuary is very in-your-phase with regards with its magic. Pushing more magic into her face during a period of distress is not how you address her trauma
She needs to visit, but now is terrible timing, and will probably apply penalties to any argument we make.
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I dont see how it combines.
And the permanent clones do not, or at least should not, have access to that charm, or most charms at all.
True.
They do come closer though
Goldfish
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Charity is not that fragile, IMO. She's upset, but I think getting a good dose of reality might jar her back onto an even keel.
You are dealing with a survivor of a magic cult, that saw magic turn the then-leader from a normal if egotistical dude into something that sacrificed other people to a dragon for power. A woman whose parents let their status-seeking arguably rob them of a good chunk of their humanity.
This is squarely hitting all of her traumas.
And I dont think its wise to handwave them and say "she's tough".
If she was as tough as you think, she wouldnt be basically breaking down here in front of her child.
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
- Location
- Formerly of the Far Realm
What would you recommend instead?
Reminder we are dealing with a super anti magic person.
[X] Try to reassure her that she can see you just fine, there is just more of you to go around
-[X] Mom, you can see me just fine. Unless you mean to say I've never seen you, I don't know the young woman who fell into the wrong crowd and got kidnapped by a dragon does that mean I've never seen you? I don't know who dad was before he picked up the sword does that mean I've never seen him? Everyone shows a different face in different situations this is I will admit considerably more magical than that but it's the same phenomenon the face you show to me is different from the one you show to leech, the face you show to Harry is different from the one you show to Harry and that's okay. To say you cannot see me now is to say you've never seen me. Even if some of the features that you cannot see as before are now geographical rather then just emotional.
[X] Try to reassure her that she can see you just fine, there is just more of you to go around
-[X] Mom, you can see me just fine. Unless you mean to say I've never seen you, I don't know the young woman who fell into the wrong crowd and got kidnapped by a dragon does that mean I've never seen you? I don't know who dad was before he picked up the sword does that mean I've never seen him? Everyone shows a different face in different situations this is I will admit considerably more magical than that but it's the same phenomenon the face you show to me is different from the one you show to leech, the face you show to Harry is different from the one you show to Harry and that's okay. To say you cannot see me now is to say you've never seen me. Even if some of the features that you cannot see as before are now geographical rather then just emotional.
Not for tourists, but there is a ring of forests, and some areas in there should be very beautiful, in a "savage untamed land, full of glory and primal power" kind of way.
We have changed, and we haven't tried to hide it, and hiding it long term is impossible. Hiding it now is going to be very hard, and long-term counter-productive. It'll create more and more distance between Mollly and Charity. So, this leaves controlled presentation. "Mom, I am still here, and I am still me. More than I was, in a weird quantum physics like way, but me, the girl you raised, and I am willing to show it to you".
I made very, very deliberate effort not to say stuff with parallels to the Holy Trinity. Because while they fit, that's going to be the wrong choice.
We need to move her on from "I have lost my daughter, and the thing before me is just a puppet" position to something more constructive and less likely to alienate us from her.
The window metaphor is good, I think. I have more, but they are technical, like "a holographic image", or a "human scale fractal".
OK, fine, let's remove the Sanctuary bit, despite how it would be helpful, I think.
[X] Try to reassure her that she can see you just fine, there is just more of you to go around
-[X] Empathy excellency
-[X] stunt: "Only in the sense that I can't see you because the firing of the the neurons of your brain is hidden by your skull. Well, a lot more quantum-philosophical spacetime lensing, but the same principle. I am still me. The girl you raised and who gave you too much trouble. Not a puppet made in a crude imitation of the puppeteer. Not a shadow unfelt by the light that casts it. A window into my rich inner world maybe?"
I really like your Technical and really interesting metaphysical propositions a lot of the time but this feels like maybe we should take a step back from that for just a moment. Charity is having an emotional moment she's not having trouble understanding us not really she feels that she is the distance has gotten too far to the point where she thinks she cannot even interact with us in a real way. I hope I'm explaining that well, relaying what we are doesn't help that explaining that we definitely just are real and are ourselves even if there is more of ourself than there was before without really going into depth really would calm her fears of that distance.
Comparing Molly's body the one she was born in and the one that is her daughter to electrons sparking across neurons in Charity's brain is not going to calm her down. If anything it's super emphasizes that distance that she is realizing or becoming afraid of. That is why I picked fully fledged people Charity in that moment where she was taken by someone she thought she could trust was a full person with an internal Life, motivations and understanding but she's not that person anymore, Michael before he picked up the sword same deal. The faces people put on for their friends for their families are just as much them as the face they have when they're alone even if those faces are a bit more cleaned up or presentable they're still just as much real and true as any other face they possess.
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I compared Sanctuary to neurons, not Molly's body, which is the skull jn that metaphor.
The way I see it is Charity having a breakdown about Molly being turned into some alien thing, and the Molly in front of her not actually being Molly, but some sort of puppet or shadow, a facsimile of her daughter instead of the daughter herself. We need to make ourselves more approachable, and to reframe the weirdness. To make it clear that Molly-as-human is Molly, and she's not disappearing anywhere. The Sanctuary visit was meant to show that Molly as Sanctuary is also open to Charity, that we are not distancing ourselves from her.