Well, it would strongly depend on what Molly understands of how the charm works, and how that insight translates into understanding that human shaped Molly is but a point of view of the greater Molly-self, which is more akin to a cosmic principle personified.I'll keep it in mind
BTW though if you guys choose SGI the next update will not be the plan, it will be explaining how Molly became twins to her parents
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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That really does not track the vast majority of orginazed crime money is drug money nowadays. Does not matter how well marcone runs his crime he would be outcompeted by those that do deal in drugs. Their just no overcoming the vast difference in money from drugs.
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I don't fucking know man but it's canon. Also you know he kills those who do so it's not like they continue to be competition forever. Also he has legitimate business on top of his illegitimate stuff.
Oh, all Mollies will get that, but that particular insight isn't going to be easy to translate to anyone but Tiffany.
You can't outcompete Marcone if you are dead. He is running a Monopoly in Chicago and considering his contacts and resources you won't be able to remove him without supernatural support or a lot of luck.
50 million for his head would be trivial for the drug lords to spend to expand to a major city. Without mass mind control it impossible for one of his own to not be bribed to kill him.
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We can break Marcone in a afternoon. The real question is means and ends. Kill him and as many people in his gang as we decide to? Kidnap them and put them in our hell? Use Inner Devils Unchained (consent is not required) and enslave them? The one thing that we are not equipped to do is bring them to justice under mortal law.
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There's a Gift for that. Two actually:
The fomor tool set includes access to stuff to handle a lot of this sort of issue, even stuff that organic Exalt charms might not cover.
If you're really set on bomb collars, Death Curse is available at Fortune Path 1 as soon as a Molly clone gets lessons from a Fortune Path sorcerer, like one of those in her Hell.
No tools or equipment necessary.
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On one hand, a criminal lord of one (admittedly major American) city is kind of beneath Molly.
On the other hand, said city is Chicago, her hometown. Hers.
On the third mutated hand, even 1 AP spent on this is kind of a lot, considering what Molly could do with 1 AP of Crafting.
On the other hand, said city is Chicago, her hometown. Hers.
On the third mutated hand, even 1 AP spent on this is kind of a lot, considering what Molly could do with 1 AP of Crafting.
That runs face first into Valkyrie and his inner circle that don't care about just money. People who could be bribed don't have enough access to kill him. There may be other ways to sway them but just throwing money around won't work. His old fashion non-optimal approach to crime has its own benefits.
Yeah, the biggest problem is managing fallout from his removal. Especially phone calls with USA goverment representatives.
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Formor don't get high-tier Gifts though, I think?
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That why I keep bringing up A Cold and Lonely World. It negates social power. Of course no current plan has it.
No, the problem is not Marcone's own social power. It's explaining why Molly is running an analogue of armed PMC company staffed with lazer-lizards to break a supposed criminal enterprise on US soil. Because she would 100% need to have boots on the ground to break his lieutenants and other smaller groups.
The issue is that he has quite serious backing from Odin, including, I am fairly sure, his forces bodyguarding Marcone. It's very hard to compete with that.
I am fairly sure that Marcone will eventually get handled or at least contained as a side effect of the combination of raising the city god, and creating the manse and enacting city wide charm grade protective effect, with other stuff like Olivia doing stuff in the background. Molly's presense alone means Marcone cannot lay claim to Chicago - he would be looked at strangely if he tried.
The best position he can hope for is akin to that of a house can, with Molly's circle collectively being the overworked constantly absent house owner.
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No? Molly could take everyone under Marcone's employ personally even if they were all armed with a bazookas and rocket launchers. Her code name was well chosen. His gang stands less chance then Lex would against Superman.
Of course we could also just use ATP to walk up to Marcone and kill/abduct/enslave before anyone knows what even happened.
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A six foot ten dude in a trench coat and a devastatingly beautiful woman(Lash is Appearance 5), sitting on a park bench
In winter. In January. In Chicago.
Thats noteworthy for multiple reasons.
Where did the terrier come from?
Because the gang lord is preventing the gang problem becoming a vampire problem or a warlock problem.
Because if Marcone goes down, someone else will fill the vacuum; prior to him the Red Court owned most of the high-end sex trade in Chicago, and the White Court are currently in town, and own the porn studios and some of the nightclubs..
Also, Dresden does owe Marcone his life. Dead Beat, where Gard stopped Corpsetaker's ghoul from eating him.
Interesting that she's using Read Emotions here.
This seems to matter to her.
Im not sure why; she knows Harry well enough to know that he's not going to go chasing some organized crime figure if he's willing to overlook the White Court next door.
And she won the argument.
I wonder what Ebenezar thinks about her and where she came from
Im sure he can make some very good guesses from how she feels, and from divination; I suspect a lot of the Senior Council can as well.
Makes sense.
She's two or three years old as a separate entity, and only a month in her own body.
A lot of her thought processes havent had time to really deviate.
Yes she can. But Molly doesn't have the time to catch a couple hundreds to possibly a thousand criminals on her own. Even with clone charm.
Short of doing Naruto level mass cloning, that she doesn't have the tools for, she can't do it herself in any reasonable timeframe. And just removing Marcone won't solve the problem. Even if most of them are going to surrender she would still need people to put them in manacles and ship to prison or whatever.
If you are busting an organization like this you need to take down most of them within a short time frame.
Or do you propose she just kill everyone?
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In that situation I would use Inner Devils Unchained to enslave a bunch without anyone knowing what happened. Capturing a few hundred criminals seems like a waste of time. If going that route we just take out the leadership spread around cyber devils and release all criminal data to the internet.
Neither eradication or taking over requires much killing.
The bomb collar is for CCC. Again, I don't trust those powers against our level of opposition. If our lower key defensive abilities against possession and mind magic can be propagated through, but I'm not going to be convinced a werewolf gift is up to resisting a cosmic level force of corruption and subversion.
It's not that the gifts are bad exactly, but we've got the personal attention of big leagues specialists in exactly this. If it's possible at all I expect that thing to figure out how to do it.
Lash uses Read Emotions like she breathes, not using it when doing a social roll would be the equivalent of deciding to stuff her fingers in her ears. As for why more broadly... check her sheet, she just got ally John Marcone for healing the kid, it is awkward to use those benefits while Marcone still thinks of Harry as a potential enemy.
I'd like to point out that it is, in fact, perfectly within Molly's capabilities to eliminate illegal activities within Chicago. It would take effort that is probably better spent elsewhere, but it's possible.
In one of the previous interludes Harry was mentally complaining that Ebenezar didn't give Lash the shovel speech. He did warn her that he'll come after her if she gives him cause. it was implied that Lash knew about Blackstaff, and Ebenezar knew Lash knew.
Well, while avatars is probably a better explanation, concept of Trinity maps fairly well to the situation, and is culturally well known to Carpenters. And she has SCCP. she could always use it (and probably high level magical math) for explanation.
That would just lead to multiple competing organizations sprouting on top of the corpse of previous one. With maybe feds and police being able to take some of them in. Plus Chicago courts being swamped with work for the next decade or two. But I doubt you would be able to pin down even 10% of his "employees" like this.
There is a reason most operations against large organized crime groups take years to prepare.
Not in the Dresden Files apparently.
They do traffic drugs. He has restrictions about who traffics drugs, what drugs, and where, and to who. As a gang lord with the occult backing of Allfather Odin, he has options that RL drug lords dont.
Also, in the Dresdenverse, a plurality of drug product from south of the border come from Red Court-controlled territory.
A crime lord with aspirations to remain independent is likely to be fairly motivated to keep them and their product out of his territory.
Yeah.
There was the short story that started with him shooting two people from Boston in the head, and shipping the third back to tell their boss to stay out.
50 million dollars is NOT trivial.
The bounty on Osama Bin Laden was only $25 million.
El Chapo's sons only have a bounty of $10 million.
For reference, when Peabody tried to frame Morgan for the murder of LaFortier, he created a bank account with six million in it, and that was considered sufficiently significant to be credible.
Dresden's entire take from the raid on Hades was less than this.
And frankly, someone who has a Valkyrie as his magic consultant and the services of Einherjar mercenaries is too hard a target for any other organized crime figure.
They get Tier 2 Gifts in canon as of W20.
You need to get your hand on the Book of the Wyrm Companion.
Unofficial supplement.
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Laser-Lizards!
We own a TV production company. I wonder how hard would it be to get a Gurvel-inspired children's Saturday morning cartoon program on the air?
Or maybe it could be live action, with incredibly well done "CGI" and "costumes"?
Maybe both?
Let's prepare for a Masquerade breakdown by introducing some of our scariest looking people as heroes. This could insulate the Masquerade, too, since our people could just be really dedicated and skilled cosplayers...
