That's semantics. The armors provide perfect effect defense against damage from certain sources.
Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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The difference between a mortal and an exalted is the difference between a candle, and an actual star they are not comparable or even related.
And read the charm, every thirty minuets Molly has to pop her Perfect defense or be hit with a curse, scenes are not long. A no name magic user could just sit in the middle of nowhere firing of curse after thou a clone forever, until Molly is dead.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
Exactly. They'd be made using her essence. How could they possibly not be mystically linked?
VOTE
[X]Plan Shadow Clones
-[X]Molly: 40xp
--[X]Splintered Gale Incarnation: 20xp
--[X]Sandstrike Blast: 8xp
--[X]Countermagic 2/4(Human + Vampire): 6xp
--[X]Ox-Body Technique 3: 3xp
--[X]By Rage Recast 3: Swift Stride: 3xp
--[X]Lash raise Stamina to 5
--[X]Remaining Bank: 1xp
-[X]Lash: 11xp
--[X]Investment: Fomor Power: Numbing 1: +3HL + wound penalty negation [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
--[X]Investment: Special Advantage 6: Regrowth: [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
--[X]Investment: Special Advantage 5: Soak Aggravated Damage [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
--[X]Lore of Light 2: Bend Light: 5 XP
--[X]Occult Aptitude: 3XP
--[X]Countermagic 1/4(Spirit): 3xp
-[X]Lydia: 11xp + Molly 1
--[X]Occult 2: 2xp
--[X]Ox-Body 4: 3xp
--[X]Devil Fighter/Mo Kung 2: Dragon Speed: 4xp
--[X]Countermagic 1/4 (Fae): 3xp
--[X]Lash raise Stamina to 5
-[X]Olivia: 11xp
--[X]Lash raise Stamina to 5
--[X]Bank XP
RATIONALE
Im assuming that Lash can only improve 1x Attribute for other people per turn.
To represent the fact that everyone has things they are doing, and that each person needs time to adjust to permanent changes in their Attribute spread and how it works for them day to day.
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For Molly? SGI is the clone charm that gives her shadow clones. Sandstrike Blast is Molly's ranged attack, gives her eyebeams/swordbeams and a big AoE attack for things like taking out groups of enemies. By Rage Recast: Swift Stride doubles her speed when she has her Aspects active, and stacks with the one in shintai(I checked, x4 is legal).
Countermagic(Human)allows her to counterspell human wizards and sorcerers, and to undo human magic traps and curses.
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For Lash?
Lore of Light 2 allows her to debuff ranged attacks without activating Apocalyptic Form, and to do Predator-level invisibility. Occult Aptitude improves her ability to defend against magic attack, and to address Occult issues.
Countermagic(Spirit) gives her countermagic against demons, ghosts and the like, and to undo magic traps and curses by the same.
Special Advantage Regrowth gives her Wolverine-level regeneration.
She doesnt get a Perfect Defense, but with this unless you kill her and destroy the body entirely with fire or acid, she will put herself back together. Eventually.
Special Advantage Soak Agg Damage allows her to soak lethal and agg damage with her stamina.
Solves a major fragility problem.
Fomor Power Numbing(It's legal, I asked) gives her +3HLs and wound negation.
Id take it twice, but Im limiting her number of Investments to [dots of permanent Faith].
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Lydia? Dragon Speed allows her to buff her Dexterity for the scene by +3/+4.
Occult 2 goes without saying, because we just saw why no supernatural should have low Occult.
Countermagic(Fae) allows her to defend against fae magics, and to undo magic traps and curses by fae.
Ox-Body at E4 raises her HP from 13 to 15.
Stamina upgrade because it increases her soak; at Stamina 5, with Marble Skin active, she's pretty much immune to most mooks with ARs. And she can boost her soak much higher, all the way to 20, which puts her in the same general area as Molly in shintai.
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Olivia?
Stamina upgrade because it boosts Soak.
She banks her XP because 11xp isnt enough to buy her upgrades.
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NOTE
Countermagic is divided into four according to Sorcerer Revised:
Vampire magic.Fae magic.Human magic. Spirit magic(which is ghosts, demons, etc).
All of which cost 3xp each, or 12xp for the lot.
[X]Plan Shadow Clones
-[X]Molly: 40xp
--[X]Splintered Gale Incarnation: 20xp
--[X]Sandstrike Blast: 8xp
--[X]Countermagic 2/4(Human + Vampire): 6xp
--[X]Ox-Body Technique 3: 3xp
--[X]By Rage Recast 3: Swift Stride: 3xp
--[X]Lash raise Stamina to 5
--[X]Remaining Bank: 1xp
-[X]Lash: 11xp
--[X]Investment: Fomor Power: Numbing 1: +3HL + wound penalty negation [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
--[X]Investment: Special Advantage 6: Regrowth: [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
--[X]Investment: Special Advantage 5: Soak Aggravated Damage [Lore of Flesh 5, permanent]
--[X]Lore of Light 2: Bend Light: 5 XP
--[X]Occult Aptitude: 3XP
--[X]Countermagic 1/4(Spirit): 3xp
-[X]Lydia: 11xp + Molly 1
--[X]Occult 2: 2xp
--[X]Ox-Body 4: 3xp
--[X]Devil Fighter/Mo Kung 2: Dragon Speed: 4xp
--[X]Countermagic 1/4 (Fae): 3xp
--[X]Lash raise Stamina to 5
-[X]Olivia: 11xp
--[X]Lash raise Stamina to 5
--[X]Bank XP
RATIONALE
Im assuming that Lash can only improve 1x Attribute for other people per turn.
To represent the fact that everyone has things they are doing, and that each person needs time to adjust to permanent changes in their Attribute spread and how it works for them day to day.
=====
For Molly? SGI is the clone charm that gives her shadow clones. Sandstrike Blast is Molly's ranged attack, gives her eyebeams/swordbeams and a big AoE attack for things like taking out groups of enemies. By Rage Recast: Swift Stride doubles her speed when she has her Aspects active, and stacks with the one in shintai(I checked, x4 is legal).
Countermagic(Human)allows her to counterspell human wizards and sorcerers, and to undo human magic traps and curses.
=====
For Lash?
Lore of Light 2 allows her to debuff ranged attacks without activating Apocalyptic Form, and to do Predator-level invisibility. Occult Aptitude improves her ability to defend against magic attack, and to address Occult issues.
Countermagic(Spirit) gives her countermagic against demons, ghosts and the like, and to undo magic traps and curses by the same.
Special Advantage Regrowth gives her Wolverine-level regeneration.
She doesnt get a Perfect Defense, but with this unless you kill her and destroy the body entirely with fire or acid, she will put herself back together. Eventually.
Special Advantage Soak Agg Damage allows her to soak lethal and agg damage with her stamina.
Solves a major fragility problem.
Fomor Power Numbing(It's legal, I asked) gives her +3HLs and wound negation.
Id take it twice, but Im limiting her number of Investments to [dots of permanent Faith].
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Lydia? Dragon Speed allows her to buff her Dexterity for the scene by +3/+4.
Occult 2 goes without saying, because we just saw why no supernatural should have low Occult.
Countermagic(Fae) allows her to defend against fae magics, and to undo magic traps and curses by fae.
Ox-Body at E4 raises her HP from 13 to 15.
Stamina upgrade because it increases her soak; at Stamina 5, with Marble Skin active, she's pretty much immune to most mooks with ARs. And she can boost her soak much higher, all the way to 20, which puts her in the same general area as Molly in shintai.
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Olivia?
Stamina upgrade because it boosts Soak.
She banks her XP because 11xp isnt enough to buy her upgrades.
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NOTE
Countermagic is divided into four according to Sorcerer Revised:
Vampire magic.Fae magic.Human magic. Spirit magic(which is ghosts, demons, etc).
All of which cost 3xp each, or 12xp for the lot.
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BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
@DragonParadox I recall this being brought up a long time ago and IIRC you had given a response back then. Can you confirm if the way Uju wants to use it here is a possibility or not so we can avoid retreading old ground here?
Yes, you can hand out Formori power to your other selves.
We already have that. And it doesn't say it can be stacked up.
These, I think, should be a separate thing. They are IC actions, not XP spending. That's my very strong opinion. Plus, we don't know if she can do those.
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Can you give me the page number? I cannot find it.
Are we E4 this with this?
Yes, or rather you will be after this update at the start of Art 13.
Point of order:
Shaping defenses will protect you against shaping damage.
They wont necessarily protect you against being used to target you from afar.
So for example, if a witch is using your hair to cast a death curse on you, that will strike you dead? Thats shaping damage.
If they are using it to target you with lightning bolts? Thats not shaping damage.
Worth keeping it in mind.
1)x2 base speed is an integral feature of Devil-Beast Shintai, and stacks with further purchases of Swift Stride.
I pointed it out to the QM, and they agreed it made sense.
Its legal.
2)Look at the plan; the Investments dont cost XP.
Permanent changes seem like the sort of thing that end of story arc downtime is meant for.
Page 63, Sorcerer Revised.
My copy isnt allowing me to copy-paste, or I'd do it for you.
Sorry.
For reagents technically the RaW is that you need a certain level base value reagent and then adding to that takes you to the next level.
1 dot reagent + 2 dot reagent = 3 dot splendor
1 dot + 1 dot + 1 dot = 3 dot splendor
4 and 5 are special though, in that you need a higher quality reagent for both steps.
She's not really immune to mook spam, because action penalties on defense and simple statistics. Not rolling is better, and lets everyone save essence for other things when not facing singular threats.
The council has always been spread thin. Technically Dresden is responsible for a whole region all on his own. The setup in the city doesn't make sense with strong presence from other factions.
It might be more accurate to say we could own Cambridge outright and from their become the primary agent in Boston, but given the situation the end result should be much the same.
I think the important part is that it's not bound to statistics. Even if perfect attacks did ignore the immunity not having to roll to ignore bullets and common mundane weapons is vastly superior to having a higher soak against them.
Also. Lydia doesn't have as much freedom with high stats as Molly does. We have BMI so we can trivially hide it, but Lydia has to deal with delirium. It's possible to do so, but the extra steps involved are still worth noting.
So how long will it take to finish enough for us to use?
Here's the last version of my attempt at this:
The first of all acts was to name. Each titan tearing themselves from the roiling chaos and defining themselves against it. A fact that no debasement could ever wholly take from them.
Echoing that act their heirs turn their hands on their own souls; naming each part according to their own design, thereby becoming in small part like those spoke themselves into being.
System:
The infernal spends 5 essence and meditates for at least one scene, turning inwards to look at their own soul. Once there, she must make a willpower roll to search her own memories for something that defines her.
It can be nearly anything; important memories, strong beliefs, trauma, what matters is that it's true and personal to the exalt. This can be very unpleasant, and lower successes should result in facing less comfortable things.
Whatever she finds, the infernal then names and begins the process of shaping into a new facet of her soul. She may have no more than her essence rating of these. If one is destroyed its body dissolves into iron wind, and the element of her soul it embodies is numbed in whatever manner is appropriate until she repeats this ritual at +1 DC to find and reform it.
If the infernal dies instead her essence manifests as screaming wind and flees to the nearest clone, killing it in her place. This wounds the infernal's spirit, dropping her one essence level that may not be regained by any means before she reforms the facet she replaced.
Once named facets may be embodied or dispelled with a thought, supposing they aren't currently destroyed and are in the infernal's presence, but she must pay 1 mote to copy over any memories directly.
As they are subordinate faces of the infernal's soul she may not use her charms through them to directly affect the world. However, as they are still part of her they may still affect themselves.
In general this means abilities that solely impact the infernal and do not rely on active interaction. The infernal may not use excellency through a clone any more than she may fire a shotgun with her nose, but can defend any part of her 'face' with equal strength. When doing so they share the infernal's essence pool.
By default the clones form as an approximation of the infernal as a mortal, perfectly loyal to its creator, fully aware of what it is, and in possession of her memories. However, for the same resource investment as making one outright she may invest them with the appropriate number of arcana features.
If the infernal has a hell they may spend one arcana feature point to provide an emanation style return function. By spending one willpower they may vanish in a burst of flaying wind to return to her hell. This counts as a clone death for the purposes of the charm, save for that it does not numb the associated elements of the infernal's soul as the facet slides smoothly back into place.
Echoing that act their heirs turn their hands on their own souls; naming each part according to their own design, thereby becoming in small part like those spoke themselves into being.
System:
The infernal spends 5 essence and meditates for at least one scene, turning inwards to look at their own soul. Once there, she must make a willpower roll to search her own memories for something that defines her.
It can be nearly anything; important memories, strong beliefs, trauma, what matters is that it's true and personal to the exalt. This can be very unpleasant, and lower successes should result in facing less comfortable things.
Whatever she finds, the infernal then names and begins the process of shaping into a new facet of her soul. She may have no more than her essence rating of these. If one is destroyed its body dissolves into iron wind, and the element of her soul it embodies is numbed in whatever manner is appropriate until she repeats this ritual at +1 DC to find and reform it.
If the infernal dies instead her essence manifests as screaming wind and flees to the nearest clone, killing it in her place. This wounds the infernal's spirit, dropping her one essence level that may not be regained by any means before she reforms the facet she replaced.
Once named facets may be embodied or dispelled with a thought, supposing they aren't currently destroyed and are in the infernal's presence, but she must pay 1 mote to copy over any memories directly.
As they are subordinate faces of the infernal's soul she may not use her charms through them to directly affect the world. However, as they are still part of her they may still affect themselves.
In general this means abilities that solely impact the infernal and do not rely on active interaction. The infernal may not use excellency through a clone any more than she may fire a shotgun with her nose, but can defend any part of her 'face' with equal strength. When doing so they share the infernal's essence pool.
By default the clones form as an approximation of the infernal as a mortal, perfectly loyal to its creator, fully aware of what it is, and in possession of her memories. However, for the same resource investment as making one outright she may invest them with the appropriate number of arcana features.
If the infernal has a hell they may spend one arcana feature point to provide an emanation style return function. By spending one willpower they may vanish in a burst of flaying wind to return to her hell. This counts as a clone death for the purposes of the charm, save for that it does not numb the associated elements of the infernal's soul as the facet slides smoothly back into place.
I wouldn't be opposed to changing the Arcana feature thing for Fomori/Akuma build points as used under the Akuma variant of the base charm, though it sort of causes an issue with the trick I wanted to use for instant escape. Not sure I like the passives mirroring for the baseline clones, but it's at least worth comparing it with the way I'm balancing charm effects.
I'm clearly biased since I wrote it, but I prefer the fluff of this because it brings the unity of spirit into focus rather than implying it and generally makes the clones more interesting on a per instance basis.
Haven't considered a signature effect for it, but something like the base charm would be okay. You get a bunch of temporarily realized fractions of Molly, or potentially something like the second order demons of her active clones.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
@DragonParadox Btw I remember it being agreed upon after the Olivia vote that during major votes like this there'd be a moratorium on voting of some time frame. Not sure if you want to keep to that.
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Oops, thanks for the reminder. Vote will open tomorrow morning for me which is about 12 Hours from now
I have not decided yet, I'll have to think about who can contribute AP to make it go faster and how long it will take on passive drip
I'll come back to this argument later, when I can pay it proper justice and recheck the books.
I remember advocating that Molly and her other Circle members do qualify to donate reagents, with potency determined by Essence level, but I dont recall them being able to stack them.
You know what?
I think I'll vote for you after the moratorium's over.
Not that interested in the base charm for the clones.
Let me clarify - can we buy Eschaton Shintai right now, or do we need to wait until the next turn when it becomes available?
I don't see how this is relevant? I don't see anything here about being able to buy swift stride multiple times.
I strongly disagree. This should be an AP to design the changes (for supernatural boosts at least), implement them (those involve rolls that can be botched!), and get adjusted to them.
Ok, I checked. Is it this one?
Next turn, it's going to be a dream vision to mark the increase to Molly's essence.
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
@DragonParadox Can you add that to the end of the most recent update so new people know going in?
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I have them bookmarked:
This seems like it should have been noted in the vote. It makes sense, but one of things we were tossing around was using it for our build turn and if it's a huge project like the dragon nest that changes a lot of things.
Yeah, that's a very important point that has no place in the vote for XP expenditure.
That's AP use, not XP use.
Sorry about that. For what it's worth none of the people you owe Splendors to are calling them in this turn urgently.
@uju32 based on this, E4 purchases should be removed from this turn.