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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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I mean it is his choice but I was hoping he'd be an asset for the Five Courts to pay off his Fey debt for literally freeing him from Hell.
 
DragonParadox said:
He looks healthy now, Molly does not have any deeper means of diagnosis, but if he were dying of something Summer would probably be the court to go to.
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Haven't they previously rejected him? Also, what about that virginal requirement for the Summer Lady? Before intervening (or not) I rather want to know how terrible of an idea this is, magically speaking.
 
Yog said:
Haven't they previously rejected him? Also, what about that virginal requirement for the Summer Lady? Before intervening (or not) I rather want to know how terrible of an idea this is, magically speaking.
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They have, but keep in mind that the rulers of the Court are not just part of the story, they are actors in it. Lilly is not Aurora.

As far as Molly knows the Summer Lady also has to be virginal (the whole three sided goddess myth for both), but there is nothing stopping them from being romantically involved.
 
uju32 said:
I dont agree.

I can see why you might think that way, but I dont find that a plausible argument in an organization that has been fighting (at that point) an eight year war against the Red Court and their half-vampires and mortal minions. Not under the eye of the six surviving Senior Council wizards.

Especially since less than half a page later, we were given a ringside look at the reaction speed and multitasking of the Merlin.
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They're still human, and even if he did have the ability to prompt unusual hesitation with mind magic I don't think that it follows that he could stop Wizards who learn of what he's done to them well in advance from overcoming it.

uju32 said:
It is not infantilizing them to point at their demonstrated canon performance and draw conclusions about their performance under similar circumstances.

It is especially not infantilizing them when the threat is an insider threat that has been embedded for more than fifteen years at this point in this AU, and has actively subverted most of the people who would normally be entrusted with dealing with this sort of thing. The immune system cant defend the body against HIV because HIV targets key cells of the immune system first
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I think it is to do so without paying attention to the context things are happening in. I don't think anyone anticipated him having as wide spread influence as he ended up having and the time table they learned of it on didn't give them much time to prepare. If McCoy was told that Peabody has been running around trying to brainwash people and selling information to their enemies then it's unlikely he's going to come at him ti he's sure he knows the angles and can win the fight unless something as pressing as the plot of Turncoat forces his hand.



uju32 said:
Peabody literally made Warden Captain-Commander Anastacia Luccio seduce and date Dresden so he could keep tabs on him through her. Yes, she was more vulnerable to this after swapping bodies, but she would have been under regular medical surveillance by senior people like Listens to Wind because she swapped bodies. And he did it anyway.
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It's called out that he could only manage to do that both because of her vulnerability from the body switch and because it was something that could have happened naturally anyway. Like Molly's description of how she worked her mind magic; he highlighted and brought to the fore something that existed already.

It was unlikely circumstances would align for either of them to make that leap, but he didn't and couldn't twist minds around like that. He can and probably has done some horrific things, but he's not reprogramming people.

As to what they should have been doing; it's easy to say in hindsight what people should do to solve their problems, but given the pressing concerns and personalities of the people involved not having constant medical checkups with a senior council member doesn't seem that unreasonable to me.


uju32 said:
One foci wont cut it.
What he did =/= how he did it =/= what he's currently doing =/= how to defuse it. Our experience with the Crown thus far in this quest has never been such that one question unravels all the important details of a person's guilt.
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We need one wizard we don't care about losing as a foci. Once Molly knows about the brainwashing ink she can share that and McCoy or whoever we work with can take action with the understanding that their opponent has unwilling and unwitting agents. We don't need every detail to prompt the correct initial steps to handling the situation.


uju32 said:
We're a social Exalt with social Excellencies as Key; we can deal with political consequences. We cant do fuckall about death, and it would take decades to even begin to replace wizard losses. There's a reason why enemy attacks have repeatedly targeted Council training facilities; those losses have ripple effects decades and centuries later.

In canon this affair ended up with the death of Peabody, but at the cost of fifty dead wizards, the death of Donald Morgan, a significant loss of internal faith, and with the Black Council putting their candidate on the Senior Council.
Which proximately contributed to White Council paralysis during Changes.

THATS what we are trying to avoid.
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Social excellencies aren't arbitrarily capable of bending people to our whim. Preventing this disaster from exploding is important, but if we do it the wrong way we'll alienate the council anyway simply because they cannot allow outsiders to perform brain surgery on their organization.

This is a basic legitimacy thing, and a significant indicator of diplomatic stance. If we're making unilateral decisions about them then we're not really working with them as an ally.
uju32 said:
If your entire objection is involving the Council in some way? Thats why we have a relationship with Dresden.
He's officially a senior Warden, and this would be his responsibility. The only reason we havent read him in yet is because we have doubts about his ability to keep a poker face, else we'd ask him to look.
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Our close association with him poisons the well somewhat. It may also get him in trouble in the same way running an anti-corruption campaign using foreign agents would in any country on earth.


uju32 said:
Kemmler could not have been an outlaw when he got access to Demonreach.
Nor could he have been some unknown.
Occult SuperMax doesnt accept just anyone.
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No one was policing the place, and there's a difference between starting shit and defending yourself. Responding to events and making the calculation to exclude.


uju32 said:
There was no official response to that incident in canon at all, which they chose to treat as a private matter until Dresden killed him a year later in White Night. Just like there was none here when the same thing happened, until Molly splattered Madrigal across the walls of the Raith ballroom
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Other than the official delegation that Harry was part of that threatened him?

The war had them spread thin so it was unusual. It didn't make them well disposed to him. This is not a small thing you're talking about.
 
DragonParadox said:
They have, but keep in mind that the rulers of the Court are not just part of the story, they are actors in it. Lilly is not Aurora.

As far as Molly knows the Summer Lady also has to be virginal (the whole three sided goddess myth for both), but there is nothing stopping them from being romantically involved.
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Ah, ok. And we even gave her a protective charm that negates issues with Iron. Summer incorporating ferromancy and industry is an issue, but it's an interesting issue.

[X] It's his risk to take, stay silent
 
Yog said:
Haven't they previously rejected him? Also, what about that virginal requirement for the Summer Lady? Before intervening (or not) I rather want to know how terrible of an idea this is, magically speaking.
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That can't be a requirement because their is no way in any hell that Maeve is virginal.
 
Yog said:
She is. Almost certainly very, very technically, but she is. Winter Lady mantle makes you perpetually horny and yet prevents you from actually doing anything about it. Maeve has centuries of frustration.
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When Molly got the Mantle she didn't know about it and in an adventure with Carlos the Mantle forced her to seriously injure him before they had sex because it felt a threat that could damage the Winter Lady's Mantle and she only realized it after everything was over. Mab only tell it to her after.
 
Azais said:
When Molly got the Mantle she didn't know about it and in an adventure with Carlos the Mantle forced her to seriously injure him before they had sex because it felt a threat that could damage the Winter Lady's Mantle and she only realized it after everything was over. Mab only tell it to her after.
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Well I missed that.
 
[X] It's his risk to take, stay silent

His games are for him to play. We won't get him out of jail this time.
 
I personally think that Joe would fit in better at the 5 Fold Sanctuary, but he is making a play
[X] It's his risk to take, stay silent
 
DragonParadox said:
The fact that she gave no name beyond Khālā 'Aunty' makes is very clear that she both knows the power of names and is aware she isn't hosting the usual sort of lost travelers.
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That's got to be a lot of fun for her. Understanding enough to know what you're looking at but not enough to get what they're like on a personal level sounds terrifying.
DragonParadox said:
Pleasure to meet you there little miss," Joe reaches out a hand to greet the Summer Lady, leaving you surprised at the informality for a moment before it occurs to you that miss used to be a title of nobility and 'little' is an accurate descriptor in that context, being the youngest and the least powerful of three. What you had not expected was for for Lilly to check him out, right there in the tea house half in the dark because the ancient vampire sitting right just across from him could not stand the sun. He is really nice to look at, but still.
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Even discounting the rules the ladies are subject to, isn't his skin made of iron? She has a splendor for that, but still.
DragonParadox said:
[] Try to interupt
-[] Write in

[] It's his risk to take, stay silent

[] Write in
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Not our place to interfere, they're both adults and know the score with their respective natures.

[X] It's his risk to take, stay silent

fictionfan said:
I personally think that Joe would fit in better at the 5 Fold Sanctuary, but he is making a play
[X] It's his risk to take, stay silent
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He probably wasn't going to leap into what feels like another hell permanently if he could help it in the first place. In any case he's more valuable out in the world than he is in our hell. We already have significant spirits there, more on this side of the border provide higher relative returns.
Azais said:
When Molly got the Mantle she didn't know about it and in an adventure with Carlos the Mantle forced her to seriously injure him before they had sex because it felt a threat that could damage the Winter Lady's Mantle and she only realized it after everything was over. Mab only tell it to her after.
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That conversation mentioned that as Winter Lady Molly had access to Winter law at all times and just didn't think to check. Still a shit move, but worth mentioning the context.

The fey are all about exact phrasing. I think the problem was that she tried to break winter law outright instead of taking the proper fey "well, technically speaking" approach.

Remember that Mab got pregnant as the Winter Lady via Merlin's X-rated Vulcan mind melds. There are clearly some loopholes.
 
BronzeTongue said:
The fey are all about exact phrasing. I think the problem was that she tried to break winter law outright instead of taking the proper fey "well, technically speaking" approach.

Remember that Mab got pregnant as the Winter Lady via Merlin's X-rated Vulcan mind melds. There are clearly some loopholes.
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Yeah, just at the top of my mind I can think of ways the mantle could define *virgin* that would allow for lots of loopholes, not going to tell them here, but I'm sure you can imagine some of them.
 
[x] Try to interupt
-[x] "Just to make any debt obligations clear. The hope plague was bought by me with a Summer favor"
 
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