Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
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I think this doesn't overflow Bashing into Lethal in v20 is because it's about vampires.
If you beat someone unconscious and you keep beating them, they're not going to survive just because you used a baseball bat instead of a sword, even if you don't aim for vitals.
Edit: There is also how decapitation, woodchipper, explosion etc still kill vampires even if Lethal usually just takes them into torpor.
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Here we go again.
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Hello! I've recently been trying to wrap my head around the different damage types and how they are recorded on the health track and I have some questions I'd like to ask. I know that if a health track is filled with bashing damage and more bashing damage is applied it "upgrades" to lethal...
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Semi relevant thread. God knows what the dev's were thinking though not making things explicit.
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As a comparison to a book that uses human durability players usually, here is how M20 has it.
pg 406 said:
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Wound penalties only apply to actions, the Willpower roll should be without penalty.
If it doesn't overflow, that's at least make By Agony better.
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It does. That's a vampire rule, and still a silly one.
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I have no idea why you think it is at all sane that the charm would work that way.
Its like you have never seen something be destroyed before.
Not really? All those charms are good individually, and have lots of uses.
Making the Hell of Being Flayed Alive movement charms work for vehicles massively increases movement in general, helping us get troops and equipment into and out of engagement range much more efficiently. Applying Viridian Legend Exoskeleton to vehicles similarly makes any car or truck we get into an APC for much the same reason.
The only one that could be considered overspecialized is the Warstrider one, but even that can be used in any vehicle, not just that specific one.
They're not necessarily saying it should work like that, they're saying it needs to work like that to be worth five dots.
For comparison, there's an Essence 3 Adorjan charm (same level as BAE) that's a free perfect defense against mortals using ranged attacks (albeit only at essence 4). That's the level of bullshit a five-dot charm should be at.
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whats the projection power of our hell (when we have it obviously) outside of said hell is it hard to get many going in and out of it?
OctarineShrike
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We enter our Hell by meditating in conditions decided upon when the charm is learned(such as in perfect darkness, while covered in blood, or to
the sound of screams). It takes a wits+occult roll against difficulty 9 since we have 9 willpower.
We can be there for up to 5 days at a time and must spend an equivalent amount of time in reality before we can return. Spending 5 days resets our Shintai's Difficulty/Cost. Spending 2 Essence lets us bring up to 20 people who want to come with. They can theoretically leave at any time by walking past the border or through the exit portal or something.
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everyone can theoretically leave at any time or the twenty people? Cause if everyone can not that I think its the best idea we can have an actual army though. not that armies of supernaturals is exactly a unique thing in dresden.
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OctarineShrike
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Dunno. I'm going to take the pessimistic interpretation that anybody we brought into our hell from the outside can leave at any time.
Edit: If one of the residents leaves they probably become a Jade Court Vampire/Wan Kuei or something. Though I have no idea if that's actually possible
Edit2: The people we banished may be able to return as Wan Kuei but I don't know about natives
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Their uses are all vehicle related, which are awkward to one degree or another to make useful. The armor is good for protecting against attacks, but it's also supremely obvious and temporary.
The speed bonus sounds nice, but we're talking about city driving. If we're trying to deploy somewhere and actually fully use it we risk getting chased by the cops or crashing outright.
Unless we buy more than one dot in drive anyway, which we don't exactly use for a lot of stuff. Making this a plan with a minimum cost of two to three skill dots and two dedicated charm upgrades.
So from my perspective this is an idea with a pretty high buy in that has annoying practical complications, not a cheap and universal upgrade in the utility of something basic.
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why would they become wan kuei I just assume they'd be one of the many many many species in existence in dresden files?
OctarineShrike
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I'm working off this bit from page 448
Q.Hey, once my Infernal has his own Hell, he can send
people's souls there when he kills them. Can they
then escape and return as one of the Hungry Dead?
A.You're basically a baby Yama King at that point, so
sure, I don't see why not. Sounds cool to me.
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wouldn't that only apply to the non locals who died and escaped though? With the locals being a different species entirely? Not all residents are dead souls after all.
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Visitors we brought by Meditating: Can just walk out through the border
Natives: Don't Know
Banished Souls: Wan Kuei
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this makes more sense as I thought you meant the natives.
Thinking about it more, we should probably make a point of taking bottleneck regardless of the hell build.
I'm not really sure how a soul-world will interact with the nevernever and the creatures capable of bouncing between realms, but I'd rather not find out by getting the spiritual equivalent of tape worms.
That feature is as close to an essence backed guarantee that they can't just warp in anywhere they please as we're likely to get.
I'm not really sure how a soul-world will interact with the nevernever and the creatures capable of bouncing between realms, but I'd rather not find out by getting the spiritual equivalent of tape worms.
That feature is as close to an essence backed guarantee that they can't just warp in anywhere they please as we're likely to get.
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can you turn it off and on? also how powerful are we in our soul world?
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As we are in the outside world but if we Shintai the duration is until we feel like stopping.
Edit: As for turning it off and on, that's not a thing, we bottleneck our Hell has only one place people can enter or exit.
As powerful as we are when on a node with rapid essence regen, and able to maintain Shintai as on is we wish.
Not really, it just restricts the entry and exit point to a single portal. I don't know why we'd care to turn it off though. If we want jade vampires then we can just tell our security forces to allow a soul to leave.
Our power level depends on what we choose, with most additional power coming from access to things and servants in the hell.
In terms of direct power upgrades this is pretty much it: