Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Talens are interesting. It makes me wonder how the research on the Red Court vamps is going. If all our agents had a Bane Bullet geared towards Red Court vampires they might have been able to take down Dragon in a single volley. They be even better against smaller Vamps given that they auto hit even against invisible targets. Gives a whole new meaning to "This bullet has your name on it".

Of course the BaneFire flamethrower are even more dangerous, unfortunately also to their welders. Then again Gurvel might be able to handle it. A troop of Gurvel with Banefire flamethrowers would burn though all opposition until their ammo runs out.

Edit: 10 of those things take down Molly in a single round no save. Then again with the flavor of Banefire Molly might be as immune to it as her own green fire. I quote "Balefire is a tainted form of fire, an unholy green flame fueled by the corruption of the Wyrm." And "it has certain characteristics of radiation and is usually employed near nuclear sites." Sound similar?
Molly isn't immune to her fire at a base level.
She isn't hurt by the fire she's wielding, but if a you used an independent source as a weapon it should still hurt her.

I also think those attacks would be soaked independently, so killing her immediately wouldn't necessarily be possible.
 
Molly isn't immune to her fire at a base level.
She isn't hurt by the fire she's wielding, but if a you used an independent source as a weapon it should still hurt her.

I also think those attacks would be soaked independently, so killing her immediately wouldn't necessarily be possible.
I don't know if you can call anything made in Molly's own hell an 'independent source' that's why we didn't get an automatic cult rating. The same reasoning can also work in Molly's favor.

The Banefire flamethrowers in the wiki just linked say that they don't get soaked at all which seems overpowered especially when they also set the person on fire for continuing damage, but that is what it says.

"those unlucky enough to be caught in the steam take two Health Levels of highly aggravated damage; this cannot be soaked, although it can be dodged (or weathered via the Gift: Resist Toxin)."

of course if you have 10 flamethrowers that means it can't in fact be dodged.
 
[X] Sure, you'd like to know more of what's down there
-[X] "And what better way than to see it with my own eyes? A walk is best with company you know..."
 
What do you do?

[] Harry and the others need your help

[] Finish the Dragon, he's on his last legs
It occurs to me that when we made this vote all our discussion was that if Dragon got a turn to act Harry would be dead in any case, but it occurs to me know that if he had gotten his turn he likely would have fled rather than attack and certainly die within a few seconds. After all he wasn't actually a combat bot purely motivated by spite he should have had self preservation instincts. All's well that ends well. I just find it funny that the thought never occurred to us.
 
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I don't know if you can call anything made in Molly's own hell an 'independent source' that's why we didn't get an automatic cult rating. The same reasoning can also work in Molly's favor.

The Banefire flamethrowers in the wiki just linked say that they don't get soaked at all which seems overpowered especially when they also set the person on fire for continuing damage, but that is what it says.

"those unlucky enough to be caught in the steam take two Health Levels of highly aggravated damage; this cannot be soaked, although it can be dodged (or weathered via the Gift: Resist Toxin)."

of course if you have 10 flamethrowers that means it can't in fact be dodged.
I thought that was an artifact of the werewolf Agg rules, like the battle scars bit, and that exalted Agg soak hacks would override something like that.
 
I thought that was an artifact of the werewolf Agg rules, like the battle scars bit, and that exalted Agg soak hacks would override something like that.
Maybe however we have encountered quite a few enemies able to soak agg. But it might be another case of clumsy writing.
I think the Outsiders had told him to run after grappling us but then he summoned an earthquake instead of bailing.
He wasn't down to just 3 health levels when he tried the earthquake. There is a difference between certain and likely death.

@DragonParadox : Are you mostly drawing from the Technocracy when stating our advanced industrial hell? Or I guess Pentex also fits.
What does Molly think about Tiffany trying to get an in with the local Mob boss?



[] Good for her, it sounds useful



[] Tell her to be careful, this is the kind of thing that raises her profile and as the story itself shows, it is the kind of profile some people are liable to treat as a shooting gallery



[] Ask her not to cut deals with Marcone, it does not seem worth it

Reading the demons of the fallen book maybe we should have tried to talk Tiffany into not asking for payment. It would have been a good opportunity to reduce her Torment.
 
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We should likely take the rulership AP action first if only to get a better handle on things before we disrupt all the funding everywhere.
oh, absolutely. It's just something I think Molly and her subjects could benefit from at negligible cost.
As to the grant thing; I think it'd be more interesting to lean into a different theme here.

The thing that frightens the council, that had the potential to be a massive change to the world, isn't the FCF collection of 5 dot sorcerers. It's the Industrialization of magic.

That's a process that took humanity from hand made tools and muscle power to atom bombs in less time than it takes to build up a reasonably skilled wizard.

Leaning into making stuff that can be made at scale would be fun.

Stuff like Talen which are already meant to be mass produced, though with a greater body of effects, or Balefire Flamethrowers which are already effectively the same.
What you saying is true, but I'm not sure how much Molly can benefit from that perspective with her current toolset. What Molly can do is to rapidly create prototypes of beyond cutting edge designs and ideas, utilizing techniques and principles that aren't fully understood of replicable. That's useful, because it turns certain technological challenges from "development" ones into "reverse engineering" ones.

Take Deep Insertion Autonomous Carapace System for example. It's clearly a prototype one-off system that took years, likely decades if not centuries to develop. It's on the cutting edge, if not beyond, of modern military technology, and is a passion project of someone at the top of their field. It is, however, technology. After it's proven, it can be replicated. Molly could make the same or better design and prototype in a month. So, let's assume someone has an idea for some other cutting edge thing. They win a grant. Molly works with them, and the prototype is made within a month, skipping decades of development. They have to reverse engineer some processes, yes, but it's still a massive labour saving.

Also it occurs to me that while normally Molly could probably contribute to the science of history at least with her crown, ironically enough in her own kingdom she likely can't due to the exaltation not being able to see itself.
 
[X] Sure, you'd like to know more of what's down there
-[X] "And what better way than to see it with my own eyes? A walk is best with company you know..."
 
He wasn't down to just 3 health levels when he tried the earthquake. There is a difference between certain and likely death.

@DragonParadox : Are you mostly drawing from the Technocracy when stating our advanced industrial hell? Or I guess Pentex also fits.
  1. Yeah, the dragon would have attempted flight, hell the Earthquake had it worked would have provided him a way out, straight into the center of the city, not like he cared about the masquerade at that point.
  2. I am drawing from both. This is hell-tech, after all
 
I wish there was a more specific sourcebook for the Wicked City.

They imply some interesting helltech in the Thousand Hells book, but the details are left to the GM or players.
 
oh, absolutely. It's just something I think Molly and her subjects could benefit from at negligible cost.

What you saying is true, but I'm not sure how much Molly can benefit from that perspective with her current toolset. What Molly can do is to rapidly create prototypes of beyond cutting edge designs and ideas, utilizing techniques and principles that aren't fully understood of replicable. That's useful, because it turns certain technological challenges from "development" ones into "reverse engineering" ones.

Take Deep Insertion Autonomous Carapace System for example. It's clearly a prototype one-off system that took years, likely decades if not centuries to develop. It's on the cutting edge, if not beyond, of modern military technology, and is a passion project of someone at the top of their field. It is, however, technology. After it's proven, it can be replicated. Molly could make the same or better design and prototype in a month. So, let's assume someone has an idea for some other cutting edge thing. They win a grant. Molly works with them, and the prototype is made within a month, skipping decades of development. They have to reverse engineer some processes, yes, but it's still a massive labour saving.

Also it occurs to me that while normally Molly could probably contribute to the science of history at least with her crown, ironically enough in her own kingdom she likely can't due to the exaltation not being able to see itself.
Well technically she can't even do that; Molly has no science or computer and 2 technology.

We're both getting ahead of ourselves, because Molly isn't Tony Stark.
 
Well technically she can't even do that; Molly has no science or computer and 2 technology.

We're both getting ahead of ourselves, because Molly isn't Tony Stark.
You can design things using craft, it is just in the rules you don't need to specifically have a technology or computer to be able to work out a design even for advanced technology.
 
You can design things using craft, it is just in the rules you don't need to specifically have a technology or computer to be able to work out a design even for advanced technology.
The gadget rules, which are our tech crafting, roll int + (science, technology, or computer). There are other problems with how they do things, but that's a firm indicator that technology does in fact require technology skill.

Which makes sense; someone with less than a high school understanding of physics and engineering shouldn't be able to make a particle accelerator.

Even if there are rules out their saying you can use baseline craft like this they should be ignored; the mechanics are supposed to be an abstraction of ability and being such an amazing blacksmith you make a stealth jet is nonsensical.
 
The gadget rules, which are our tech crafting, roll int + (science, technology, or computer). There are other problems with how they do things, but that's a firm indicator that technology does in fact require technology skill.

Which makes sense; someone with less than a high school understanding of physics and engineering shouldn't be able to make a particle accelerator.

Even if there are rules out their saying you can use baseline craft like this they should be ignored; the mechanics are supposed to be an abstraction of ability and being such an amazing blacksmith you make a stealth jet is nonsensical.
Unless you are literally trying to make a particle collider. If any part of the design you are trying to create has component designs that are accessible you can make it using craft the idea that you need to have the dots of technology or computer are for a completely novel or direct in system designs iterating and creating a platform using craft is literally what craft is supposed to do.

Using craft to iterate on an engine design is literally what you are supposed to do. Using craft to iterate on Modern kind of cludge exoskeleton design is literally what you're supposed to do. You could maybe not design a circuit board or a microprocessor from scratch but there's the thing you really don't have to and crafts can help you if you don't need to do that.
 
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Well technically she can't even do that; Molly has no science or computer and 2 technology.

We're both getting ahead of ourselves, because Molly isn't Tony Stark.
She can make and design prodigies, and mechanical things with craft:mechanics, I think. And prodigies are "near mortal" version of exalted craft, mortal principles taken to extreme excess. I am fairly sure that our guys can get something out of reverse engineering prodigies.
 
I absolutely love this character. Flicker in Moth's Eye is great.

Rather a lot of typos today though :'(
Rather than dive in headhead first, tempting
[...]
a robotic figure sporting sixteen triple jointedtriple-jointed arms tends bar with a speed and efficientlyefficiency that hints more at SUTRA control than heavy augments
[...]
intelectusintellectus
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species of leech in t hethe lower
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One has to be a little excentriceccentric
[...]
The question, so unlike the deluge of panicking apologies you had been bracing to abate, startles a laugh out of you along with the nod.
abate is not per se wrong but it does seem a very odd word choice to me; allay or assuage would seem to fit better. This may well just be a personal thing in which case feel free to ignore me and/or tell me to stfu.
"Guilty as charged,; how d'youhow'd you know?"
"how d'you" = how do you; "how'd you" = how did you; the past tense makes more sense in context.
The two of you leave the bar in companionable silence,; Flick is not the kind of person to fill the air with questions in public in spite of her intense personality. She takes you back to her laboratory,- really the Advanced Thaumic and Biophysics Laboratory, but Flicker in Moth's Eye is the kind of person you want working in her own laboratory
[...]
The artificer-ventures, she would take a plain eingineseerengin(e)seer very poorly,-? makes a face at that.
Have seen both engineseer and enginseer with three and four e's; enginseer is the standard spelling for WH40K Mechanicus, and probably the most common. If eingineseer is intentional- some punning title for a device where the number one is important to its function, perhaps- then I'm quite curious as to what an eingine is.

The sentence as a whole is very unclear; maybe...
"Artificer-Adventuress Flick- she would take a plain 'Enginseer Flick' very poorly- makes a face at that."
"The artificer- you venture she would take being addressed as a plain enginseer very poorly- makes a face at that."
"The artificer-adventuress- she would take the title of plain enginseer very poorly- makes a face at that."
"The artificer, for you venture she would take the title of plain enginseer very poorly, makes a face at that."
"The artificer, for belittling her with the title of a plain enginseer would be taken very poorly, makes a face at that."​
It's not- I didn't realize this until after writing out these possibilities- it's not actually the completely confused nonsense I originally read it as; if you change the titles to
"The doctor- she would take plain missus very poorly- makes a face at that."​
then it becomes clear. However, since they're not capitalized and we the readers don't know if artificer, artificer-adventuress, and/or enginseer are styles (as in, correct honorific styles of address for holders of those titles or qualifications) in-setting or merely job descriptions, the sentence as it stands is...quite confusing.

Also, idk if you have strong feelings one way or another about the Oxford comma, but while the first of these is purely style preference I do think the second one does improve clarity just a touch given the comma after angular. Still 99% style preference. Again, feel free to blow me off and/or ignore me.
away from anything or anyone else that might decompose, decompress, or generally dematerialize.
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Black, featureless, and almost violently angular, the suit looks
 
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[x] Sure, you'd like to know more of what's down there
-[x] "And what better way than to see it with my own eyes? A walk is best with company you know..."
 
  1. Yeah, the dragon would have attempted flight, hell the Earthquake had it worked would have provided him a way out, straight into the center of the city, not like he cared about the masquerade at that point.
  2. I am drawing from both. This is hell-tech, after all
1.Well if he was going to try another earthquake then attacking was the right thing to do.
2. Any thoughts on the BaneFire flamethrowers?
 
1.Well if he was going to try another earthquake then attacking was the right thing to do.
2. Any thoughts on the BaneFire flamethrowers?
  1. This he did have just enough blood points left to try that again yeah, after that he would have gotten a hell of a lot less scary as he could no longer use Celerity actively
  2. I think that you should be able to soak them with powers that can soak agg though most would have to take a +1 to that DC since it is not only fire, but fire made of demon breath
 
Arc 12 Post 11: Uncommon Coffee
Uncommon Coffee

23st of January 2007 A.D.

"Of course, that sounds like a worthy cause as any I have heard," you grant with what you hope is a magnanimous smile. Truth be told you are just glad to have one of 'your people' treat you with respect but without awe. Of course Flick would not be handing her life's work to just anyone, in a sense she is acting as far beyond the norm as the pilgrims who insist on bowing with their forehead against the ground, but this is more faltering than worrying. When she asks to come along and see how the Carapace perform you do not hesitate, wrap her up against the cold on the other side, and prying eyes, grab hold of her shoulders and walk the path upward and outward.

"Lydia this is Flick, Flick this is Lydia, she spoke to the Keepers three moonturns back..." Introductions go surprisingly smoothly aided by the fact Lydia is personable as she is impressive, even over a glass of diet coke —how someone could both prefer diet coke and that burger from earlier is a mystery beyond even your arcane skills— and Olivia is not unaccustomed to the subtle mannerisms of Journey-Folk, the narrowness of the personal space they leave coupled with an aversion to being touched on the hands by those who are not close friends for instance. All in all as a first encounter between the City of Boston and an alien world one could to worse than the back of a little coffee house with a library attached. It's a tourist trap of course, you do not flatter yourself to think you could find 'the authentic Boston experience' in three hours time, but it is at least aimed at a quieter sort of tourist. That or business isn't doing very well.

After finishing the 'Boston Coffee', just on the cusp of being coffee in one's cream rather than the ordinary arrangement you buy and armful of books to go, novels and poetry books, nonfiction classics sprinkled in with a few self help books, Tiffany may want to have a look at the competition after all.

"Census Data Acquired," Clippy speaks in your ear.

Curious about the limits of 'focus' you ask her to dictate the file at you, a process which on the face of it would be absurd, she only gets two people deep in half a minute, but when you aim the eyes upon your Crown to the task they find it.

Eyes might be ears, might be fingers searching, all that matters is that there is a trail to follow.

Lost 1 Essence -> Now at 14/15

Carl Bennet, Nora Long, Silvia Lopez You get a flash of faces, like snapshots out the window of a moving train, all mortal, all with some information about the Well.

Unfortunately the only one you can find anything about on a quick search is Carl who is a first year pharmacology student. He used to stay at Hollis Hall, but the other two are not the right age to be students and do not show up on the staff lists your digital helpers were able to gather. Granted that does not say much, Harvard like every large institution uses contractors and probably subcontractors as well. Question is, what next? Is it worth the delay to track down people who know 'something' when you could just step though and find out potentially so much more.

"Come on, you can't get someone a space suit and then expect her to play Watson to your Holmes," Lydia pleads playfully, though she does get distracted explaining space to a wide-eyed Flick, so it's not like she's going to be bored.

What do you do?

[] Chase down the names on the list

[] Step though the veil and into the Well to find whatever may like on the other side

[] Write in


OOC: A bit short, but it is kind of the nature of the votes you guys made (and not rolling any encounter that would have complicated bringing a cyber-sorcerous explorer to Earth)
 
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