Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

just curious jim butcher has said by the apocalyptic trio that whole masquerade thing yeah thats not gonna be a thing anymore. Is that likely to still be a thing here where eventually we won't have to deal with a masquerade or even if not something that we're likely to actually get to?
 
just curious jim butcher has said by the apocalyptic trio that whole masquerade thing yeah thats not gonna be a thing anymore. Is that likely to still be a thing here where eventually we won't have to deal with a masquerade or even if not something that we're likely to actually get to?

The masquerade is a thing that can be broken beyond repair yes, as to whether it is going to happen Molly has no idea.
 
canonically I mean jim has said by the apocalyptic trio its going to be beyond broken not even really an avoidable thing. the masquerades also a bit lighter on rules than in whitewolf games for instance you can tell people its usually there for their protection and supernatural politics really. Like how whitecouncil can't really afford to deal with mundane politics without dividing itself both in the amount of time they have and in picking sides. Also advantageous for certain groups really since mob tactics can and do work on a lot of the supernatural. whitecouncils not gonna murder and cover up if a random person finds out about the supernatural plenty of mundane people are in the know.

Edit: by battleground a lot more of chicago is just in the know now isn't it?
 
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like we could take a group of mostly mundane people and teach them about stuff for instance and while it might be slightly frowned upon none of the factions are really gonna throw a hissy fit if we don't start fucking around with the masquerade as a whole. plenty of people are in a more middle state like a lot of marcones men.
 
Magic and the Mundane
Magic and the Mundane

As far as you are able to ascertain there is no supernatural force that mandates that the vast majority of humanity should be ignorant of that other world which exists just under the skin of theirs, of the vampires in blood-soaked sheets, of wicked fey sounding the hunting horn or the dead gathering in anticipation of the thinning of the veil. Indeed the degree of separation is not always the same. What is hogwash and superstition to most of the urban sophisticates of Chicago is a lot more reasonable to people living in traditional communities all across the world from the Arctic Russia to equatorial South America.

The age of industry has come, the age of instant communication and travel faster than a speeding bullet, but it does not touch all places equally just as it does not touch all people. What might be considered a dreadful breech in one place may be uncommon but understood in another. Consider what kind of magic you are showing and to whom and how they might react in the context of their beliefs. Even within the same general location like say Chicago a devout Christian, a lapsed Muslim and someone who is interested in New Age spirituality will see the same event in different ways

OK, but the vampires eat people equally, why isn't there a consensus on 'giant bat monster bad' at least? Because the giant bat monsters like it that way and so does everything else that thinks of humanity as a snack or an amusement. Most of the powerful supernatural factions the signatories of the Accords do things that the vast majority of governments and the vast majority of people would find objectionable and so they would rather mankind scoff at tales of vampires and relegate the fey to the realm of Disney Animation. Do note however that a majority of people even in the modern world believe in ghosts. That is because ghosts do not have a voice in those counsels and any clean up after a haunting is far less through than say a vampire killing in a public place.

Looking at it from the other direction what happens when something slips through the net? Say a bunch of burned vampire corpses end up on the table of the local coroner who being really into both the truth and the scientific method calls them for what they are, not human, not animal, nothing known to modern science. Well he almost gets fired from his job as mentally unsound because no one wants to take the chance of being painted with the same brush, of being labeled crazy.

There are people out there trying to bring the weird to the light, the Susan Rodriquez' of the world, but the pay is shit, the hours are long and you get no respect. The people who take those jobs anyway tend to be true believers, though not necessarily with the thoroughness of Waldo Butters, they have their own theories and many if not most of them are nonsense, camouflage for the supernatural that they do not even have to pay for, an early warning system when something is about to blow up. If you read about an actual breach in the Midwestern Arcane you have quite a bit more time to do damage control before any more reputable paper gets into it

So to really break things open you need something big, you need something persistent. It has to stick with the public so hard that the government feels it has to act openly... keeping in mind that most governments know more than they let on . They might know for instance that they would be starting a war with multiple world-spanning conspiracies and what might as well be the Alien Invasion from Tir Nan Og,

So in conclusion it is really really hard to break the masquerade wide open, though you should be careful how hard to poke the veil so as not to get its enforcers on your case.
 
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A lot of factions are more chill if you don't break it as a whole as well. Also lots of factions have plenty of mundane servants and such. There's also the politics with getting involved with mundane governments which a lot of factions can't really afford.

Edit: There are thousands of relatively ordinary people very well in the know throughout the world really.
 
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A lot of factions are more chill if you don't break it as a whole as well. Also lots of factions have plenty of mundane servants and such. There's also the politics with getting involved with mundane governments which a lot of factions can't really afford.

Well yeah, that is because that's not a breech at all. A Red Court Vampire addicting people to their narcotic saliva so they can have a store of victims isn't a breach, that is business as usual. Now of if one of those victims gets out and starts talking about vampires on national television with pictures and documents to back him out, that is a breech.

What matters is what the public sees, not what random humans see.
 
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Well yeah, that is because that's not a breech at all. A Red Court Vampire addicting people to their narcotic saliva so they can have a store of victims isn't a breach, that is business as usual. Now of if one of those victims gets out and starts talking about vampires on natural television with pictures and documents to back him out, that is a breech.

What matters is what the public sees, not what random humans see.
like there are entire mundaneish groups of interest in the know the factions don't mind too much if occasional small groups form well at least not enough to go full nuke this shite. Like marcone having a moderate sized organization of mundanes in the know isn't 100% unique. We could make a cult and not technically be making a breach as a whole a lot will frown at us though.

Edit: Also you can even tell the truth on television as long as most people think your a joke like no one really cared what dresden did on tv cause everyone him included knew he'd be treated as a joke. You can even tell facts on tv and they wont care pretty often.
 
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like there are entire mundaneish groups of interest in the know the factions don't mind too much if occasional small groups form well at least not enough to go full nuke this shite. Like marcone having a moderate sized organization of mundanes in the know isn't 100% unique. We could make a cult and not technically be making a breach as a whole a lot will frown at us though.

Edit: Also you can even tell the truth on television as long as most people think your a joke like no one really cared what dresden did on tv cause everyone him included knew he'd be treated as a joke. You can even tell facts on tv and they wont care pretty often.

It goes bigger than that, the Venatori are guys with guns and books, their only common superpower is knowing stuff and no one makes a fuss as long as they play by the rules when it comes to the rest of the mortals
 
It goes bigger than that, the Venatori are guys with guns and books, their only common superpower is knowing stuff and no one makes a fuss as long as they play by the rules when it comes to the rest of the mortals
Pretty much I assume there are other mostly mundane groups of interest throughout the world and even small communities in rural areas in the know. The various churches probably have a lot of in the know individuals also probably even some of their own supernatural units.
 
14xp That is almost enough to get VED. Which gets us minions, money, contacts, and the ability to remove flaws form people. We could use it to fix Rosie, grant Dresden some money, Get Toot Toot and the other small fey as a spy network, we might even be able to put a white court vampires hunger back to sleep. Some many things.
 
14xp That is almost enough to get VED. Which gets us minions, money, contacts, and the ability to remove flaws form people. We could use it to fix Rosie, grant Dresden some money, Get Toot Toot and the other small fey as a spy network, we might even be able to put a white court vampires hunger back to sleep. Some many things.
is that the one that turns beings into creatures of darkness cause so many wouldn't take that option ever? Also you know mom and dad wouldn't allow us to use it for a while as we've had a demon in our head for a week.
 
Pretty much I assume there are other mostly mundane groups of interest throughout the world and even small communities in rural areas in the know. The various churches probably have a lot of in the know individuals also probably even some of their own supernatural units.

Do keep in mind that not everyone 'in the know' is friends with a wizard and has occult 5. Some people in the know are just in the know about werewolves because the family on the other side of the hill has a history of children with the gift, or they might know about 'psychics' because they went to a run down circus that one time and saw the kid who could no shit start fires with his mind.

is that the one that turns beings into creatures of darkness cause so many wouldn't take that option ever? Also you know mom and dad wouldn't allow us to use it for a while as we've had a demon in our head for a week.

Only after 3 uses, which takes 3 years since you are limited to one use per person per year. Also Molly is not in the habit of asking her parents if she can use her powers.
 
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is that the one that turns beings into creatures of darkness cause so many wouldn't take that option ever? Also you know mom and dad wouldn't allow us to use it for a while as we've had a demon in our head for a week.
Creature of Darkness is not "evil being" or "corrupted being". it was a very specific thing in Creation, and even translated to modern cosmology it's not inherently bad. I mean, Molly is a Creature of Darkness. And yet Uriel does not direct Michael to fight her.
 
Do keep in mind that not everyone 'in the know' is friends with a wizard and has occult 5. Some people in the know are just in the know about werewolves because the family on the other side of the hill has a history of children with the gift, or they might know about 'psychics' because they went to a run down circus that one time and saw the kid who could no shit start fires with his mind.



Only after 3 uses, which takes 3 years since you are limited to one use per person per year. Also Molly is not in the habit of asking her parents if she can use her powers.
Oh yeah I figured though some groups are probably far more well informed I assume almost no one is fully informed though. Offhand what kind of occult and academics does the archive have for this kind of stuff? Its gotta be past a 5 right?
 
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Creature of Darkness is not "evil being" or "corrupted being". it was a very specific thing in Creation, and even translated to modern cosmology it's not inherently bad. I mean, Molly is a Creature of Darkness. And yet Uriel does not direct Michael to fight her.
That does not help as much as you think it should. Also you know we might literally be condemning them to one of the hells when they die as far as I know.
 
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