Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)
- Thread starter DragonParadox
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Given that it was using magic of a kind that gave Harry a -1 to dispel because of being Starborn I am not even going to make Molly roll to realize it was possessed by an Outsider, serving as a relay of its power. It is also clearly a vampire. Other than that it's going to take either deep study of the remains later or a Crown question on it.
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- Germany
Counterspelling is luckily not all-or-nothing.
Even if the thing had come through with one success, it's unlikely that would have caused a lot of damage.
Even if the thing had come through with one success, it's unlikely that would have caused a lot of damage.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
Fortunately, it looks like we rolled over a tarpit that was designed to force us to either burn our Shintai or keep us pinned for an extended period of time, by dint of bringing a squad of Deus Ex characters with laser guns nobody anticipated with us.
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Do we know how it was summoned cause like mortals are needed to call outsiders.
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- Germany
Sandra is mortal.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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At the very least this pen should be a reagent for future splendors.
The Red Court manages it too somehow. You would have to see one of them do it to roll occult to guess the mechanism. Neither Molly nor Tiffany have that knowledge inherently, the first because it has to do with new-fangled metaphysics and the second because Lasciel did not consider it relevant to copy over.
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[X] Do not ask, move on
Issue for later, now murder.
Issue for later, now murder.
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Fairly sure outsider possessed can't summon more outsiders. Because by most metrics as far as I know their no longer a mortal who can call on outsiders.
We know how they do it in canon though they get mortals to do it for them and half reds and such? Have you changed the underlying rules of the setting enough this is no longer true?
- Sandra isn't possessed, she is just on their side. Harry would have notice possession, heck Molly would have notice possession by Outsiders as a baby wizard, that tends to be quite obvious.
- Do we? I thought the White Council did not know and was quite worried? Do you have a source on that?
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Why do you think Sandra is possessed?
We have no reason to believe so, so far.
Outsiders need a competent mortal here, so she stays mortal.
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I mean isn't it obvious the rules say only mortals can do it? Reds have plenty of mortal slaves and half reds. Like you would need to change part of the setting to make it so that wasn't true right?
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Yeah that's fair my bad I thought she'd been infected.
Maybe the rules as Harry understands them are not quite as airtight, Harry tends is far from omniscient and this is pretty dark and esoteric lore that wizards of the Council are not encouraged to study for very good reason
Oh you thought she was possessed by Nemesis? Molly is sure she is not that since she had to ask Meave (infected at the time) for counsel the old fashioned way. If she were infected with Nemesis none of that would have been needed.
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Fairly sure it's just general council knowledge. That only mortal magic can summon outsiders. I don't know why you would change that from canon. There's an easily found reason for why reds could do it they have a bunch of mortals to do it.
It is at the very least what the Council teaches young wizards, that does not necessarily mean it is the objective state of reality. Newtonian Physics was all the rage back in the day I heard but Mercury would not behave
BoredMan
Maintaining the Agenda is our top priority
I'm really glad we brought the troops with us instead of saving them for later that was way too close.
Any idea what the hell this was?
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I just find it disappointing you changed what is almost definitely just fact for the purposes of essentially booosting the enemies and upending the setting. Because if you make it so non humans have a way to do it that essentially means any fucking group could possibly do it. Especially when there was an easy answer involved.It is at the very least what the Council teaches young wizards, that does not necessarily mean it is the objective state of reality. Newtonian Physics was all the rage back in the day I heard but Mercury would not behave
That is how it having an unholy amount of HL manifested, it altered the physics that would have seen it sliced and pierced.
Just because the orbit of Mercury is weird does not mean Newtonian physics does not describe the universe pretty well to human scale, it is at the very least very unusual for something beside a mortal to summon an Outsider. Or who knows maybe Harry is right, if you want to know which is which investigate, that is kind of the point of a quest.
Modus_Tollens
SCREAMING AT THE APOCALYPSE
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- ALSO SCREAMING.
Huh. Symbolic items for the locale, it seems. Or items of metaphysical value to someone. Interesting.
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Like this basically artificially inflates outsider problems from manageable to any evil group being able to pump out outsiders if they're nihilistic or stupid enough. It's not a fun change either as far as I'm concerned it basically just makes the setting harder and makes it so things are difficult and infeasible to have survived so long.
I'm kind of debating this as a quest decision like you can do what you want but there isn't really anything that lends credibility to this in canon. The easy guess is that the reds used some of the many mortals under them or half reds working for them to summon outsiders.
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