Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

…Oh FUCK.

Are any strategic bombers based out of Nellis (to general knowledge)?
I really hope that she doesn't have (even limited) access to (whether through mind control or through mere theft, though the former is far more likely) that terrible arsenal.

Edit:
Quoting the Nellis AFB website (though this is modern not period)
Nellis is Tactical Air.
No ICBMs, no nuclear cruise missiles, no strategic strike aircraft.
If she was after nuclear officers, she'd be in a different state.

It's clear that the closer we get to Final Dusk the worse the city is going to get. I think its time to stop making decisions with "we still have time" in mind.
In Dead Beat, Chicago lost power for 2-3 days, radios and newer technology stopped working or started having difficulty, and there were National Guard called out on the streets.
That was just a year and half ago.

Dont panic. This is within expected phenomena.
[X] Tell Harrowmont to get away from there now
-[X] Have Clippy arrange for an anonymous bomb threat to be made on campus to encourage a rapid evacuation.
Dont do this.
Its been explicitly stated that doing this will help Sandra by pumping up the chaos and sense of fear necessary for big black magic rituals. And we know that this canonically makes it easier for big magic rituals.


Its a weekend, so the campuses dont have many people anyway.
Personal check, THEN decide if its necessary to call.
 
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We can circle back for this later assuming the government doesn't see to it first when the army rolls in.

[X] Tell Harrowmont to get away from there now
-[X] Have Clippy arrange for an anonymous bomb threat to be made on campus to encourage a rapid evacuation.
 
When? You're not in the quote chain I was replying to, which was specifically about counter spell and unweaving.

In any case, just having mana manipulation seems like the basic buy in. You should still need access and some time to work a counter up to avoid functionally the same problem.
I'm pretty sure I was like the second or first one to mention a counter spell/magic awareness option I think it's like the third post after the chapter. Second the third power in Mana manipulation allows you to grab Mana within an area and twisted which means if you just grab all of the Mana in a city using your insane dice pool and then twist it in a completely chaotic manner you can break every enchantment within an area yes that's a horrific idea but you could do it. So it's not so much a counter spell as it is a counter RIP just rip everything in the area to pieces.
 
[X] Tell Harrowmont to get away from there now
-[X] Have Clippy arrange for an anonymous bomb threat to be made on campus to encourage a rapid evacuation.
[X] Tell Harrowmont to get away from there now
-[X] Have Clippy arrange for an anonymous bomb threat to be made on campus to encourage a rapid evacuation.
Literally less than 30 seconds to get to the boiler room and make a personal spotcheck.
RVD + the water systems of a city = Effective teleportation.
 
We can circle back for this later assuming the government doesn't see to it first when the army rolls in.

[X] Tell Harrowmont to get away from there now
-[X] Have Clippy arrange for an anonymous bomb threat to be made on campus to encourage a rapid evacuation.
We know Sandra's clique were doing shit here. There are three potential outcomes:
  • Its a component for Sandra's ritual, so fucking with it makes her ritual harder
  • It used to be a lab that got hit by one or more native Vegas spirits/elementals who didnt like what they saw, and checking will get us allies or information
  • Its a complete nonsequitur, which is unlikely given the description.

Ignoring this is a bad idea. Especially since it only costs us seconds to check it out.

Calling an anonymous bomb threat with no evidence is also a bad idea, since it will exacerbate the aura of chaos that Sandra is trying to build up.
AND it will divert bomb crews from actual bomb sites, like the bomb truck outside the Pallbearer Temple.
 
In Dead Beat, Chicago lost power for 2-3 days, radios and newer technology stopped working or started having difficulty, and there were National Guard called out on the streets.
That was just a year and half ago.

Dont panic.
If that shit was happening in quest and we were in Chicago at the time I'd be advocating for people to move fast too. We don't know whats down the grapevine acting with haste makes sense.

Though if it'll take less than a minute and we should get essence regen I'm willing to just so we know more of her plans.

[X] Go alone with Rendered Villain Dispersal
-[X] Tell Harrowmont to get out of there immediately and you'll meet him outside the room/building
-[X] Crown question: Focus boiler room scene: Significance/connection of this to Sandra's plans
 
It really is.
Doable, that is, for an Exalt who is intiated into Ancient Sorcery, has Occult 5 as a Key Ability and can call on multiple DC adjusters. It doesnt mean doable for many other people.

Something like this is going to be at least 20 successes, probably more. Extended Rolls will be necessary to break it.

Because Molly has Occult as Key, 1s do not subtract successes from her Int+Occult rolls.
For other people, 1s do, and a botch destroys the entire Unweaving attempt.
Then to be utterly unfair, Molly gets to throw in an Excellency.

Even if unweaving works like that in WoD or ExWoD, which I doubt from looking at the rules for efforts more active than personal resistance, it shouldn't do so here. The DF never shows this sort of thing or implies it's possible.The best it has is warding and esoteric cases where someone gets magic resistance.

Nobody heard about the ritual in changes and went "let's get the senior council to set up a counter ritual". Odin, who taught Merlin magic and personally showed up for the fight at the end, didn't even mention the idea or appear to prepare anything in that direction with his cabal of high power mages.

When it went off precisely zero vampires anywhere on the planet or reachable areas of the nevernever survived, regardless of personal ability or patron's protection. This including all the people who actually put it together and knew exactly where its weak points would be.

That was a very powerful ritual, but it was also basically the red king killing mortals in a place of power he had for centuries to build up strength behind a punch. It wasn't revolutionarily clever or anything.

If "I have twenty occult dice and a relevant specialization" was enough to play counter magic games at this level then we'd see it used outside of fixed fortifications and direct interrupts of the force shield vs fire blast variety.

I'm not saying they're impossible to break, or that instantaneous defense shouldn't be possible, just casually undoing things like this with mortal magical traditions and no prep.

The difference is between a master sorcerer snuffing a ritual in line at Starbucks and the same person surviving until they can get to their fortified leyline nexus or what have you to fire back.
 
[X] Go alone with Rendered Villain Dispersal
-[X] Tell Harrowmont to get out of there immediately and you'll meet him outside the room/building
-[X] Crown question: Focus boiler room scene: Significance/connection of this to Sandra's plans

I know they say what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, but this might be a bit much.
 
If that shit was happening in quest and we were in Chicago at the time I'd be advocating for people to move fast too. We don't know whats down the grapevine acting with haste makes sense.

Though if it'll take less than a minute and we should get essence regen I'm willing to just so we know more of her plans.
The problem with magic is that blundering in without knowing what is going on can make shit worse.
Or worse, might actually be part of your enemy's plan.

Even if unweaving works like that in WoD or ExWoD, which I doubt from looking at the rules for efforts more active than personal resistance, it shouldn't do so here. The DF never shows this sort of thing or implies it's possible.The best it has is warding and esoteric cases where someone gets magic resistance.

Nobody heard about the ritual in changes and went "let's get the senior council to set up a counter ritual". Odin, who taught Merlin magic and personally showed up for the fight at the end, didn't even mention the idea or appear to prepare anything in that direction with his cabal of high power mages.

When it went off precisely zero vampires anywhere on the planet or reachable areas of the nevernever survived, regardless of personal ability or patron's protection. This including all the people who actually put it together and knew exactly where its weak points would be.

That was a very powerful ritual, but it was also basically the red king killing mortals in a place of power he had for centuries to build up strength behind a punch. It wasn't revolutionarily clever or anything.

If "I have twenty occult dice and a relevant specialization" was enough to play counter magic games at this level then we'd see it used outside of fixed fortifications and direct interrupts of the force shield vs fire blast variety.

I'm not saying they're impossible to break, or that instantaneous defense shouldn't be possible, just casually undoing things like this with mortal magical traditions and no prep.

The difference is between a master sorcerer snuffing a ritual in line at Starbucks and the same person surviving until they can get to their fortified leyline nexus or what have you to fire back.
Unweaving undoes a standing magical effect.
Like unpicking a ward, or a curse, or a magical trap. Thats all Unweaving.
You roll Intelligence + Occult at DC8, extended rolls.


Something like the Chitchen Itza blood ritual was an instant effect, and you counter instant effects with Counterspell.
You would have gotten a single (reflexive)roll of Wits + Occult at DC8.
No Extended Rolls. Essentially the same thing that night people use to represent magic resistance.

Dresden did something like this in Blood Rites, when he parried/countered an incoming entropy spell, then used it to kill a Blampire.


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Now a ritual like Chitchen Itza stacked up tens, or hundreds of successes. It was a group ritual, with many sorcerers involved.
There were hundreds of human sacrifices to prime it, and it was powered by a leyline nexus.
A bona fide legendary ritual according to Odin.

Your Celestial Exalt's counterspell pool of 20 dice will weaken it, but it wont actually make any material difference if you get hit with 190 successes worth of damage as opposed to 200 successes.
For something like that, you need either antishaping or a PD.
 
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[X] Go alone with Rendered Villain Dispersal
-[X] Tell Harrowmont to get out of there immediately and you'll meet him outside the room/building
-[X] Crown question: Focus boiler room scene: Significance/connection of this to Sandra's plans



Your Celestial Exalt's counterspell pool of 20 dice will weaken it, but it wont actually make any material difference if you get hit with 190 successes worth of damage as opposed to 200 successes.
For something like that, you need either antishaping or a PD.
That… actually makes a whole lot of sense.
 
[X] Go alone with Rendered Villain Dispersal
-[X] Tell Harrowmont to get out of there immediately and you'll meet him outside the room/building
-[X] Crown question: Focus boiler room scene: Significance/connection of this to Sandra's plans
 
[X] Go alone with Rendered Villain Dispersal
-[X] Tell Harrowmont to get out of there immediately and you'll meet him outside the room/building
-[X] Crown question: Focus boiler room scene: Significance/connection of this to Sandra's plans
 
Calling an anonymous bomb threat with no evidence is also a bad idea, since it will exacerbate the aura of chaos that Sandra is trying to build up.
AND it will divert bomb crews from actual bomb sites, like the bomb truck outside the Pallbearer Temple.

Speaking of the temple in particular, the bomb truck would be rather hard to set off or dispose of, there is an spirit fashioned in the guise of the Egyptian goddess of Vengeance stalking around it like the angry cat she somewhat resembles.
 
There isn't a lot of counterspelling on more than personal defence level in WoD.

Mages can do it with their freeform skills, but aside from that everyone is pretty limited.

Ancient Sorcery has no counterspell.
Blood Magic only has counterspelling for effects aimed directly at you, or very close.
Look on the bright side that means that when we get Endless Torment Emanation which is basically just a better version of this it will be even harder to counter.
 
This might be a distraction, but its discovery is unlikely to have been planned. So...

[X] Go alone with Rendered Villain Dispersal
-[X] Tell Harrowmont to get out of there immediately and you'll meet him outside the room/building
-[X] Crown question: Focus boiler room scene: Significance/connection of this to Sandra's plans

Also, on large scale counter-spelling... @DragonParadox as I understand Exalted (meta)physics all things, from the smallest shoot of grass, to the largest most complex political parties and other abstract things, have gods attached to them that can affect them in some way. Does this still hold for this iteration of Creation? Because as one possible way into counter-spelling large scale effects would be to summon the god of the effect, and then MiM it, or just intimidate it into lifting the effect.

Essentially, rather than direct counter-spelling, I am looking at attacking the magic effect. It is magic. It exists. Therefore, a determined exalt can kill it. Or curse it.
 
Actually, I just thought of a very good reason we shouldn't leave for even a second:

The entropic curse.

Its very nature means that no matter when we leave, no matter how ling we do so, it will be the worst possible time and our allies will need our help at this very instant.

Just kill Sandra, the best crowd control is always death.
 
[X] Tell Harrowmont to get away from there now
-[X] Have Clippy arrange for an anonymous bomb threat to be made on campus to encourage a rapid evacuation.
 
[X] Go alone with Rendered Villain Dispersal
-[X] Tell Harrowmont to get out of there immediately and you'll meet him outside the room/building
-[X] Crown question: Focus boiler room scene: Significance/connection of this to Sandra's plans
 
I don't think a detour like that will stay at literal minutes.

Better to go for the source of it all, Sandra, and then clean up the details later.
 
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