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Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

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uju32 said:
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Let me be clear here: if a set of mundanes really wanted to kill Michael's family and they didnt have angelic protection?
None of this would help.
Bulletproof gear is not going to do much about people throwing grenades and firing RPGs.

It wont do anything about car bombs parked outside the house. Or pipe bombs under their car.
Nothing about getting run over by a car as school was let out.
It wont do anything about a gas leak and an initiator to blow the house up, or just to poison everyone in their sleep.

It wont stop them blowing up the church on Sunday when everyone goes to service.
Or setting the school on fire and locking the fire safety doors.
I could go on.

Molly is a bad bitch and would survive. Everyone else would die.
There is a reason I refer to layered protection. Most of the defenses around the Carpenter family you will never even see, because when they are working correctly everything looks fine.
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I figured wards that protect against said things exist though being honest I don't know enough about exalted to say. Also what your saying is fair though again I figured wards, barriers, just supernatural materials, and permanent charms? Like stuff that blocks stuff permanently beneath a threshold? is it just not stuff infernal exalted usually have I figure alchemicals are bullshit with building stuff right?
 
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firefrog600 said:
I figured wards that protect against said things exist though being honest I don't know enough about exalted to say. Also what your saying is fair though again I figured wards, barriers, just supernatural materials, and permanent charms? Like stuff that blocks stuff permanently beneath a threshold? is it just not stuff infernal exalted usually have I figure alchemicals are bullshit with building stuff right?
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For DF purposes you can do a lot with wards, but complicated ones take a lot of skill and active maintenance to keep running. I suspect a scheme covering all those dangers would be expensive, complicated, and spread so thin it can't do any particular job that well.

One thing Dresden does mention that other wizards do with wards but he never got into is contingent summons. As in, you make a deal with or dominate a spirit and when conditions like "broke layer one of the defenses" are triggered the ward pulls the thing out of wherever it's hiding.

Applying demons to the problem is a pretty on brand move for infernals, so having contingent summon X creature(s) for Y problem would probably be the most effective and thematic solution to such a wide variety of problems. If a touch awkward of one when we start engraving pentagrams on things, or our demonic carbon monoxide alarm runs into an angel in the break room.

All that said, I agree with @uju32 here, if it was easy the Denarians would absolutely do it.

My bet is that the first and most effective layer of defense is that the white god puts the name of anyone who goes after the family of a knight on a List; then gives himself permission to play by more Old Testament rules with them. Or something to that effect anyway.

You'd have to be dumb or crazy to test that. Unless you're a fey monster who thinks they smell a loophole, in which case you just have to be arrogant and greedy.

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firefrog600 said:
I figured wards that protect against said things exist though being honest I don't know enough about exalted to say. Also what your saying is fair though again I figured wards, barriers, just supernatural materials, and permanent charms? Like stuff that blocks stuff permanently beneath a threshold? is it just not stuff infernal exalted usually have I figure alchemicals are bullshit with building stuff right?
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Only so many things you can simultaneously guard against. If your enemy is willing to reach for a big enough hammer, you're fucked. Even a Senior Council member like Petrovich got his house swarmed despite decades of wards and lots of mage defenders.
Duke Ortega's wife was a sorceress, and his home defenses were commensurate with being a big Player in the Red Court.

Didnt save them when McCoy dropped a satellite on the estate and wiped it out.

During Dead Beat zombies attacked Dresden's apartment, but couldnt get past the door and wards.
The next time someone attacked Dresden at home, during the events of Changes? They just firebombed his house.
Burned down the entire building. Forced him to flee out where they could get at him.

People are squishy. Defenses have limits.
 
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Noting that the Carpenters' protection seems waived when they choose to involve themselves. Pure vanilla mortals could, but we've never seen supernaturally directed mortals have a go at it, without coincidentally crashing into another supernatural and ruining their entire plot as a side effect.

I.e. the only actual threat is Carpenters themselves, followed by Marcone.
 
uju32 said:
Only so many things you can simultaneously guard against. If your enemy is willing to reach for a big enough hammer, you're fucked. Even a Senior Council member like Petrovich got his house swarmed despite decades of wards and lots of mage defenders.
Duke Ortega's wife was a sorceress, and his home defenses were commensurate with being a big Player in the Red Court.

Didnt save them when McCoy dropped a satellite on the estate and wiped it out.

During Dead Beat zombies attacked Dresden's apartment, but couldnt get past the door and wards.
The next time someone attacked Dresden at home, during the events of Changes? They just firebombed his house.
Burned down the entire building. Forced him to flee out where they could get at him.

People are squishy. Defenses have limits.
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in fairness I was talking about exalted defenses not that I know too much about them I figure there's a defense for just about everything then again I realize there is a defense for just about everything which means you've got to make defenses for just about everything which probably isn't very efficient or doable or cheap.
BronzeTongue said:
For DF purposes you can do a lot with wards, but complicated ones take a lot of skill and active maintenance to keep running. I suspect a scheme covering all those dangerous would be good expensive, complicated, and spread so thin it can't do any particular job that well.

One thing Dresden does mention that other wizards do with wards but he never got into is contingent summons. As in, you make a deal with or dominate a spirit and when conditions like "broke layer one of the defenses" are triggered the ward pulls the thing out of wherever it's hiding.

Applying demons to the problem is a pretty on brand move for infernals, so having contingent summon X creature(s) for Y problem would probably be the most effective and thematic solution to such a wide variety of problems. If a touch awkward of one when we start engraving pentagrams on things, or our demonic carbon monoxide alarm runs into an angel in the break room.

All that said, I agree with @uju32 here, if it was easy the Denarians would absolutely do it.

My bet is that the first and most effective layer of defense is that the white god puts the name of anyone who goes after the family of a knight on a List; then gives himself permission to play by more Old Testament rules with them. Or something to that effect anyway.

You'd have to be dumb or crazy to test that. Unless you're a fey monster who thinks they smell a loophole, in which case you just have to be arrogant and greedy.
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yeah I was talking exalted defenses simply cause molly doesn't know shit about dresden files wards much less able to use them or are we willing to put exp into them.
veekie said:
Noting that the Carpenters' protection seems waived when they choose to involve themselves. Pure vanilla mortals could, but we've never seen supernaturally directed mortals have a go at it, without coincidentally crashing into another supernatural and ruining their entire plot as a side effect.

I.e. the only actual threat is Carpenters themselves, followed by Marcone.
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also payed thugs its a literal plot point where their house got shot up. heck payed thugs or hitmen isn't even just a purely fuck michael thing plenty of factions employ it due to wards, not breaking specific agreements to the letter and not the spirit, wanting as many intermediaries as possible, not being able to work past thresholds, heck even wanting to get their enemies to have to deal with mundane politics while knowing they can't just eat the mundane cops like wizards having to deal with the government.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
For DF purposes you can do a lot with wards, but complicated ones take a lot of skill and active maintenance to keep running. I suspect a scheme covering all those dangerous would be good expensive, complicated, and spread so thin it can't do any particular job that well.

One thing Dresden does mention that other wizards do with wards but he never got into is contingent summons. As in, you make a deal with or dominate a spirit and when conditions like "broke layer one of the defenses" are triggered the ward pulls the thing out of wherever it's hiding.

Applying demons to the problem is a pretty on brand move for infernals, so having contingent summon X creature(s) for Y problem would probably be the most effective and thematic solution to such a wide variety of problems. If a touch awkward of one when we start engraving pentagrams on things, or our demonic carbon monoxide alarm runs into an angel in the break room.

All that said, I agree with @uju32 here, if it was easy the Denarians would absolutely do it.

My bet is that the first and most effective layer of defense is that the white god puts the name of anyone who goes after the family of a knight on a List; then gives himself permission to play by more Old Testament rules with them. Or something to that effect anyway.

You'd have to be dumb or crazy to test that. Unless you're a fey monster who thinks they smell a loophole, in which case you just have to be arrogant and greedy.
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Essentially this.
Molly's greatest contribution to the defense of La Casa Carpenter is making it very well known that MAD rules are in effect, and she will go Old Testament on anyone who tries.

Its the same strategy that Dresden has employed for the defense of Chicago, and of his students.
Of the ghouls who attacked his training camp and killed a couple teenagers, the ones he captured he mutilated one and sent it home with a message threatening to wipe them out if they took such a contract again.

The other he buried up to its neck in the desert next to an anthill and then poured orange juice on its head.
It took other wizards to talk him down to just summary execution.

Her next greatest contribution is to hire a bunch of minions to watch the place and the places the family members frequent.

Whether she contracts with wyldfae like Toot-Toot, binds several flocks of crows and rats to be her eyes and ears, or summons some spirits, just having them watching a several block radius around the house and raising the alarm ahead of Bad Guys drastically mitigates any potential threat.

Especially if she is in Chicago as well, and can reach the area fast.
 
uju32 said:
Essentially this.
Molly's greatest contribution to the defense of La Casa Carpenter is making it very well known that MAD rules are in effect, and she will go Old Testament on anyone who tries.

Its the same strategy that Dresden has employed for the defense of Chicago, and of his students.
Of the ghouls who attacked his training camp and killed a couple teenagers, the ones he captured he mutilated one and sent it home with a message threatening to wipe them out if they took such a contract again.

The other he buried up to its neck in the desert next to an anthill and then poured orange juice on its head.
It took other wizards to talk him down to just summary execution.

Her next greatest contribution is to hire a bunch of minions to watch the place and the places the family members frequent.

Whether she contracts with wyldfae like Toot-Toot, binds several flocks of crows and rats to be her eyes and ears, or summons some spirits, just having them watching a several block radius around the house and raising the alarm ahead of Bad Guys drastically mitigates any potential threat.

Especially if she is in Chicago as well, and can reach the area fast.
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ah yeah the angels are not scouts they have a job and they do it to the letter and spirit when their allowed. So scouts we can have help would be nice there are plenty 'dark' beings that aren't really evil like spirits that just prefer dark scary areas to live in or fey who while not mortals would be perfectly happy being given pizza forever and will risk their lives for it. Also dresden files a world where pretty much all myth exists to some extent its just all fits in the cosmology in some way and isn't separate. Heck there are fear eater type evil beings which we could get working for us who just live off minor scares for example.
 
uju32 said:
Like I said, the level of direct and indirect defenses around that family are well beyond our capabilities, and its not limited to their house.Chance manipulation like that does not happen by mistake.

The fact that the family has come under attack at least three times in five years(Kravos, Fetches, Hobgoblins) without actual damage should tell you just how well protected they are. And noone has managed to successfully hit them while they are at school, or in church, or somewhere nice and vulnerable either.

Not all protection involves big flashy bodyguards and obvious measures. Especially when you're dealing with Dresdenverse angels.

1) Dragons:

2)As far as I am aware, and as it has been described, Dragon is not a Mantle, its a species.
A type of person. Only so many Great Dragons existed, and there dont seem to be any replacements of the dead, or anyone inheriting their roles or power.

3)We dont know anything about what their fight was like. With the Sword of Love in the mix, you really cant assume anything, since its explicitly the role of a Sword to balance the scales for its wielder. Whether that means forcing Siriothrax into humanoid form, or turning Michael into a discount Saber throwing Excaliblasts, or a knockoff Sidereal.

4) Thats a problem for other people who need to git gud. Molly's an Infernal.

She has disguise charms to look like other people, including fae, stealth charms to move unnoticed, and survival charms to travel comfortably and fed in the wilderness, with or without a party. She has got charms for crossing into the Nevernever, and Exalted Sorcery for doing opening portals.

We can take a car or bike or SUV across the Ways to make our travel faster if we are travelling with a party.
Or we can unlock Flight and fly if we're alone.

5)Michael doesnt need better antimagic armor; thats what the Sword is for.
Better ordinary armor maybe, but you dont need magic or enchantments for that. And its more for Molly's peace of mind than anything else.

If you look at the other knights we have seen? Sanya has been rolling around in a bulletproof vest and nothing more for at least five years that we know, Sword in one hand and AK in the other. Shiro wore no armor whatsoever prior to his death that I can recall. Butters doesnt have heavy armor that I know of as of Cold Days.

Each Knight does what they're comfortable with. And it seems to work out for them. Kinda like the paradigm of a Mage.

6)I cant really say.
Exalted yes, but in ExWoD those sorts of tool bonuses doesnt seem to apply that I've seen in the book.
Could be wrong of course.

7)Little Chicago was a masterwork of sympathetic magic, with samples taken from all over Chicago incorporated into its structure.
And yet for all that time and investment, Dresden uses it to find stuff, not to perform realtime surveillance of locations of interest at will. You're asking for something closer to a Palantir from LoTR, and I dont know if thats even doable.
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1) I think I see where you are coming from. Is it this part? "a semi-divine being who was once given authority over various portions of the mortal universe, and who was responsible for their orderly procession. "
2) Dragons are a species obviously, yes. The question is their domain, the thing they were in charge of.
4) Why waste XP on charms to do stuff when we can make tools that use the same principle? It's a question of economy. Plus, you know, utility. That we might be able to obtain abilities that do the same thing, even do it better, doesn't mean that we don't benefit from having tools / artifacts that help us in that thing.
5) MIchael ends up seriously injured on the job. "God looks out for those who look out for themselves" and all that. We absolutely can, and should, provide him with better equipment.
7) Not really. At least that's not what I am "asking" for. I am suggesting that a dragon's remains could be used to create great scrying tool for objects conceptually linked with said dragon's (past) domain. What type of scrying that will be is a separate question.
 
uju32 said:
Michael has been a Knight of the Cross for more than twenty years. His residence is public knowledge.
They have had ample opportunity to do so.
So why havent they?

Perhaps its because "coincidence" has always seemed to favor their safety and survival.

Like Dresden saving pregnant Charity's life from Kravos. Or everyone making it to a panic room when fetches attacked the house, or Dresden being in town to go save Molly from Arctis Tor, or just happening to be at their house at the same time that a bunch of hobgoblins attacked, or literally giving Butters a lightsaber when Nicky attempted to attack.

We arent going to be capable of matching the comprehensiveness of the direct and indirect protections on that family for a long, long time, if ever.
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Getting everyone inside your world-soul would be safer than the mortal world at least when it comes to direct attack. It might be a bit tricky to actually get them all to go for it. :V

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DragonParadox said:
Getting everyone inside your world-soul would be safer than the mortal world at least when it comes to direct attack. It might be a bit tricky to actually get them all to go for it. :V

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    -[X] Be open: "I guessed the surface of the reasons for your reactions to me doing magic and..." *gesture to self* "all this, and I asked dad about it. He told me a how he met you, from his perspective. It was really bad and I'm glad you're ok now and... thank you. For everything. For protecting me, for being my mom." *smiles, trying not to tear up* "You breaking down those doors with a warhammer is the most badass thing I've ever seen. I love you". *gib hug*
    [X] Continue the account of the day for one or more of your siblings
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asking our dad to be inside us and then asking for the rest of them to join in is uh well probably a very awkward moment.

So guys just having bad ideas right now there any exalted powers where you eat, absorb, repurpose, learn from, get stronger from evil entities? Cause demonreach is right there and its minimum security level has pseudo demigod skinwalker bullshit and plenty of dark gods and immortals and probably peers or superiors to mab in the worst levels. Just eat demonreach. :p
 
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CorruptedKing said:
Does demonreach count as a creature of darkness?
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there is demonreach the island, demonreach the prison, and demonreach the genius loci. So yes? Like butchers been clear there is so much evil and dark energies radiating out of it that its infected the very ley lines. Its possibly the single greatest font of dark shit in the entire setting its 100% the greatest font we know of.

watched a video today where a fan asked what would happen if they rebuilt little chicago on demonreach jim butcher laughed and basically said it'd do bad things as the very land is radiating evil and dark energies. He also said not even harrys dumb enough to do that.

Edit: the genius loci seems to not be corrupted at least as far as we know though.
 
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Yog said:
1) I think I see where you are coming from. Is it this part? "a semi-divine being who was once given authority over various portions of the mortal universe, and who was responsible for their orderly procession. "
2) Dragons are a species obviously, yes. The question is their domain, the thing they were in charge of.
4) Why waste XP on charms to do stuff when we can make tools that use the same principle? It's a question of economy. Plus, you know, utility. That we might be able to obtain abilities that do the same thing, even do it better, doesn't mean that we don't benefit from having tools / artifacts that help us in that thing.
5) MIchael ends up seriously injured on the job. "God looks out for those who look out for themselves" and all that. We absolutely can, and should, provide him with better equipment.
7) Not really. At least that's not what I am "asking" for. I am suggesting that a dragon's remains could be used to create great scrying tool for objects conceptually linked with said dragon's (past) domain. What type of scrying that will be is a separate question.
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1)Yes, that.

2) It was a job, not a domain.
The power was not in the office, or a mantle associated with the office, it was in the Dragon.
Thats why we're interested in the corpse and the hoard.

4)Because you only get plot-protection for crafted items by buying them with XP.
Otherwise you can lose them, or forget them, or more. We dont lose charms, or forget to bring them with us, and they are applicable to a lot more use cases.

Each has its place.

5)But he didnt die.

In Small Favor, Michael took a full magazine of 7.62mm Kalashnikov fire at less than 10 feet away, while dangling from a helicopter harness over Lake Michigan at night, and he still lived to retire. The bullets didnt kill him, he didnt fall into the lake and drown or bleed to death before getting to a hospital.

He didnt die.

Do you realize precisely how much bullshit goes into that? At that range that caliber will go through ESAPI plates, even.
There is no mundane armor that will protect you from that type of fire at that sort of range.
Forget it. Noone designs for that sort of use case.

And if you make magic armor, the Denarians will make magic bullets.
Or pass out more antimateriel rifles and RPGs, because they are cheaper.

7)And Im saying thats not how magic seems to work in the Dresdenverse.
Mab doesnt get to scry everywhere its cold, or everywhere its winter.
DragonParadox said:
Getting everyone inside your world-soul would be safer than the mortal world at least when it comes to direct attack. It might be a bit tricky to actually get them all to go for it. :V
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Lol.
CorruptedKing said:
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Probably. But it packs enough supernatural clout that I dont think it makes a difference in our ability to social it.

What you should be asking is whether White Court Vampires and the half-vampire members of the Fellowship of St Giles count as creatures of darkness. Because the 1 dot charm Mercy in Servitude allows us to remove their vulnerability to their inner Hunger, while allowing them to keep their superpowers.
 
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Honestly unsure if demonreach would imprison us on some fundamental level we're still a mortal like not that we know demonreach has any rules for mortals, two it at least doesn't immediately trap beings of darkness which mab definitely is though it can, three not sure I want to find out demonreaches approach to us anytime soon. Funnily we'd be a very good warden for demonreach since we are likely immune to some of the almost definitely existing corrupting affects of living anywhere near said prison and are a mortal who can project power freely along with our free will.
 
Demonreach can apparently imprison Mab and Mab-tier entities.
It can certainly imprison us.
At least, as we are now.

It was designed to be Occult Supermax. And it does its job very, very well.
There's more than nine thousand inmates in the high security wing.
 
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uju32 said:
Demonreach can apparently imprison Mab and Mab-tier entities.
It can certainly imprison us.
At least, as we are now.

It was designed to be Occult Supermax. And it does its job very, very well.
There's more than nine thousand inmates in the high security wing.
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oh oh no no no there was no debate to that my wondering was if it would move to imprison us immediately as its not immediately hostile to mab. Also we're still a mortal who can project power outside the island and are probably resistant to many of the corruptive influences of demonreach holding all the shit it does.

Also reading the wiki merlin put a failsafe called banefire which could kill ALL(presumably at least) the things imprisoned in it which begs the question why don't they do that first. Obviously many possible answers some being banefire is one use and having as many things in there at once means it can be used for max effectiveness, another is a lot of the beings in it have fundamental roles in reality which killing would fuck us over more than it would help which tracks with dresden files, another is some dark nefarious reason though I doubt it I'd like to trust the original merlin though it always probably has the potential for dark nefarious things, another is a mix of a few reasons or even something that is none of the above. Any ideas?
also goes to show how bullshit merlin was since it took fuck off time and ward magic to make demonreach and it has the ability to murder a loooooot of dark gods and mab tier entities and those below.
 
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uju32 said:
1)Yes, that.

2) It was a job, not a domain.
The power was not in the office, or a mantle associated with the office, it was in the Dragon.
Thats why we're interested in the corpse and the hoard.

4)Because you only get plot-protection for crafted items by buying them with XP.
Otherwise you can lose them, or forget them, or more. We dont lose charms, or forget to bring them with us, and they are applicable to a lot more use cases.

Each has its place.

5)But he didnt die.

In Small Favor, Michael took a full magazine of 7.62mm Kalashnikov fire at less than 10 feet away, while dangling from a helicopter harness over Lake Michigan at night, and he still lived to retire. The bullets didnt kill him, he didnt fall into the lake and drown or bleed to death before getting to a hospital.

He didnt die.

Do you realize precisely how much bullshit goes into that? At that range that caliber will go through ESAPI plates, even.
There is no mundane armor that will protect you from that type of fire at that sort of range.
Forget it. Noone designs for that sort of use case.

And if you make magic armor, the Denarians will make magic bullets.
Or pass out more antimateriel rifles and RPGs, because they are cheaper.

7)And Im saying thats not how magic seems to work in the Dresdenverse.
Mab doesnt get to scry everywhere its cold, or everywhere its winter.

Lol.

Probably. But it packs enough supernatural clout that I dont think it makes a difference in our ability to social it.

What you should be asking is whether White Court Vampires and the half-vampire members of the Fellowship of St Giles count as creatures of darkness. Because the 1 dot charm Mercy in Servitude allows us to remove their vulnerability to their inner Hunger, while allowing them to keep their superpowers.
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a lot of whitecourt while they revel in what they are many also hate it and many hate their father. Big daddys a dick a real real dick good thing hes crippled he could pull some more nasty shit if he wasn't. purposely doesn't tell younger members what they are so they don't develop the chance of falling in love before they activate the hunger which will almost definitely kill their lover in the process. even those who revel in being what they are if they revel too much they turn to nothing less than beasts and those who don't often HATE losing control and HAAAAATE the monster within. It'd be neat to coopt white court via just offering a nice way out.
 
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  • [X] Continue the account of the day for one or more of your siblings
    -[X] Which ones and how: Daniel, Mathew and Leech.
    [X] Talk to Charity about what you just learned of her history
    [X] Talk to Charity about what you just learned of her history
    -[X] Be open: "I guessed the surface of the reasons for your reactions to me doing magic and..." *gesture to self* "all this, and I asked dad about it. He told me a how he met you, from his perspective. It was really bad and I'm glad you're ok now and... thank you. For everything. For protecting me, for being my mom." *smiles, trying not to tear up* "You breaking down those doors with a warhammer is the most badass thing I've ever seen. I love you". *gib hug*
    [X] Continue the account of the day for one or more of your siblings
    -[X] Which ones and how: Daniel, Mathew and Leech.
    -[X] How: Talking about storylines in Bleach that have no actual basis in reality. With a firm focus on just how dangerous the Anime lifestyle is without plot armor.
    [X] Continue the account of the day for one or more of your siblings
    -[X] Which ones and how: Daniel, Mathew and Leech.
    -[X]Stunt: Charity's gaze makes you abruptly aware of how many times you've bled on your dress today. Fleeing Excusing yourself to the bathroom, you shed your armor and dress in favor of a shower and a change of clothes. A detour to the kitchen nets you a plate of leftovers, and you make your triumphant reentry to the other livingroom for your weekend ritual of Japanese anime with your siblings. With the volume up as cover, you begin to talk in lower tones.
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    9th of July 2006 A.D.

    Your mother insists on disinfecting all the bullet wounds even though you tell her that you can't get an infection. So OK, 'can't' might be a bit of an overstatement. An infection would not inconvenience you in any material way. The way Usum puts it you are still human enough to suffer all the ailments of mankind only where others might suffer lasting harm the power within you rejects any disharmony of the flesh. Sadly 'the demon in my head said I'll be fine' is not liable to calm your mother any so you have to sit still while she works. At least the various first aid stuff doesn't sting anymore.

    Now the rapid fire questions about what you did and where you went and especially the implication that Harry Dresden was somehow putting you in danger by 'dragging you into the business of the White Council' that is annoying. If you did not know her history with magic you might have snapped back that you were more likely the one endangering him.

    "Mom I didn't promise to help because I want to show off or because I want to hang out, I promised because I can help in a way no one else can. It is the same reason dad wears white to work."

    She just sort of stops, hand and gauze a few inches from your skin then sighs and doesn't say anything more, as close to a victory as you are likely to get tonight

    ***​

    Once all in the house are sleeping, half past eleven by the flickering numbers on your phone you do something you haven't done in months now, you call a meeting of your own. A light in your window is easily seen by Daniel and a light in his by Leech and Matthew, when you were younger you used to call it the bat signal. Daniel had coined the term back when you were still reading vampire books under the covers. You don't call it that anymore... but it still works.

    You all meet up in Leech's room, it being the farthest from your parents' bedroom, though it is also small enough that only two can fit on the bed and one other person in the desk chair. That is OK though among your many gifts you find the ability yo sit in a lotus position on the floor comfortably. It feels strangely familiar, like something that had once been as natural as breathing, forgotten for a brief time.

    "OK, spill the beans what's been going on?" Daniel asks before Matthew can get a word in edgewise. "You got kidnapped by those things and it gave you superpowers? That means you have to go out with dad now?"

    "Queen Mab...." seeing the confusion on everyone's faces you kick yourself mentally. Of course they would not know the name, you hadn't. "Think Snow Queen crossed with the Wicked Witch of the West sans melting. Anyway she holds a lot of prisoners, some are human, some are fey like her and some are stranger things, like this..." you pass your hand over your forehead letting the mark glow with uncanny light. "Think of it like..." The first thing that comes to mind if Venom's symbiote which is not likely to be comforting. "Iron Man's suit but magic but for your soul, it can do a lot of stuff and I am still learning what all the buttons do and it will grow alongside me. I don't have to go out with dad, but he could use the help you know and I can help."

    "What can you do?" Leech asks, ever the practical one.

    "Well this..." With a flourish you draw your sword from your heart, brass gleaming in the light of phone lanterns, adding the eerie green glow of the pummel to theirs. "I'm really good at fighting with it and I can sheathe it in..." all consuming balefire. "Flame. I'm also harder to lock up, I can shut down mind control, I work better in the cold and I am really hard to keep imprisoned. This is all stuff I wanted to get out of..." you almost say something like 'the faerie world', but really it's not like the proper name is going to hurt them. "The Nevernever."

    "That name is so terrible in its vagueness that only a mortal sorcerer could have conceived of it," Usum gripes.

    "Oh and I can summon any tool I want to make stuff," you finish.

    "Any tool?" Leech asks wide eyed. "Like industrial lasers, electrical forges, microchip fabs with a clean room?"

    "Yeah I think so and they always come out as something personal scale, something I can use alone in good time."

    "That is so broken..."

    Mathew had enough of all of this. He rolls his eyes. "Who cares if she can make her own anvil and tongs for smithing, that's a utility power. Tell us about the fight."

    Leetch looks speechless... but not for long. "Who cares? Some of us have a working imagination you know. She could make synthetic diamonds, sapphires emeralds, she could make gold from lead as long as her power will also conjure up radiation shielding. Like you can do that in a lab with radioactive decay. That isn't 'a utility power', this isn't a video game!" Her voice rises so much on the last words Daniel has to shush her.

    You politely do not mention that she had called the power 'broken' just a moment ago.

    "Well you are not going to help protect the world or help dad with money," Matthew points out, looking smug when Daniel nods along.

    "The bad guys, the ones who work for the Devil they have goons right?" your little sister asks.

    "They do," you agree, with a fair guess where this is going.

    "So if you had enough money you could hire your own goons to help fight them," she proclaims triumphantly.

    "If God wanted more people in the fight he would inspire them to join," Daniel points out.

    Leech scoffs. "And if God wanted the world to be a better place He could just inspire more people to be better right? Guess we don't have to do anything."

    "Guys, time out," you raise your hands. "Let's no fight over theology just yet. We should wait until at least one of us goes to seminary OK?"

    "That'll be me or Daniel then," Mathew points out with a laugh. "Unless one of your girls wants to convert to a denomination that takes women priests."

    "Nope, Computer Science or bust for me," Leech says, in better spirits.

    And that is when Usum decides to chine in with. "A cult would be an excellent way to supplement the harvesting of essence as well as gain willing hands for your plans gracious princess." Thankfully you have been getting used to these little 'revelations' and don't show it in your face
    Afterwards you get down to finally describing the fight, though not anything about the investigation afterwards. "... turns out there is no plot armor in real life and bullets hurt. Good reason to parry them that."

    "Hear the wise words of Margret-sensei," Matthew says at his most dorky.

    Wait, sensei isn't that...? "I'm not teaching you anything!"

    "How come?" he asks, a definite undertone of whining to his voice.

    'Because you'll die,' you are about to answer, with a helping of 'you're a normal thirteen year old kid.' which of course is when Usum interjects out again. "There are principles and conveyances of the Wicked City that allow a mortal to reach their utmost potential and with the aid of a spirit of that realm mayhap even beyond it. While no where near the blazing pinnacle of your might they would be of some use."

    What do you reply to Matthew's request for teaching?

    [] Refuse that's crazy, yes even then Usum

    [] Maybe you could do something for him eventually

    [] Write in

    OOC: Hope you guys enjoyed the family time.
     
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