Green Flame Rising (Exalted vs Dresden Files)

Citation needed.
Im looking at it now and what I find appears to say the opposite.


None of these are combat-time shit.


No they arent.
Similar but different. Holden didnt simply just change the names.
Im not a fan of the Holden system for a reason.


I have provided the rules as stated. From the front page, even.
They do not appear to agree with you.
That rule section that you highlighted specifically talks about the attacking using mind hand manipulation not General actions performed using using mind hand. It is the first thing under the gadget section by the way
Gadget Types
Gadgets come in three varieties: Trinkets, Inventions, and Apparatuses. These each have different qualities.
Trinket: A Trinket is a single-use Gadget, generally constructed shortly in advance of
anticipating a need for it or even on-the-spot with the assistance of Charms such as Craftsman
Needs No Tools
. Trinkets are things like improvised firebombs or hyper-efficient acids whipped
up with Science, flashlights modified to shoot a death ray precisely once and then totally burn
out beyond any hope of repair with Technology, or an algorithm coded into your car's GPS with
Computer that leads you to the nearest thin spot in the Gauntlet (and then burns the GPS out).

Invention: Inventions are conventional objects which share the qualities of other objects. Most
Gadgets are Inventions. This is the domain of Death Car, the car made out of an old Studebaker
and fifteen lawnmowers. It's the province of the Werefucker 5000, a portable spud gun or t-shirt
cannon that fires entire cases of silver cutlery in a shotgun-like shrapnel blast. Here can be found
the Slinky Tazer, which cannot be parried; the Hand Which Commands Flame, combining a
welding torch and an old Nintendo Power Glove; and the Umbrellacopter, which can whisk its
inventor from street to rooftop in a pinch.

Apparatus: An Apparatus is a Gadget designed to do something not really possible with
conventional technology, or at least not conventionally available technology, or which functions much better than existing technology; jetpacks currently exist, but they're extremely limited and suck in many ways. Gadget jetpacks don't suck. An Apparatus can be anything from a plasma
cannon to a hypnotic jukebox to an actual no-shit time machine.
Also that reading of charm language in that manner is really really not good. That sentence that you highlighted interpreted in that manner that you are using it means that you can't use mind hand manipulation to do anything but attack because it doesn't mention performance, intimidation or any other ability that you can definitely still do while having mind hand manipulation up.
 
Arc 11 Post 75: Fear and Loathing
Fear and Loathing

13th of January 2007 A.D.

As you sail though the air a words flow though your mind, a verse from some ling forgotten poem:

The spark of creation sets the fires of ruin
As the sundering chaos is creation's sin


No sooner had you landed on the other side that you push: tools from the air, tendrils unseen to rip from chaos-to-be-order. From the outside it must have looked like some mad melange of a explosion in an industrial parts factory and the fingers of an fingers of an alien giant reaching in to briefly touch this reality. Each grenade is thus neatly sliced just below the firing pin, then pitted like a cherry. Snapping together in front of you they are transmuted into something like an alien useless box formed; a switch that did nothing but flip itself off formed from firing pins, would be shrapnel, and strips of casing.

Lost 2 Essence and 1 Willpower -> Now at 9/15 Essence and 8/9 Willpower (MHM Crafting Excellency and TTC)

"No!" the word snaps out without thought, more like you are disciplining a dog than a would be mass murderer.

"Forzare!" Harry's blast of force that moments before would have swept up most of the grenades now still has the power to push a befuddled Jaida off her feet and pin her against the wall by the door.

Silk watches in wide eyed shock that turns to horror when the server who had pushed the cake in front of you pulls out a handgun and shouts: "Die, leech's whore!"

It's not a burst of gunfire that follows but instead a clang of flying plates as Lydia pulls the trolley up like a Roman shield then flings it at the guy, pinning him under the wheels and knocking the gun from his hands.

"What the fuck, Larry!" Silk shouts. Something silver glitters in her hand, like a treasure seen under deep water flashes in her hand, half formed magic like a heady scent upon the air still mercifully unrealized. The last handful of guests are panicking, running for the front doors, they had not seen or maybe had not registered the grenades, but the gun was obvious enough, one drops what looks like black gym bag in his haste...

Deliberate. The eyes all around, your eyes see at once the material and though the material, there is more explosive in that bag than in all six of those grenades put together. It sparks and sputters, some kind of half-baked chemical reaction that scorches the velvet underfoot and strips the knee of one statue bare of faux gold.

"It's coming! It's coming!" Larry laughts maniacally and in that moment you hear the least welcome sound you could have, the fire alarm going off in the corridor behind where Lash and Harry are still standing.

If it had not been for the fight the people there would likely have already made it out and to safety, as is there are maybe eight more people there including the arguing couple, far from the mass casualty event Sandra might have planned for but still eight people too many.

What do you do?

[] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healig)

[] Try to break the sprinklers or the pipes leading to them before any of the VX and be spread (Perception+Technology roll to figure out what to tear up in time)

[] Write


OOC: A bit of a short update, but such is combat.
 
The other option doesn't seem feasible or likely to succeed, IMO.

[X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healing)
 
[X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healing)

So, no big deal here, let's not spend more Essence.
 
Just a reminder the craft Excellency is still up for three more turns so we could just Weld and add caps to pretty much all of the sprinklers and the pipes in this place using tool Transcendent constructs and mind him manipulation to pinch the pipes closed and then weld them.

[X] Seal the Pipes
-[X] Try to seal the sprinklers or the pipes leading to them before any of the VX and be spread (Perception+Technology roll to figure out what to seal up in time)
-[X] Spend Willpower on Technology roll.
--[X] Stunt: One after another millisecond by millisecond the pipes caressed by auras of Emerald light leading to the sprinklers taper to a near Phillip heads screwdriver flat right before they reach the sprinklers.

Rationale we already have our crafting Excellency up we already have mind hand manipulation up we use technology to figure out which ones need to go then we very carefully without spilling anything or yanking people through walls or anything like that just pinch the pipes shut. There's no amount of water pressure there is steam pressure that could get that high but no water pressure that would allow it to push through flattened either copper or steel depending on the specific make of this sprinkler system.
 
She would have mind blasted him, this was a reaction to betrayal.
Less of an offense than most brain fuckery, honestly, but still not a great thing to have ingrained into oneself as being a perfectly natural thing to do. Its the part where you make a human brain into a solvable equation that you can freely rewrite the variables on that is the really dangerous part.

Mind blasting someone to the point there isn't a person there afterward should probably count under the first rule rather than the third, though that would still cost you your neck. Harry would not like being a hypocrite but it would put him in one hell of a spot.
 
Less of an offense than most brain fuckery, honestly, but still not a great thing to have ingrained into oneself as being a perfectly natural thing to do. Its the part where you make a human brain into a solvable equation that you can freely rewrite the variables on that is the really dangerous part.

Mind blasting someone to the point there isn't a person there afterward should probably count under the first rule rather than the third, though that would still cost you your neck. Harry would not like being a hypocrite but it would put him in one hell of a spot.

Her mind blast just generally scrambles people's brains as it knocks them out, it is not strong enough to inflict ego-death in one go.
 
Her mind blast just generally scrambles people's brains as it knocks them out, it is not strong enough to inflict ego-death in one go.
Barely an issue then. There are Wardens that would use it as an excuse to take off your head but, unless there is lingering brain damage, that is less than the concussion you get if someone successfully punches you out while also being a great deal safer. I'm glad we weren't as close to an uncomfortable position as I thought we might be.

Its the sort of thing that would have Harry ask if the guy was going to be okay, get a response, and then shrug. Clearly the guy slipped on some of the mess lying around and banged his head.
 
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For now:
[X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healing)
 
Barely an issue then. There are Wardens that would use it as an excuse to take off your head but, unless there is lingering brain damage, that is less than the concussion you get if someone successfully punches you out while also being a great deal safer. I'm glad we weren't as close to an uncomfortable position as I thought we might be.

Its the sort of thing that would have Harry ask if the guy was going to be okay, get a response, and then shrug. Clearly the guy slipped on some of the mess lying around and banged his head.

She doesn't know that. What if Dresden were one of those letter of the law Wardens? Better safe than dead.
 
Honestly, the gas exposure is an easy justification for nearly any kind of weirdness going on.

Well, not absolutely anything, but people are not going to be surprised about hallucinations or oddly surreal memories after exposure to some kind of terrorist attack involving poison gas.
 
She doesn't know that. What if Dresden were one of those letter of the law Wardens? Better safe than dead.
My relief is in regard to our not needing to dodge a bullet. We've had enough close calls already.
...people are not going to be surprised about hallucinations or oddly surreal memories after exposure to some kind of terrorist attack involving poison gas.
Not that I want to imagine what the hell happens to national media a few hours after a semi-successful attack in the middle of America's guilty pleasure. The shadowy side of the government is going to have a hard time herding that many cats and there would be reactions in terms of both national policy and the economic field.

The nation historically hasn't coped with such things well.
 
Are we absolutely sure that that Silk was just an arbitrary selection of victim for Sandra's sacrifice/distraction?

Cause a suicide bomber, surprise gunman, duffel bag bomb, and VX are a lot for a randomly chosen victim.
 
Are we absolutely sure that that Silk was just an arbitrary selection of victim for Sandra's sacrifice/distraction?

Cause a suicide bomber, surprise gunman, duffel bag bomb, and VX are a lot for a randomly chosen victim.

All of them had the potential for mass casualties mind you, but yet this looks like a lot of contingencies

Molly was in a bathtub of bleach though.

She'd have to dress new anyway.

Fair enough, they did get to sleep more comfortably, though in the makeup since there is no way Tiffany could do that as fast.
 
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You are yes, no reason to take them off now that you have them. Everyone was a bit uncomfortable sleeping in them, well beside Molly that is who does not sleep, but as it turns out being able to rush out at the first sign of trouble was the important thing.
Not worried about the healing thing then. All kinds of explanations here and we don't have to explain ourselves if we dip. Not to mention the FBI branch should be covering up things after the fact and they have the perfect excuse.

[X] Pull everyone out telekinetically, Tiffany can heal them if they have been exposed (Automatic success; some people will be exposed; you will have to explain the magical healing)
 
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